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post Jul 10 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(CantThinkOfAName @ Jul 10 2012, 03:54 PM)
so can I state that the MOT must be completed in, for example, 3+3 months? failing to do that, i want all my deposit to be refunded?
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Yes you can.

QUOTE(CantThinkOfAName @ Jul 10 2012, 03:54 PM)
Another scenario, If I already paid the 3% booking fee, and then realised there's a problem with the MOT... can I refuse not to sign the SPA and want my earnest money back?
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You can't proceed with the MOT stage without executing the SPA and paying the balance deposit.

QUOTE(CantThinkOfAName @ Jul 10 2012, 03:54 PM)
Another scenario, if the property is under auction...can a developer refuses to do a direct transfer of MOT to the successful bidder?
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That would not arise as if the property is encumbered, the bank will be notified once the strata title is out and the bank will appoint lawyers to effect the transfer. The borrower need not even execute anything as he had already executed a PA in favour of the bank. As such, when the property goes for auction, title would already be out in the borrower's name and it can be transferred to you without any issues, and without having the need to go through the developer.
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post Jul 10 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 9 2012, 11:45 PM)
- since no completion yet, cant i just tell the seller to anyway go ahead and apply immediately to reconnect the utilities in his name?
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Yes of course. Why not give him the keys now as well so that he can have access now itself, as TNB might want to access the inside of the premises?

QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 9 2012, 11:45 PM)
- this seller is asking me to clean the house and cut the grass to make it habitable for him at completion and this is not in the agreement anyway, and i did not agree to do that verbally either...buyer has  a half past six lawyer who is not helping matters..I dont wish to conclude this sale on a sour note ..

what is my legal obligation in this case?

Thanks
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If you do not wish to conclude it on a sour note then you and the purchaser needs to reach a compromise. Normally cleaning and clearing of the premises would be done by the purchaser. Perhaps you can reach a middle path by agreeing to give him the keys earlier (since you said there's just another 2 weeks left) and in return, the purchaser would bear the cost of cleaning and clearing. He has already benefited by getting the keys early. I don't think you ought to pay for the cleaning and clearing though, since it was not raised up earlier in the SPA. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 10 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 10 2012, 09:06 PM)
Thanks Dario..

for the caveat, when will this usually be lifted by vendor's solicitors - shouldnt this be after completion?
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Vendor's caveat? Aren't you the vendor? rclxub.gif

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post Jul 10 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 10 2012, 10:26 PM)
yes, am the vendor ..smile.gif

the caveat must have been lodged by the bank that provided me with the mortgage..but now that the loan has been redeemed, when will the caveat be
lifted? after the final disbursement due to me has been paid by the purchaser's bank?
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No, your bank has entered a charge over the property, not a caveat. The charge will be discharged at the smae time as the presentation of the MOT to transfer the title. Once that is done, together with the presentstion of the charge in favour of the purchaser's bank, only then will they release the balance sum. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jul 10 2012, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 10 2012, 11:20 PM)
what i dont understand is that since both the vendor and purchaser are using the same bank so why the need to discharge and then charge again? rclxub.gif
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Because the chargors are different. Previously you are the chargor,now the purc is the chargor. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(pristina @ Jul 11 2012, 09:10 AM)
Question,

Mother has 3 children, named A, B and C. The house is own by a mother and one of her son (named A).
One day mother past away. The house is totally own by whom?
In this case, no willing applied.

  a, equally for 3 children, named A, B and C.
  b, totally transfer to the son (named A) who has a name on the Sale And Purchase Agreement.
  c, others upshot.
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Depends whether the mother's parents are still alive. What about her husband? Assuming that those parties are no longer alive, the beneficiaries would be the 3 children.

As such, her half share would be divided equally among A, B and C.

The other way around it is for A to pay some monies to B and C. Thereafter, A, B and C can execute a Deed of Family Arrangement whereby parties agree for the half share to be transferred to A only, making A the sole owner of the property. icon_rolleyes.gif

That would be a practical solution. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 11 2012, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(jayne*muffin @ Jul 11 2012, 03:30 PM)
if a person want to buy a house with cash. The developer has the house under their name (now the house is under construction, build then sell scheme), the sales person told that the procedure is basically like this:
1. Pay booking fee rm5000
2. Pay the rest of the money through installment (probably 5 sections, with the last installment shall be paid when they get the house key, likely to be end of the year)
so far the booking fees had been paid and receipt was issued. anyways, did they (sales manager) get the thing right?
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Yep nod.gif It would follow the schedule in the SPA.

QUOTE(jayne*muffin @ Jul 11 2012, 03:30 PM)
another concern is that
1. when should the purchaser sign the s&p? probably after/ before which installment?
2. Is the any other documents the purchaser should sign? since there is not loan agreement
thanks if any can help on this smile.gif
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1. Before 1st, of course.
2. If got title then there would be an MOT. Otherwise nothing.
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post Jul 11 2012, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 11 2012, 05:41 PM)
thanks dario ..I find that some times in this world it does not pay to be nice as it could be interpreted by the other side as
"weakness" for which they will try to capitalize on it more by making more unreasonable ie crazy demands..
its not a standard procedure anyway to clean up a property that one has sold ...

the buyer has now padlocked the outside gate so does that means he is forcibly taking VP before completion? So let us say in a brief moment of madness,
i decide to get the house cleaned and grass mowed, i cant even get in so macam mana?

guess he has to take me to court to get the lawn mowed and the house cleaned!

my lawyer is getting exasperated .

the buyer got his half past six lawyer to write us a letter demanding that we made good of the
"defects" (?) or otherwise he is going to do it himself and send the bill to us...i know he does not have a case but i think i am dealing with someone who is actually quite mad to put it mildly..

lesson learned - think twice about selling your prop to certain foreigners ...my lawyer warned me about it but i did not heed her advice..
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How can he padlock the gate before setting the balance p price? That is wrong.

What defects are he referring to? I hope that there is a clause in your SPA that mentions about sale being on an as is where is basis. Look it up.

Get your lawyer to reply accordingly. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 12 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(pristina @ Jul 12 2012, 09:12 AM)
The mother's husband is still alive. Means the beneficiary would be the mother's husband?
The case returning to the same as above. Only the character change to the father.
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So now there's spouse and issue (children)?

Well, under the Distribution Act, it would be divided like this:


if an intestate dies leaving a spouse and issue but no parent or parents, the surviving spouse shall be entitled to one-third of the estate and the issue the remaining two thirds

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post Jul 12 2012, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jul 12 2012, 09:16 AM)
Hey dario,
Collected 10% of sale of property...

All documents have been sign and original documents required by the lawyer given..

 
So my ques, is

1) This stage the lawyer preparing S&P with the purchasers banker? to get the 90%

2) what else they will do? search for bankruptcy? or the lawyer have done their searches before release the 10%?

3) They have obtained their properties title from the developer.

please advice, thanks
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Can you please give a clearer picture of the scenario? Which party are you? Are you represented? What type of property ? Is it encumbered with the bank?

There are so many people asking questions in this thread and it's impossible for me to keep track and actually remember every person's details. Please bear with my limitations.

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post Jul 12 2012, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(CantThinkOfAName @ Jul 12 2012, 10:11 AM)
dariafoo, sorry another noob questions blush.gif

1. If I were to put the condition "MOT must be applied & completed within stipulated period, otherwise refund my deposit", can the vendor twists that condition by not applying the MOT and let it lapse, and not refunding my deposit huh.gif

2. If I've already paid  the legal fees, but afterthat the SPA become void ... can I claim back at least half the legal fees from lawyer? (i think we cant claim the full amt, because the lawyer has already done some job, rite?)

3. If the SPA is void not due to purchaser's problem but vendor, can we ask for the deposit refund + legal cost from vendor? 

4. I dont know whether I should ask this question to you as well, it is regarding loan application... People advise me once you've placed the 3% deposit, we can use that LO to straight away apply loan & no need to wait for the SPA, hence the loan application can be processed faster... but in this case, should I wait for the MOT to be transferred to the vendor first, then I only apply for loan?

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. and I want to ask you about auction property, but the developer has gone bankrupt... what would be the complications for the bidder if:

5. Case 1: Strata Title hasn't been issued yet
6. Case 2: Strata Title is under the borrower's name
7. Case 3: Strata Title has been issued but hasn't been transferred to the borrower yet

8. or buyer should just avoid wind-up property developer?
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Next time, please put numbers for your questions as I have done so above. Makes it easier for me to answer.

1. You can give them a certain number of days to make the application, if you want. That would spur them to act fast.

2. Yes it is customary for half of legal fees paid PLUS unused disbursements to be refunded to the client.

3. Provided you put it in the SPA.

4. Apply for loan now itself, at the most earliest opportunity. Yes, use the LO. If the bank requires more docs, they can ask it from the lawyers.

5. If the developer is in liquidation, the affairs of the company will be taken over by Receivers and Managers. They step into the shoes of the developer. If there is no strata title, nothing changes. Ownership is evidenced by way of DOA.

6. Same scenario as I had advised you. Bank can execute the MOT based on the PA.

7. R&M can do a direct transfer to you. Should not be an issue.

8. I'd rather not make a comment on that. Better if you post this question in the open forum and gather feedback from other forummers.

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post Jul 12 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jul 12 2012, 11:50 AM)
let say, i am the vendor..to sell the prop. The purchaser lawyer same with mine. Apt. No, all paid, so no encumbered with the bank.

Say, MRTA is paid earlier, can i claim back some portion from the purchaser, since the apt insurance is fully paid up.
thanks again
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No you usually can't. Unless parties agree to do so in the SPA. However, I've never heard of such arrangement.
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post Jul 12 2012, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(jalsrix @ Jul 12 2012, 02:29 PM)
Dariofoo
The real property gains tax is calculated from which date ?

a. S&P date

b. date of letter of consent from land office (if required)

c. date of transfer of purchaser name on land/strata title.
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a. S&P date
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QUOTE(chOOOk @ Jul 12 2012, 07:26 PM)
Situation:

Mr.A has a property he wants to sell at RM400,000. No loans on the property

Mr.B has a property he wants to sell at RM 220,000. Servicing loan of 10 years. Currently in 2nd year

Both parties interested to swap property.  Mr B to top up balance via bank loan.

What are the legal procedure to do this? risks and concerns? Fees ?
Appreciate any help

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I would sugges that B to enter into SPA to buy A's 400k property with a loan. A 2nd SPA would also be prepared with regard to B's property which A can redeem B's loan with cash.

Of course both SPAs would be executed simultaneouly to avoid any FFK situation, espec in B's best interests.

That would be best way. Fees would be based on scaled fees (following the SRO if in West Msia). Stamp duty would also be applicable.

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post Jul 12 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 12 2012, 08:45 PM)
Hi Dario
1)if the strata title of a property is out, whether or not the owner can transfer direct to the subsequent buyer depends on the developer's consent?

2) if the owner does not hv the title transferred to his/her name within the deadline, what are the consequences if any?
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1) consent of developer is no longer required if the property falls under the scope of the HD Act. If got strata title it is of no concern of the developer.

2) deadline imposed by ? The SPA or the land office?
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post Jul 13 2012, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Jul 12 2012, 10:26 PM)
1) since strata title is out, the owner is to  execute MOT with developer to get the title registered in owner's name..if owner decides to delay the registration to save on stamp duty as the unit is for sale, is developer's consent for direct transfer required?

2) deadline under clause 40A (2) of the Strata titles Act 1985 ...
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1) The question is - has the developer given the indication that has agreed to perform a direct transfer? If so, then it will be reflected in the SPA. So, delay by vendor does not arise. If otherwise, then you can state in the SPA that the vendor shall within xxx days submit the MOT to the developer for its execution and thereon. Everything will be in the SPA.

2) The Land Office can fine the party at fault but I have not come across such scenario where it has happened. Even if there is a delay it is always from the proprietor's side as they might want to hold on until they find a purchaser. However, more often than not, the developer would be willing to do a direct transfer to the new purchaser.
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QUOTE(chOOOk @ Jul 13 2012, 03:14 PM)
Thanks for reply

Problem is A does not want to put SPA of 400k or higher. A wants to put SPA less than 400k to avoid RGPT 
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B prefers to get 100% loan by putting SPA of >400k or minimal downpayment of  <20k because B does not have enough cash to pay downpayment should A put a lower value in SPA
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Somebody has to budge. In all honesty, it ought to be B. A can't take the risk of putting a lower price for the SPA.
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QUOTE(muwinner @ Jul 14 2012, 12:19 AM)
after our old tenancy agreement expired,the landlord make a new one without stamping it.can i know if the new agreement is legal?
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It is still legal, but in the event of a dispute and it goes to Court, it cannot be used as evidenxe unless it is stamped first. There are exceptions but more often than not, it has to be stamped first. One can even stamp it later but then, there would be a penalty.
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QUOTE(WhiteMouse @ Jul 14 2012, 01:50 AM)
what to ask, tenancy agreement ends on jun 2012, but my dad agrees with the tenant in jan 2012 to rent till dec 2012 verbally. now wish to collect back the house, already given 3 month notice to the tenant to move out by end of aug 12.

but tenant quite reluctant to move out.

which party is right? tenant ot owner?

thanks.

p/s change of mind to collect back the house earlier bcoz my current rental place will be collect back by owner on 1/9/12. only know about that 3 months ago, so have to get back the house to stay.
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Since there's nothing in writing to confirm the extension, it would fall back on the tenancy, which sides the owner. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(muwinner @ Jul 15 2012, 01:51 AM)
anywhere that i can report him?cos agreement ending aug 2012,he just sms me on 12 july to move out on aug.no 3 mths notice.asking me to pay all due before moving out.i've paid him 2+1 deposit when shifting in.do i have to pay him or stay for 3 more mths.tq for reply.
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It all depends on what is stated in the agreement itself. You need to check it yourself. I can't advise you as i do not have a copy of it.

Usually, it is upon you as the tenant to request for an extension if you want to stay on. Otherwise, the landlord is entitld to assume that you will leave once the tenancy expires. Normally there is no need for the landlord to give notice of expiration of tenancy as it is understood from the agreement.

Then again, see what is provided for in your agreement, icon_rolleyes.gif

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