HMm that one depends loh.. Very  difficult to diagnose..
Hmmm if not like that is it Nissan Cube?
No that time ur balls wasnt big.. Its just that ur adrenalin too much.. And u dont know how a good car handles like..
Erm since lChristmas got ady..
Damn sad sia..
RM10-20.. Not more than that..

Just now went to see see the Kia Optima K5.. Honestly fell in love with the car instantly.. Did not even have this feeling when i was viewing the Hyundai Sonata..
Insulation and door solidness feels a tad bit under insulated compared to other cars in its class.. But the interior dash design is one of the best I have ever seen.. Solid built quality.. Smooth sliders.. Beautiful instrument panels and best and most comfortable seats in its class (but not as comfy as Ford Mondeo Ecoboost)..

Engine sounds a bit rough though during idling.. Didnt get to test drive the car yet.. Those 18" are a stunner.. Headlamps were design to kill and a DRL that has no match..

Seriously if I had 143k I would only consider that car if the engine turns out to be ok and not unpowered..

Korean cars are good on the outside and inside... But not really on the real "INSIDE"... But it is good thing that they trying to attract people by good looking both exterior and interior, and with good pricing.

Just that their engine, although globalized engine... Still somehow lacking...

Not really lacking if u consider the Forte's engine..

really that good?

No mah. Last time I went was with Myvi. Best handling car of the lot, I would say the E36. Jangan tengok old car, handles superbly. Better than PE.

Korean cars are good on the outside and inside... But not really on the real "INSIDE"... But it is good thing that they trying to attract people by good looking both exterior and interior, and with good pricing.

Just that their engine, although globalized engine... Still somehow lacking...

Yes.. From the outlooks.. The built quality of the cabin and the well thought of designs.. I seriously like the car.. Normally a lot of cars feels very good with a lot of amenities in there, but one thing those engineers forgets to do is create a ppl's car.. They forget to sit in the car and think of the car in a passenger perspective.. Of what is needed and not needed.. Where is the suitable location of something like a cup holder etc..
E36 engine sound very the sweet.. Sounds gruntly and powerful.. But its an ugly car..
Hmm about that I think u need to take a step back and see the back picture..

When Mitsubishi lauched their new 4B11 engine.. They mentioned something that it was a global engine co designed with multiple companies.. First I didnt get it..
But now when u take a step back and look at all their new engines.. Every car ranging from Honda K20A, Mitsu 4B11, Hyundai and Kia Theta II, and several others, u cant help but notice that their block is largely the same. Bore and stroke are 86mm, creating a square engine balance for torque and HP creation..

Furthermore most of the extra technology employed are just valve lift and valve timing difference.. Basically all engines are almost the same except for the valvetrain employed by different companies. Honda K20A engines have a torque dip between the 3k-5.7k range b4 the Vtec opens up after that.. However for 4B11 engines the torque dip isnt there, however there is a slight drop in torque between 3-5k RPM as compared to torque at 3K RPM.. So on paper if the Lancer wasnt using a CVT Invecs-III gearbox and used a torque converter based trans, coupled with a lighter body, a Lancer GT most likely will outrun a FD2 in real life.

Now comes in the Kimchis.. Their engine despite having the same block and characteristics of the Sushis, are able to produce 10 more hp and the torque for the Kimchis and Mitsu are on par with each other, with Honda lagging behind.. and the kimchi engine actually pulls better than sushis cos the torque band does not dip after 3k rpm, but it continues upwards to almost full torque at 3.5k-5k RPM.. Pulling power if u are accelerating will definitely be more better than the other car..

So i believe on paper wise if the Kia and HyunaHyundai are having the same kerb weight as those sushi cars, then i believe we got some serious competition coming up soon..

Well, what I want to say is... On paper is on paper... Go try one in real, I will just take your PE vs Forte 1.6, and I will take my own same FD2 vs Forte 2.0... You'll see 

And K20A engine is the real i-VTEC that is found in type R, with 3 cam lobes in both intake and exhaust. In ordinary FD2, we have K20Z2 instead, where we have only 2 cam lobes on intake that switch over from 12 valve to 16 valve operation instead of high cam like K20A. It's completely different i-VTEC mechanism, the only same thing is both have VTC on the intake side. And to get the fact correct, even the K20A isn't like that B series engine from before, the VTC implemented on the intake side negated the torque dip.

And as for 4B11, the MIVEC within is dual side CVVT, same to Altis Dual-VVTI... Both has high torque, but in real... Did the 200NM++ Altis outrun the lower 199Nm 4B11? No... You pretty much will find that on the high revs the Toyota engine ever ever you found it is empty and pointless.

I can almost assure you, any kimchi's you pick... The engine is just on paper figure... Honda may always have lowest torque figure, but it act's opposite... Even paultan has much test drive comparing these.

Just checked, as for Toyota Altis 2.0V their peak torque is 188Nm@3600rpm.. Lower than a 4B11..

But doesnt comparing PE vs Forte 1.6 considering suicide? PE 4 speed vs Forte 6 speed gearbox, Forte has higher torque and HP too.. Eventhough a lot of ppl do say that the Forte 1.6 is underpowered, but that doesnt means it will lose to all 1.6 class vehicles..

As for K20A engines (http://asia.vtec.net/article/k20a/), yeah my bad.. I was comparing a K20A dyno run with the kimchis instead of a K20Z2 dyno run.. Now let me dig out a K20Z2 dyno run map first...

Well I do get your point... But really, on paper is on paper... I don't mind to put my bet on the 4AT PE against 6AT forte, 1.6 to 1.6... I pretty sure I did this test before...

A slightly modded (Basic Intake/Exhaust) PE is able to keep up with the 6AT 2.0 Forte too...

31st Dec 2011 6.44pm exit sungai besi toll reached JB Taman Molek at 9.35pm.
all the way drove 120-155kmh. after Nilai met a f*cuk uncle drive nissan MPV but not elgrand or livina... weird model.
i was driving 140++ at fast lane, then he suddenly just move to fast lane without signal and accelerate. just drive his own
mutta fakar way... straight away flash him high light and show middle finger to him...then this fakar jam brake and cari pasal to me... kns.. terus cut back to his front and give him back jam brake! then i see uncle get mad and keep tiong my butt... all the way drive after Xiao Eng Yuen he turn to KLIA junction...memang kns!!
beside this, tat tank i pumped 80% esso and 20% shell, when i drive 100km/h constantly, FC is 5.7L/100km.
when i drive 140km/h constantly, FC is 6.4L/100km... found after decat FC drop 1L++ compare to last time.
So, when go to JB time, i drive more aggressive so RM60.10 only last 374km.

at the same night, 1.45am i enter the JB toll back to KL. reach sungai besi toll at 4.04am.
drive all the way constant 120-140kmh...seldom slow down and accelerate back. on the way back saw 3 road blocks at nilai to seremban direction. crazy bolis set their road block by the bolis car... just to catch motorcyclists. and this 3 road blocks is with 2km only...@@
that tank of RM66.09 100% shell 95 can last 494km.with 100% shell, drive 140kmh FC is 7.6L/100km.

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Added on January 3, 2012, 4:47 pm
he go there kena F! tauke poison and change wegow 4-2-1 extrator and 2 midboxs!!
i'm the one only buang kuching and smell kencing at rear!!

She's looking for some rear-end fun ma..

Or probably a shemale in need of ur black hole

U sure u didnt see wrongly?

Aiya, nowdays Myvi driver think their car is Racer car, speed like mad, not afraid of turtle.

150km/h cornering, lady sumore Maybe she sakit perut.. wanna rush to toilet

The lady pregnant la.....fnf to get to hospital....follow PE advert style...hehe....arghhhh 20mins more starting work....sienzz

Yes.. From the outlooks.. The built quality of the cabin and the well thought of designs.. I seriously like the car.. Normally a lot of cars feels very good with a lot of amenities in there, but one thing those engineers forgets to do is create a ppl's car.. They forget to sit in the car and think of the car in a passenger perspective.. Of what is needed and not needed.. Where is the suitable location of something like a cup holder etc..
E36 engine sound very the sweet.. Sounds gruntly and powerful.. But its an ugly car..
Hmm about that I think u need to take a step back and see the back picture..

When Mitsubishi lauched their new 4B11 engine.. They mentioned something that it was a global engine co designed with multiple companies.. First I didnt get it..
But now when u take a step back and look at all their new engines.. Every car ranging from Honda K20A, Mitsu 4B11, Hyundai and Kia Theta II, and several others, u cant help but notice that their block is largely the same. Bore and stroke are 86mm, creating a square engine balance for torque and HP creation..

Furthermore most of the extra technology employed are just valve lift and valve timing difference.. Basically all engines are almost the same except for the valvetrain employed by different companies. Honda K20A engines have a torque dip between the 3k-5.7k range b4 the iVtec opens up after that.. However for 4B11 engines the torque dip isnt there, however there is a slight drop in torque between 3-5k RPM as compared to torque at 3K RPM.. So on paper if the Lancer wasnt using a CVT Invecs-III gearbox and used a torque converter based trans, coupled with a lighter body, a Lancer GT most likely will outrun a FD2 in real life.

Now comes in the Kimchis.. Their engine despite having the same block and characteristics of the Sushis, are able to produce 10 more hp and the torque for the Kimchis and Mitsu are on par with each other, with Honda lagging behind.. and the kimchi engine actually pulls better than sushis cos the torque band does not dip after 3k rpm, but it continues upwards to almost full torque at 3.5k-5k RPM.. Pulling power if u are accelerating will definitely be more better than the other car..

So i believe on paper wise if the Kia and HyunaHyundai are having the same kerb weight as those sushi cars, then i believe we got some serious competition coming up soon..

Well I do get your point... But really, on paper is on paper... I don't mind to put my bet on the 4AT PE against 6AT forte, 1.6 to 1.6... I pretty sure I did this test before...

Eh.. My slightly better than yours
I travel 350km and I just pump RM 56 esso..
Travel all the way 160km/h at highway..
But I saw one automatic speedtrap at bangi bridge.
Just gam gam go into 90km/h got speedtrap there
Nope. Confirm is a lady..
She tailgate me since cyberjaya tol until kuchai lama exit
I drive turtle.. only ONCE I hantam 150km/h
Chun wei.. even got one turtle LPLB tailgate me also don't dare do fast conner
Mine is not PE 

How u know? She got flash at u meh? Now cannot believe everything u see le leh. Look like real, feels like real, but it's not real. Sounds familiar?

Sounds like Chua CD. 

Maybe those who drive kimchi didn't really F&F yet... Coz many Kimchi has good power, like the Sorento can really eat a lot of car

No mah. Last time I went was with Myvi. Best handling car of the lot, I would say the E36. Jangan tengok old car, handles superbly. Better than PE.

BMW E36 right?

Yeap.. Miss that car lo..