u can expose her to piano/guitar etc first.. ..that will teach them about Beats per minute(BPM) .... how fast they should play etc .. that way they can implement the knowledge into mixing ..  later in life ..
but to explain mixing etc.. it's harder cuz .. she&you  need to know how to count the bars, identify the bars , a bit of physical maneuvers ..and must be able to join two songs together ...

about the turntables.. there is this entry level t urntables for beginners .. Numark DJ Battle PAK ... it cost about 1.8K .. everything provided .. 2x turntables .. mixer .. headphones.... speaker sendiri supply la ..
erm .. if u are really interested, let me know and i can arrange something for you at SMX, Berjaya Times Square .. they are numark dealer ..

hoh! caught talking behind my back while i was gone
anyway just come back today from sea survival refresher course!
penat loo berenang2 ke tepian...

I read from your last session it was a great time you have there...if only i can join, maybe Choongster will not say all CDJs are that bad....give the cdjs some chances:P

kingz...
i also agree to send your daughter to learn some piano..
cause i believe that piano is the fundemental common instrument.
later on when she is old enough to lean what she wants its up to her.
you know with piano, it would be easy to do producing, arrangements n etc. cause most midi-controller would be in a keyboard like form. also by learning piano, you can learn other insturments easier.

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Added on May 14, 2008, 1:31 pmaiyah next meeting i want to play with vinyls la...
got try before but for short while only...
and also must try the cdj-400. the beat divider like very interesting.

eh bang.. his daughter only 3 years old la .... apa "ear" she has?

yes some people do analyse keys before they mix. what you have to do is use 'mixed in key' or if you have a good theory in music and have an ear you can know what key suits what other key, i dont doubt it. people can listen to a song just for a while and can tell you that a song is in i.e d-maj and so there are 3 other keys which will suit d-maj which are d-maj itself (obviously) g-maj and a-maj. i have friends which are pro musicians which can tell right away the key of the song the moment they hear it (good music background, thats why i envy them)

you see what this harmonic mixing thing does is to add another parameter on top of bpm to your crate. so for example when you are playing a set, you're in c-minor (track on air) so you can take another song which are f-min or g-min or c-min and depending on the crowd which you will have to read, pick a song based on bpm and keys which are compatible. (of course you can skip the part if you can utilise the djm-800's color effects which does the harmonics for you) and yes i can say that there are alot of djs big names ones whom uses this technique. i cant list them down for you if you want.

Ali 'Dubfire' from Deep Dish
Pete Tong from BBC Radio 1
Hernan Cattaneo
DJ Prince
Kaskade, from Hed Kandi
Kuffdam
Blank & Jones
bla-bla-bla

MixedInKey also reports that DJ Mag has posted results of their Top 100 DJ poll, and nine of the top 20 DJs now use harmonic mixing. http://www.djmag.com/index.php?op=top_100&story=home

in my own opinion. having techniques in mixing accounts up to only 30% of your whole performance but picking the right songs or a good song selection will amount up to 70% of the performance.
i am sure you wouldn't want to hear a fantastic beatmixing dj whom plays rubbish songs aren't you? and most non-dj people dont give a nuts if you have great skills in beatmixing or not, if you realise they care more about the music that is being played. i have heard plenty of djs whom just slam songs in all night long but still get good crowd response. its because the music that dj chosed was good. 

a good dj comes prepared into a club with his library sorted out nicely. so yes they do have analyse every track. as a professional dj, people are paying you, so they have some professional ethics in them to be diciplined enough to deliver the best sets you can night after night, so if harmonic mixing improves your sets why not use it?

but the 'feel' you are saying is another consideration you have to look at on top of the ones mentioned earlier. but yes i also do agree that to a certain extend it might be difficult to incorperate harmonics mixing in to live sets mainly because the song you know that is going to rock the house is not key-compatible (this is where the djm-800 comes in handy. somebody sponsor me one!!!  )
i also agree that the feel of a song is really important into deciding on what song to play next.
also i will have explain that harmonics will not dictate your song selection but instead it only will serve as a tool to help you decide a compatible song.
but in a studio environment, harmonic mixing is a preference especially when you can preprogramme your mixes.

Mixtapes are everywhere , dont need rookies to rip off from .
Mainly for judging purposes , if its good & the genre is right , u guys might have a spot .
Cheers .

Anyway im having a gig end of june @ zouk / loft .
Do drop by , cheers

i do not have a proper mixtape, too lazy to record 1 but anyhow this is a section of my mixes on youtube. a trial mix to test my camera..
oh i was using the sony handycam dcr-sr62. good camera but no line ins...
i must find some time to record a one hour set.



for some wierd reason the video doesn't show. this is the link anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlAeDOYUijM

wow nice sounds....if that is direct from your camera.
what is the round   thing there? & so many lights! that CMX3000 is pretty

this was my bleh session in a boring noon, quality was bad sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s0e8BZ5Ylk

just to share my happiness with u guys. i had my 1st gig at republic, sunway pyramid, yesterday. it was awesome, having a few reputable local dj's to play alongside with; namely dj gabriel and dj nicky c. due to the timing contraint and sudden change of plan, my 2 sets became just one and only played for about 40+mins. nevertheless, it was a good experience and certainly a sweet first time the best thing was there is a patron, came up to me while i was playing, asked me where do i play usually & i told him it's my 1st time playing. he said he kinda liked the style. and the best question he asked is what is my name, i told him leng and he was asking what's my dj name, i have none this guy really made my day... and my groupies came up to take pics with me, so nice of them, made me feel like i'm a dj. thank goodness it went well.

now tell me what is this 'batang' you are talking about? 

aren't all songs are played in key?
is it possible to compose a song without any key?
as far as i know even kick drums of different skin tension would produce different pitch/ key.
if all songs have keys so doesn't that qualify to be matched harmonically?
in regards the genre i guess any genre would at least have a synth bass or melody or in that case any instrument which might so happen to have a key? what do you think? i might be wrong...

i believe that in any genre they would have to adhere to certain rules of music when composing is being done. and i suppose that means instruments are sequenced in such a way that chords are supposed to match within their own range. and with that you can conclude that the whole song is played in maybe d maj or something hence we would have something known as canon in d by pachabell (that is actually what the d stands for)? what do you think? this is my own opinion after all? do you disagree?

yes i do agree that different genre come with different styles of mixing. i acknowledge that. and i didn't specify prog. maybe i did but i dont recall it...
the harmonics mixing is to help you pick your next song, its not a mixing technique or method by it self.
it does not dictate the next track that is going to be played. well you could use it and maybe you need not use it. it depends. but if you feel it enhances your performance why not use it?

not trying to argue here.i better say first nanti you marah i... just have different opinion.
the umbrella has a stalk right? that is the batang la...
in republic there is this giant umbrella and there is a platform above the ground attached to the stalk (think kl tower with a umbrella. the part where people go and see the scenery is where the dj mixes la.) 

is it possible that a paticular techno dj does not drop songs but in fact rely on smooth transitions?

because on the matter of style of mixing i think it is really up to an individial on which styles to use...

i believe if some1 would to just copy styles then it would not be good one must obtain his own style so punters can identify it as his/her signature style... like carl cox i know he likes to use the method which you said just now.

maybe i dont really know techno/ hardstyle that much maybe cause i dont enjoy it... but i think not all techno dj has to conform with the particular style you mentioned.. what do you think?
is it possible for a techno dj to use harmonics to help sort his/her playlist?

Hello all, im just a bedroom DJ and would like to learn from all the experts here.

Wanna ask a question, what genre should i play for those people who like hard stuff like hard style or hard dance which im not into?

wow...so meriah this thread..just 3 days didn't log in..anyway where to find vinyls??...what is the price for each?

Thanks for all the replies.

Im a bedroom DJ which into trance as my main genre but no restriction to other genre such as house, electro and techno. First of all is not what a big gig, it is just my friends uncle birthday so he asked me to play. Without doubt, i would love to play pure trance but because of the audience and some of my friends they kinda prefer those harder stuff. I understand that im the one who gonna select the tracks not the audience but if you dont play what the audience / the theme wants, the people wont get the mood its just plain dull. I agree with procontavia, study the crowd first then only the selection of tunes. So is it possible for me to play tech and hard trance and progress to techno or electro?

uh ok..will check out that place...

what bout speakers?...any suggestions?

can use computer speakers eh?...that's good...jimat duit..

ape jugak digital peeps?
kan korang TT user yg majority....

westokan... how's the maintenance like for tts?

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Added on May 20, 2008, 7:15 pmbtw, anyone had any thoughts of organising a party?

i have a fair share of mobile gigs.... some good some not so good as all gigging live would to face. but you will have to maintain a spirit of esprit de corps and be professional about everthing even when things goes wrong...
i have mixed for a live bands/ concerts using the allen and heath gl4000, and full blown cerwin vega cabinates das bass cabs and stuff (basically the cream de la cream of pa) till the 'budget' made in china coby brand mixer and dmb (imitation of bmb) speakers.
some formal events and some not so formal.

in all things you do, no matter what kind of gears you use or gigs you have, be professionnal about it.
i cant stress how important this is by just typing it here. perhaps one day you guys teh tarik wif me at mamak then i can start my grandfather story. can start telling stories form world war 2 also can. but i prefere chinese tea, some1 must bring the oolong tea and bring some chinese chess and peanuts and then can start my grandfather story.

btw, guyz any good and cheap tt for scratching? 2nd hand 1200mk2 how much ar? or is numark tt500, tt200 good? how much are the numarks ar?

ahaaa at least choong is half traditional...hehe

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Added on May 21, 2008, 1:32 pm
wah got so many dealers for numark & behringer in this forum..i do hoe that some day there will be an ecler, pioneer or at least denon dealer 

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Added on May 21, 2008, 1:37 pm
wow that's very fortunate of you...live in KL where there is places for some mobile gigs for you to test on....

i've been trying to tell folks here what is the difference between a dj in house parties an a spokeperson/MC/host that always introduce people & ice-breaking. they doesn't seems to understand & thought the person who always hold the mic during parties are DJs ...WTF??  

anyone interested on my DJM600 ? all new sliders ....... made in japan
heh ~ anyway when is the next gathering ~

been busy with WICT event .. no time to sit around the forum to reply. Finally today last day... I macam kena kutuk jer with my DVS...
i got vinyl and i op for DVS because it's cheaper and there will be more things /sounds/tracks that u can experiment with ... so yea
i do have couple of scratch/single records .....

next gathering ..? this weekend at xtothed's cafe ..? keke
i should be free this weekend ..

intro arr.. hardstyle?
listen to some yoji biomechanica mixes and try to get the songs which he mixes.
or carl cox...
these are pro hardcore dj

good news !! just now i go breakfast with my tutor ~ so when we chatting i ask him whether can borrow his SL1200MK2 TT.....the answer is YES ! so .... need it ? or just jam with CDJ400 ?

bro, are they selling used mk2's for 1.5k? each or a pair?

my mixvibes is bought to be set up with turntables .. it won't be like the last time .. when i try to set it up on your CDJ ..

since the host is busy this weekend... i guess it won't be happening ...

i cannot see the video laa...
please paste link here instead...

anyway, i can control the software as usual using touchpad & play music from the software itself.

itulah boring2 ni i go back to basic messing around with virtual dj...now the laptop has been reformatted so until now no performance issue 

bwahahaaa....hehee.
tak sia2 aku reformat laptop several times, took me almost 2 days to reinstall everything yuu
bah apsal byk sgt offtopic nih?
2moro ada gathering ke u all?

FYI, namhong is back with his Maya44 usb stock at rm500 retail...

mixvibes is just like Serato
the different is ... serato = fixed price .... mixvibes ... the price is actually depending on your hardware(soundcard)
software probably about 200-300USD only but the soundcard will be the one to determine the final price
if you want a very good setup , then it's easily will cost more than serato but mixvibes is able to support up to 4 turntables in one notebook ..which serato can't..
mixvibes is always improving and updates are all free ...

maya44usb is just one of the lowest end ... (*beside built in Soundcard*) which works well with Mixvibes.

mixvibes is not a VINYL CD emulation software(*does not only apply to CD*) .. but it's more commonly know as DVS = Digital Vinyl System ..
all Rane Serato , Mixvibes , Final Scratch, Torq are categorize as DVS ...

there are pro an cons
serato = industry standard..easily setup... compatible with windows/mac OS  .. expensive
mixvibes = upcoming big thing,can support 4 turntables, free updates, can be tricky setting up your hardware to work with mixvibes software ..(*driver issues/OS issues*)
FS/ ToRq = nothing much to comment.. don't know much about them ...
so yea ..

i can't remember i showed you or westokan ...
anyway .. just "replace" vinyl = with your  CD T/C .... Phono settings to Line Settings ...
does your maya has a "phono/line" switch???

when you play your CD T/C ... does it emit a loud high pitch sound?
if you can use the mixvibes software to play the song (*"without t/c control") , then there probably no problem with your setup but the T/c ...
it's hard to explain in words .. i don't know how to tell you clearly in words ..