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post Dec 9 2011, 04:24 PM

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se7en in the news

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...s-alarm-online/

http://my.news.yahoo.com/proposed-law-to-r...-064638994.html

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post Dec 9 2011, 04:50 PM

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New law puts noose around computer techies

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post Dec 9 2011, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(chanti-sama @ Dec 9 2011, 05:29 PM)
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KILL KILL KILL~~~~
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Thanks. Added this in my LYN & FB avatar.

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Spread the word, Get more Likes!
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post Dec 9 2011, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(rosamundwo @ Dec 9 2011, 07:13 PM)
how much to register? RM1k

Anyone read this?

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 8 — Malaysia is among several fast-growing economies that are about to lose funds from the European Union (EU) from 2014, the Financial Times (FT) reported today.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ging-economies/
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RM1K? Where is it listed?
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(mindspring @ Dec 9 2011, 09:07 PM)
not entirely true. a flawed system is fatal especially in automotive, aviation, medicine, military, and those rocket science.
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A fellow member also mentioned this earlier in post #182 as follows bolded for easy reference:

QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM)
My reasons for opposing are this:
1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body.

2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others.

3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.?
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:50 PM

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Repost from the Malaysia Against the Bill Facebook Page

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Youtube - Hitler Angry towards Malaysian Computing Bill 2011





Source from Grey Review
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post Dec 10 2011, 12:14 AM

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Someone caturday-ized the following.

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post Dec 13 2011, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(d4rkholeang3l @ Dec 13 2011, 02:04 AM)
is android dev subjected to dis law too?
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Anyone that make use of IT.
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post Dec 13 2011, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(M30W @ Dec 13 2011, 01:50 PM)
GUYS~ view source of http://mosti.gov.my/ ... Damn nice~~


Added on December 13, 2011, 1:51 pmGUYS~ view source of http://mosti.gov.my/ ... Damn nice~~
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Can't go into the website...bandwidth full?

or some is doing "something" to it?

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post Dec 13 2011, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(M30W @ Dec 13 2011, 02:12 PM)
u right click it.. view page source... then u will know how well did the "web-developer"
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Can you access the website? You can't view source unless the website is loaded.

Try and see what happens.

Suspected someone is doing something to it. DDOS?
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post Dec 13 2011, 03:40 PM

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Try www.mosti.gov.my with the www.

The side is accessible.
Nothing special with the code.
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post Dec 13 2011, 07:22 PM

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The CBP 2011 Open Day 1st hour discussion video ~50 minutes


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post Dec 13 2011, 09:08 PM

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IT Bill may be dumped, says MOSTI Yahoo News

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post Dec 15 2011, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 15 2011, 07:45 AM)
Computing Bill: Big businesses vs practitioners
The federal government today admitted that it facilitated the Computing Professionals Bill 2011 at the behest of multinational companies and industry leaders
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Why we are not surprised at all?

Dear <certain famous MNCs>, your founder also dropped out of college/uni & started you from his basement....no certification whatsoever.
Have you forgotten yo?

Why do you have to make things ALSO difficult for us who are smaller than you?


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post Dec 15 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(sfx3000 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:00 AM)
Yea.... I find it ironic so many people use Microsoft and Apple as their rolemodel example against #CPB2011
Turns out these are the ones lobbying for the bill under PIKOM, and also at the same time, they probably promised our govt wide powers under ambigous CNII.
Then you have Tan Sri Vincent tan's IT arm under MOL ganesh on the council too..

And eGenting.... notorious gambling/casino legal Kongsi Gelap organisation exploiting IT grads for immoral business.

http://www.pikom.org.my/cms/General.asp?wh...=22716&CatID=60
My my my, no wonder Academic circle also support the BILL.
Academic circle in Malaysia is one of MS's STRONGEST base because they are heavily influenced and buy edu version of MS products on huge discounts.
They're the easiest to be manipulated by these corporations and hence at the MOSTI panel, software patents are one of the objectives to be introduced in the industry. They even said if you are certified by MS/Oracle, you don't need to worry about the bill.
Like this, these MNCs can crush SME and small/competitive vendors that rely on OSS solutions/tools.
Clearly a CARTEL in the making, sleeping with the government, offering them more control over rights of dissent use of IT.
NWO New World Order in the making. *lmao*
http://www.opensource.org/statements/CPTN
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/12/cp...s_from_germany/
http://techrights.org/2011/01/11/cartels-and-escapes/
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Well put!

The academic circle are mostly concerned with producing students to fulfill the trend of the big boys, so that the students have jobs to work along the same big boys who controls the market.

It's all about business now, education is about what we want you to know and follow, not we want you to think for yourself & think out of the box.

In 2 words, modern slavery. Subtly done until many people doesn't realised it at all or won't believe it is real.

Singapore is already a NWO playground, Malaysia is showing more signs of getting there soon.
Unless we realised it early and stop it fast.

The show up at the MOSTI open day is a good start for all IT people.
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post Dec 19 2011, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(yitjuan @ Dec 18 2011, 03:10 PM)
would you trust a non graduate to design your house? Cert doesn't mean anything, right. So get a non civil engineer to design and build your house. Put your money where your words are.
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Again, to answer the concern regrading a Doctor/Lawyer/Architect VS. an IT person i.e. web designer, graphic designer, programmer, etc

I bring back post #182 by 1 of our member, highlighting the address in bold as follows:

QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM)
My reasons for opposing are this:
1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body.

2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others.

3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.?
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To add on the above statement, we can Learn, Practice, Apply IT on OUR OWN, design our own blogs, repair our own PC, write our own macros, design a flash animation, create & produce a video, do SEO for our website, create a software....START A FORUM like lyn...etc.

Even without any formal training.

But for the case of Medicine, Architectural, Engineering, Law, - We can't learn & practice on our own because we need certain equipments & we need to get the input from the government, banking, other people etc.

So we can't compare apple & oranges.

Whoever drafted the bill COPIED + PASTED + MODIFIED 10% the template used in the drafting the Medicine, Architectural, Engineering, Law & trying to apply it onto the IT industry, without understanding the differences of the IT industry as compared to the other industry.

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post Dec 19 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(jasonkidd91 @ Dec 19 2011, 09:05 AM)
Hi guys,
can sum1 tell me whether this rules apply already ? if not, when will it execute?
or this is juz their pending idea ?

appreciate for your precious reply =)
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In my understanding, it is a draft therefore it is pending approval.

The bill will be presented to the Parliment to get it approved by the 2/3 majority of the MPs.

(Kindly correct me if the above statement is incorrect, Thanks.)

What the horde of IT people had done in the MOSTI Open Day is to let the ones who are behind the bill know that We think this draft is a bad idea...because <the reasons>......but those people do not understand....

But the effect is that they may drop the bill if the IT industry can come out with certain standard to ensure good practice.

I am aware that there are IT people who are in the midst of discussing on how to come up with the right standard for IT.
These people are the the ones who uses IT in everyday lives, who are in touch with the reality of the IT world.

You can do a post search in this thread on the news that were posted in the earlier pages.

That's what I did to ensure i don't post something that has been already been addressed earlier in the previous posts of this thread. Cheers!

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