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This post has been edited by toniseah: Apr 1 2012, 02:15 AM

how many suggestion threads you need?

throw out the bass tube. got box type...tube cant get u much

the only thing you should be thinking now is your battery...

if its gets flat abnormally frequent... any upgrades would be "not good enough"

previously is starting play ICE and now trying to upgrade bro..of cause i dunwan any regrets after buying ma

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Added on December 7, 2011, 8:14 pmyea the bass is not solid..tube bass spread it all for side

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Added on December 7, 2011, 8:16 pmoh,because when i turn up volume to 20 + something..the amp will automatically turn to protection mode..and causing my component got whistler sound oso
btw thxs

This post has been edited by toniseah: Dec 7 2011, 08:16 PM

how much is ur budget...?
can take my back stage den...
will giv u enuf bass as i'm into SQL...

Dude... Wats wrong with asking valid ques? If u are not helping then its better not to reply

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...ult_type=topics

id reckon that we'd want a clean/clutter free forum.

granted, the ICE sub-forum is less obvious on the issue considering the activities and active posters in it. though, i'd personally prefer to not practice double standards as with the majority of Malaysians.

it could also be my personal issue that i saw a few of his threads thats generally asking the same thing, or at the very least, the same/similar thread title.

i hope you could excuse me after clicking the link above for merely wishing a less... well, "repetitive" forum experience.

I agree with Bafukie.
If ppl are expected to search the forum and read all 10001 post, then might as well just google and skip this sub forum.
Ppl should be allowed to post and ask for help/reco specific to their system or environment.
Although 1 thread per person should be the limit.

I dunno about u but i had a quick look at his threads... There is a question on how many rms needed to power his jbl sub, another to ask why his amp cut in and out and now he is asking why his bass is not enough... I dun see the similar questions being asked all over again. Do u?

We are not here to 'teach' ppl when or what is the requirement to open a new thread. If its a valid question, why not answer instead of asking why open. They are new, they don't search, they tend to have a lot of questions, get over it.

And even if he did post in the same thread. There are less chances that someone would actually see it.

if you've clicked my link, then you would have understood that that was my entire intention.

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Added on December 9, 2011, 12:14 am1) http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1976540&hl=

2) http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1977196&hl=

3) http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1977741&hl=

+ this thread, 4 threads.
hence my question.

imagine if this is a VERY active sub-forum, and there are a FEW people like him. thankfully things haven't gone out of hand at all, however, isn't prevention is better than solution?

i agree with your points, yes, this is not a forum about how to use a forum, however if we do not at least maintain decency/ethics, i'm afraid this forum may turn into a shit hole (think of /k/, or its origins, /b/. k is actually a ton tamer compared to that, and is, despite contrary believes, heavily moderated) and eventually no one would be here answering anything.

this will be my last reply in this thread because if i continue on, it would make me a big hypocrite for derailing this thread into an argument that has absolutely nothing to do with this forum.

If you guys support him, by all means go ahead. on my *personal* standpoint (or point of view/opinions if you would prefer), i believe that his questions were answered and he should have a firm idea on what to do with his ICE.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 9 2011, 12:14 AM

thanks man,i will take a look

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Added on December 9, 2011, 1:26 amthere's nothing to do with support you or me...as u can see i create all the threads is search for help..i experience myself with my ICE and i feel i need to upgrade.if im bothering u...i make a apologies to u

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Added on December 9, 2011, 8:20 pmu come and make my thread no ppl comment and help me..thn u wan me to create another new thread?and thn u can say about me? make me piss of man...

This post has been edited by toniseah: Dec 9 2011, 08:20 PM

Go for mono block amp bro with 1 farad caps install.

thx for suggest bro .. will ask installer

I think your basstube is the problem. The amp should be more than enough. Your gains are also probably incorrectly set. i have an old rf 12" in a box if you wanna see if the amp is ok or not. that rf can be heard a block away even on a 2X75W lightning audio amp.

bro i've pmed u

Get rid of the basstube... buy a capacitor for the amp pushing the sub... get a decent 12" sub in a customade box. Sure got better bass now

thx man...searching for woofers now
but my car got a annoying whistler sound when accerelate..
any ICE sifus can help ?

Toniseah: this is due to the known by audio ppl the term "Aeroplane sound" or distortion sound. This is a tricky part to tackle, either it is due to any of the following:

a) speakers wiring/ RCA wiring touching car panel or any other wires
b) low quality amps installed
c) power cable from car battery to ampl not properly covered/ protected by heat resist layer.

If the above all done and still has the sound, best to use "surpressor" to cut off those sounds. However, sound quality will reduced.

The worst excuses installer will say... "something is wrong with your car as other car dont face that kind problem"...screw them...tell them to fixed it. Its not an easy task but installer must be responsible for long term business.

aeroplane sound or alternator whine is from some sort of grounding problem, which could come from any wire in yoursystem, could be amp ground, player ground, rca ground, etc etc.....

yea it getting worst now..at 1st is my component with aeroplane sound..and now getting worst,my woofer is coming out aswell with boom boom sound..if i unplug my component amp..thn sound gone..so i listening with tweeter only for now..i've tried check all the ground and RCA cable..have no idea how to fit it..btw will send to accessories shop to get it done..do u know how much do it cost ? thank MikeX for the useful information and help

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Added on December 28, 2011, 1:47 amyea no skill at all..its my fren introduce me to that shop..it was my mistake that i let them to install..the shop is a tinted shop and it say they know to install aswell,as it my fren-fren..so i trusted them..but i dont think they will responsible for this problem because it few month already..btw no lost no gain man

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Added on December 28, 2011, 1:52 ami think the problem is grouding..using a cheap grouding cable from the installer shop..will bring to accessories shop to fit it before upgrading any sound system.. all the way thx to all the ice sifus here ..given and learn alot of useful information here...

This post has been edited by toniseah: Dec 28 2011, 01:52 AM

Hi bro... it seems to me your component amp is the one giving problem. Mind to share what brand is it? Do check the power cable from car battery to the amp. Most likely this is the source of problem.

hi bro..my component amp are rockford fosgate..i've check all the thing but the sound still coming up..if i un-plug the component amp..the aeroplane sound is only getting lower but still got.

easiest could be loose rca, difficult would be amp grounding to chassis not good, have to re-do, but worst problem of all, cant find the problem, haha.... sometimes rca terminal in amp or player ground solder loose, sometimes player need to add one more grounding wire, sometimes passive crossover too close to car ECU, sometimes speaker wire or rca wire too close to power cables, many many reasons lah....

Hi, to all the ICE expert, I need your help. I'm stupid about car audio. My car is persona year 2011.
I has install head unit Kenwood DDX5036. I did ask a few shops what I should install.
Some say power amp, pre amp, crossover, fuse, sub woofer, speaker, tweeter, and many more.
I only want nice quality music n sweet sound in my car. Not for autoshow. My budget RM3k.
1. What the different power amp 2 channel with 4 channels, their function and how to choose/use it?
2. What the different about 2 way component speakers, 3 way separate speakers,
3 or 4 way coaxial speakers? I'm blurr..
3. What is crossover function and is it has to use with tweeters?
4. I plan remove the ori persona speakers and install 2 tweeters to dashbox,2 speakers in front doors,
2 speakers at the back door, 2 speakers on the top rear cover to built a full surrounding sound.
Don't want to install subwoofer and using only one powerful Amp.
But, worry if using high watt amp will cause exploded in my car audio system
and my battery faster kong? I really need everyone opinion and advices. pliz help me.Tq so much.

I will try and answer a few simple ones...

3k is healthy for what you want.

2 or 4 channel is just amp that provide different numbers of output. 4ch you have 4 output, and vice versa.

1 powderful Amp for 3k with speakers might not be enough.

Your car won't explode with 1 amp only or rather 1 high watt amp. Your batt is safe, no worries.

if u not planning to go for sub...
can try hunt for a used 9887 or P80RS2...
a 4 used channel amp around Rm800 & a new component set around Rm800...
d balance is for installation & cable...
ur sound system will sound very good already...

Hi Str33tBoY, tq 4 your opinion. so, u mean my kenwood head unit have to change with pioneer brand bcos the sound not good? i'm still not understand.sory bro..
My wife car-tq for your information. u mean 1 channel is 1 speaker?what is the good and powerful amp u recommend to me?i ever saw in the ICE magazine, got amp 4500watt, not sure how many channel. is it ok for me?tq bro.

not familiar with kenwood...
d 2 model I suggested is always used for competition or those with high expectation...
Me & bro MyWifeCar is a user of P80RS2 and is very satisfy with it...
if u dun plan to change HU...
u can consider to add pre-amp,electronic EQ or crossover...

but d easiest way is like what I suggested...
u can learn more about ICE during d journey in ICE-ing...

If you just recently install the kenwood head unit, I would suggest you leave it alone first. Use your current budget to get a decent power amp (2ch or 4ch depends on your needs), a component set that comes with passive crossover, appropriately size power cable and fuse, good quality rca cable, good installation and soundeadening work. Electronic crossover and preamp; these are not really necessary; a low quality ones will just add more noise to your system. Having subwoofer is good too, I'm not sure why you don't want it.

By what you want to do, ideally it will be best if you can have 8 channel of output. But would suggest minimum 6 channel of output.

keep your HU,

spend the money on amps, component set, and subs... second hand works even better...

here is an example list that could give you ample of good quality sound.

1. Genesis Dual Mono - RM1850 Click Here
2. Focal Access 165A1 - RM800 Click Here
3. Labour/Interconnects/Speaker cables/Baffles - RM350 (Depending on shops) Contact here

no need to add on any other stuff... this the the kind of setup you will want if your definition of SQ is what we normally perceive here.

and anothing thing... if your HU supports surround sound setup, you are gonna need a lot more amp than one. if it doesnt support surround sound then you will need to install a processor and amps to make the surround sound system works.

and to my estimation, both way above is going to crack your Rm3k budget easily, so my best recommendations, no need the surround sound, go for pure SQ setup, you enjoy more, less setting up headaches.



This post has been edited by craziechild: Jan 31 2012, 03:53 AM

I'm sharing my experience. B4 i buy persona, I drive 2ndhand vios 2004. The ori vios sound system is bad. So,I go to the famous car accessories at my town install new one. The ICE installer recommended me many branded audio. They install 6 soundstreem speakers n Pegasus amp n others item. Total cost RM3882.00. I paid RM2k cash and the rest I paid use credits card. After 5/6 month, the sound not good like b4. Setting always lari, tune sound sharp, amp easily get hot and the woofer bass like batuk2. Then, I go back to the shop and complain. The tauke and workers pretend not know me. They ask me to go other shop. So, I go to other car accessories shop to check. They told me the amp I'm using not suitable, not support speakers watt,
speaker are bad quality sound and the grounding cable installation are terrible, so cincai. Some are loose, low quality cable, some unnecessary item being install and my HU, Trans 6.1" are fake..not ori Japan brand. Bullshit!!. I feel cheated!! I spends almost RM5k,not a small amount. My friend told me to report this matter to Pejabat kementerian kepenggunaan but I don't. Honestly, I feel very2 sad that time. I'm not rich person, just like normal people, kerja biasa cari mkn. After that, I don't want to do something without knowing about it. I not sure either I want to install subwoofer, coz worry no space n my wife noisy about it. That y for my persona,
I ask help from all the ICE expert in this forum. Bro Str33tBoY, Bro MyWifeCar, Bro lhsmedphy, Bro craziechild, thanks for giving me advices n opinion. Also thanks to anyone that could help me.

about ur questions:-

1) Read this http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Co...o_Multi-Channel

2) read this http://www.caraudiohelp.com/car_audio_spea...io_speakers.htm

3) read this http://sound.westhost.com/biamp-vs-passive.htm


in ice, make it as simple as possible, go for 2way front passive setup will do, u only need one 4channel amp, 1 2way component set speakers and a sub woofer, if u do not need a sub woofer, u can bridge ur 4channel amp to drive ur component set.