2 years gone by, team CS 1.6 Malaysia still unable to make the cut to the 2011 WCG final in Busan Korea which start this Thursday Dec 8th - Dec 11th

There are 650 gamers from 60 countries unfortunately in CS 1.6 no Malaysia team make the cut even though they fought so hard in Qualifier 1, 2, 3 till the Grand Final in Malaysia.

One thing remained mysterious, where goes all the sponsor money for CS 1.6?

We have sponsored referee named Douglas Chin for CS 1.6 but no sponsored team for CS 1.6 to represent Malaysia. Like the SEA GAMES official get more sponsorship than the athletes who fought for Malaysia. This is the kind of system created under the BN umbrella.

Don't Miss this Friday big match Indonesia team EXECUTIONERS (FERDINAND PUTRA,GRAYSON SUMARLIN,PAULUS WIJAYA NGAN,EDWIN na,ANDREW JOSEPH NONIS) versus team SK from Sweden (Marcus Larsson,Patrik Lindberg,Johan Klasson,Christopher Alesund,Robert Dahlstrom) How many win can team Indonesia steal from team SK a David versus Goliath task for team Indonesia?



This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 6 2011, 11:21 AM

i wonder how many malaysian's are still interested in this game.

In fact some old bird are steal shooting, there are 3 Qualifiers and 1 Grand Final, each team has 5, therefore there are still many consider the participants.

The last Malaysia CS 1.6 team sent to participate during 2008, 3 years ago.

cs
[TeamLZ]
Kong Chian Lian

cs
[TeamLZ]
Yew Siang Ng (Ex - FMJ active) The last remaining participant since 2001

cs
[TeamLZ]
Graham Chin

cs
[TeamLZ]
Lam Wai Loong

cs
[TeamLZ]
Chee Teik Lau

Malaysia contingent in E-Sport has been cut down tremendously due to RASUAH? every year there are more sponsor, but how can the prize money remain the same ? where goes all the MONEY?

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 6 2011, 11:28 AM

Not much , my best bet wait for CS:GO next year , probably new teams will arise

lol

To TS: you trying to say our CS champion this year are not able to go for grand final are due to missing sponsored air ticket?

Both Malaysia and Singapore CS 1.6 team not able to make it.

Only Indonesia participated.

Don't forget to tune in this coming Thursday to view the latest news especially Indonesia team take on Swedish team.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 6 2011, 03:25 PM

As in not qualified or...?

Probably there is another Regional Qualification, Indonesia CS 1.6 emerged champion. No news on this, anyhow, Indonesia match is David versus Goliath this coming Friday.

Login WCG TV to watch

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Added on December 7, 2011, 9:13 amDid I read it wrong, here the prize money for champion suppose to be RM 7000 but now become RM 1500 only

Sendi Mutiara cheat on participant again, their prize money has been cut



Here's what is promised on the prizes for CS.





Here the reality the champion travel from Singapore only win RM 1,500 what the hell, not enough to cover lodging and travel for 5 adults.



What the champion won



In this Bolehland, all the information is faked, or manipulated for someone pocket where is the picture they handed RM 7,000 cash mocked cheque?

How can one single company monopolize every licenses collection in this country like Astro?



This is more like a pirate, where if you are supported by Dato, then you can build and create your own history, monopolization is illegal in some developed countries unfortunately Bolehland tolerate and allowed it to grow as long as rule of jungle existed mean the politician and syndicate will continue to rule those who suffer are the gamers, all the sponsor they deserve are been manipulated and deducted by these mastermind (crooked).

How much prize money developed nation for CS won by investing their youth time to training, scrim, and staying late at cafe? Our Asian youth compare to European youth, is like been punished, the Asian youth get nothing but crumbs, whereas European youth get everything. What happen to the minister who should be actively involved in raising the height and promoting youth especially professional gamers. Somehow, they do nothing to help out, don't think the Asian youth put lesser effort, but the time are the same the yield are little compare to European youth. Malaysia youth don't even get a chance to participate in CS 1.6 since 3 years ago, this chance already been denied, someone already steal their sponsorship they deserved, the sponsor are not aware, and the person just keep quiet as if nothing happen.

Counter-Strike 1.6 ($80,000)
1st Natus Vincere - $35,000
2nd Frag eXecutors - $17,000
3rd mTw - $8,500
4th SK Gaming - $4,000
5th/6th compLexity - $2,500
5th/6th fnatic - $2,500
7th/8th Moscow Five - $1,750
7th/8th Lions - $1,750
9th/10th Team EG - $1,750
9th/10th UMX Gaming - $1,750
11th/12th redCode - $1,750
11th/12th TCM Gaming - $1,750

RM 7K or RM 1.5K Malaysia for the champion not even 5% of their prize money like that they also want to tax the money, now you see how dark and crooked they are. They are only giving you crumbs but where is the actual sponsor prize money goes? nobody bother, as nobody care. All they care is continue to waste their time in cybercafe thought of representing Malaysia someday, but somehow, it has been 3 years since they took over, what has gone wrong with the sponsorship?


Money is passed to authority who suppose to promote Gaming Industry in Malaysia, only 5% or 10% are passed to participants the remaining all go to where? Therefore, these youth, they must invest more time to study, only education can harness the future generation and politician who understand and build this nation, build this gaming industry.


This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 09:32 AM

What... In the f*** are you talking about buddy?

Edit: Get your facts right please. I'm not going to bother telling you where you went wrong. But your whole post is dun goofed

P/S: Good example of gutter journalism though!

This post has been edited by slimyboy: Dec 7 2011, 11:01 AM

You my friend about the CSO are very wrong .. The rm7k prize and stuff are for the GRAND FINALS not for the QUALIFIERS .

in australian wcg, they opened up to games like cod4 and stole peoples money by decreasing the prize pool at the last minute. hah

This post has been edited by [XEF]-No Fear.my: Dec 7 2011, 11:21 AM

Dear people,

Let me begin my post by introducing myself. My name is Graham Chin and I go by the nickname of StaiN. I have won the World Cyber Games Malaysia on two occasions (in 2007 and 2008) and the Electronic Sports World Cup Malaysia (in 2006). I have been a member of Team nKaa, Hybrid and [LZ]. I am still a member of Hybrid as it is more of a brotherhood rather than a clan.

First things first, as you know that the last time Malaysia sent a Counterstrike team over to a World Cyber Games FINALS it was in 2008 where Team [LZ] which consists of:

Lau Chee Teik / syck
Gavin Lam / gavin
Lian Kong Chian / nitroN
Ng Yew Siang / hix
Graham CHin / StaiN

We were given very good treatment by IN2 as they are very generous people and have proved themselves as a very good organisation hosting uncountable amount of Malaysia qualifiers in the past. However as they have backed out of hosting the World Cyber Games in this country (I dont know whether they lost the rights to the license, or whether they sold it or...) Malaysia has since only opted to send winners of individual games. I believe this move is because most organisations are seeking to cut costs in this tight times. Usually the winner of Counterstrike is only ALLOCATED a slot INTERNATIONALLY ONLY if they are able to find their own sponsors.

Fast forward to this years Malaysia qualifiers. Team Hybrid win another World Cyber Games Malaysia, the team that won the qualifiers consisted of:

Sanjay Anantharajah / sniggy
Lau Chee Teik / syck
Azmir Hamzah / jackal
Lian Kong Chian / nitroN
Azim Yazid / bobo

Immediately after winning, the team were promised to be sponsored to represent Malaysia in Busan, Korea. However due to work constraints jackal and syck did not have the time necessary to participate. Therefore Julian Khoo / KrixxKroxx and myself were asked to replace them in the lineup. Contracts were prepared by our sponsor and certain ISSUES prevented us from signing the contracts and representing Malaysia on another occasion.

It is really sad to see unlike individual games, Counter Strike champions are required to seek for their own funds to go abroad. At the end of the day, not many would want to sponsor a team that is going to go abroad and just get demolished. To improve the Counter Strike scene further, I believe local teams need to go abroad and BOOTCAMP. This way the team are able to garner experience, exposure, and learn more about the game and the teams that they would face on a international level.

On another note, the Counter Strike Online post that you wrote is total bullsh*t. Please get your own facts right before even thinking of coming here and flaming everyone including the organisation (SMM), our country, our government and such. Only flame such things when you've got a positive argument.

The picture that you uploaded is from the Kuala Lumpur STATE qualifiers. The lineup in that picture consists of:

Sanjay Anantharajah / sniggy
Daryl Chua / insanity
Willis Loye / RomeoX
Jasper / jasper
Noxious

This lineup won the event and took home RM1500.

Before Team RageFaction took part in the finals held in Mid Valley they made two changes to the team, bringing in Prasad Paramajothi / StrykerX and myself.

Also we are a MIXTURE of both a MALAYSIAN and SINGAPOREAN team.

We managed to secure victory after a closely fought battle against Aufghets in the finals. We won RM7000 and are promised that the prize money will be transferred to one of our accounts within two weeks.

These are facts, now just look at yourself and think, "Why did I even make a post?"

On another note, I am selling a BRAND NEW RAZER IMPERATOR. Please let me know!

Thank you for reading,

Yours sincerely,

Graham Chin / StaiN

This post has been edited by StaiN^: Dec 7 2011, 12:30 PM

So it was TS that are confusing people that PIKOM tulan all the money and not let you guys to represent Malaysia, loll.

Nice clears up there StaiN.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Dec 7 2011, 12:33 PM

Dear TS ,

Its really clear that you did not THINK before you write . Its clearly stated "STATE SELECTION" on the card that was hand out to the team . SMM had always been one of the best e-sports organizers out there and they promoted lots of games to the community to venture in . On the other hand , why would major e-sports organizers like them would want to cheat our time and effort if you had THINK properly .

Think you might need to read what people say from the official SMM grand final thread.



But still i'd be thankful to SMM for making this big tho, just the cheap rental PC part is a bit... shake head

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Dec 7 2011, 02:23 PM

Thanks for the info.

They will be thankful, in the end the winner of all sponsored money goes to?

If all can't commit themselves, consecutively for 3 years they are fat with all the sponsored money masuk pocket.

If there is no one complain, what is wrong of sapu all sponsored money?

For 3 years if they are not spending or reward back the sponsored money to the players, the prizes should not be only RM 7,000 but should be more because for 2 years these sponsored money should be in their account after deducting 5 players air ticket, lodging, travel, etc.

Instead no photos is taken with mocked cheque more than RM 7K for the third years.

They sad is a cash prize but how can cash prize turn to become bank transfer? what kind of cash prize suddenly become bank transfer and have to wait few days?

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 03:03 PM

That is news to me indeed. My trip to Busan, Korea is sponsored ?

LOL

Get your facts right before you post your crap.

Seriously, what in the name of f*** is your point? I don't get it. Do you even know how all these big events work? WCG, ESWC etc?

And since when have competitions with big amounts of cash involved players receiving cash RIGHT after the tournament itself? Wow you make me so mad.

I only agree with one line you say, the rest is just more and more bull....... Jebus.

First of all if the sponsor agreed then champions are not required to seek for own funds. Now the problem with sponsor or Malaysia authority? the Grand Final for CS 1.6 already over where they already take picture of RM 7K mocked cheque given to the champion?


No leave available on Thursday and Friday? everyone have annual leave, what is more important than representing Malaysia?



This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 03:43 PM

"champions seeking own funds = money out of your own pocket, or finding your own sponsors"

so when I said "sponsor agreed" means a sponsor that WE FOUND.

They're work is tough and annual leave has already been taken up as it is the end of the year IF YOU DIDNT REALISE.

After what i saw in Rinie's and Graham's fb post i was so tempted to open LYN forum from workstation and stop all my pending work just to have a good laugh.. seriously TS you got issues man..

Link for the FB post lol.

I wonder if the TS even went to these events in Malaysia and spoke to the organizers themselves. Sorry mate, but I clearly think all the accusations are indeed baseless.

But come to think of that, perhaps we can come up with an idea of special leave for those representing Malaysia. There are some companies do have those special leave, but primarily big companies.

If Stain and Auricom already cleared up the issues and you still didn't get the point, you may have your own agendas to discredit these companies and our country.

How about trying to be in their shoes and organize one big tourney?

hi TS,

are you trying to be on politic or on game ?

How can we improve Malaysia CS 1.6 when nobody fight for these talented people, they have to find their own sponsor, and also subject to approval.

It is endorsed by Minister of Sport and Youth, what kind of endorsement is this if taking 2 day leave to represent Malaysia also can't or if replacing 2 players also can't. The minister are weak, failed to perform boasting Malaysia e-games.

Other game have representative in WCG 2011 so good luck to all e-games athletes, bad luck for CS 1.6 for consecutively 3 years.

This case is similar to those athletes of SEA GAMES where the official are sponsored and some athletes are not as they are not entitle for the government sponsorship. They always have strong case against all allegation like when people complain how come CS 1.6 no representative then there will be people come in here to condemn the allegation and have a good laugh. Some said few Malaysian mentality is like that one.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 04:27 PM

Seriously dont bother with this fellar.

He's the same one who opened a thread back in '09, complaining about the same thing ...

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1217485&hl=

He's another of those all talk and no action type, whereby they're only brave when posting crap online.

LOL,what a joke.

Dear brothers and friends,


Let us all pray that this thread will still be here and that TS will continue posting until at least end of this week for us to go through this this horrible horrible weekend.

I feel more alive now thanks to TS~



-IN B4 THREAD IS CLOSED BY H@H@-

Let's pray that 2012 will be a good year where Malaysia can at least send 1 CS 1.6 team to participate in WCG 2012 and 2013 in CHINA

Minister also need to raise the sponsor prizes to attract more team to participate, RM 1,500 for champion compare to the market is USD 80K prizes. In advertisement they stated RM 100K ++ but in reality no, it is just like 5-10% and only few team left.

Every country must have sponsor, because all the money come from taxpayers when they go out buy their new galaxy tab, optical mouse, computer and all electronics gadgets, surprisingly, these prizes are not injected back to motivate and support participants.





This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 05:54 PM

your posts are as retarded as the politicians you complain about. but it's funny, will keep reading to laugh @ you.

This post has been edited by NecrosavaNt: Dec 7 2011, 06:47 PM

Agree with TS , with DotA 2 and CS:GO appearing next year , hopefully e-sports in Malaysia will continue to grow .

We will see if the war DotA v1 and v2 (remember dota 5.84 vs 6.xx?) and 1.6 and CSS and CSGO will arise. :S

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Dec 7 2011, 08:18 PM

I wonder which Ministry are ready to increase the cash prize since they can provide the endorsement and anything within their will.

But the fact is gaming scene is a part of the business. It's a win-win situation as the gamers buy the product and the publishers can use the money to invest on tournaments.

Plus, gamers tend to move on to new games and if they find the new games is much more interesting, they would stick to it. That's how the life cycle here.

And don't try to mix politics with gaming scene. we already had enough of politics and these people like Si_Jali, Auricom, staiN and other sacrificed their time and money just to make sure e-sports is recognized.

While BN can't provide sponsors for teams to go overseas, can you assure us gamers that PR would able to do that?

We will never know , people will always try to grasp something new if it interests them . I myself am really excited for CS:GO next year and wish to find an active team .

Here's tomorrow schedule:-




CS 1.6 do have active players and team, though the players has decreased significantly but then the talented few are still around since FMJ time. WCG has been a platform for these talented few to do Malaysia proud. Unfortunately, what happen to the flexibility to allow member line up change, obviously, somewhere must be wrong that as a result for the past 3 years no team are prepared to make the cut for the WCG final. Other WCG game are well prepared, there are some Malaysian participated in League of Legend and FIFA Soccer 11

League of Legend
Dec. 9 D / R 2 Team_Jantelaget vs. Team_Orange_Esports (against Swedish)
Dec. 9 D / R 3 EDG vs. Team_Orange_Esports (against Korean)
Dec. 9 D / R 4 Jerome_NEGGRET vs. Team_Orange_Esports (against French)
Dec. 9 D / R 5 FTW vs. Team_Orange_Esports (against Taiwanese)

FIFA Soccer 11
Dec 8 [R___B]_A13x (Malaysia) vs LLL_Krasi (Bulgarian), Lonewolf92 (Italian), Mario (Austria), SiesMAN (Namibia), Olimaclan (Chile)
In real soccer we can't beat South American and European and African, but in e-sport there are chance, mental strength.

Starcraft 2
Dec 8 Duskbin.cobo (Malaysia) vs GoOdy (German), Cytoplasm (Swedish), Splendour (Bulgaria), Empire.Aristeo (Russia), Deny (Croatia), IM_Mvp (Korean)
This is a great outing lots of experience and knowledge to gain from all these top countries from Europe to Korea. In Korea there are dedicated e-sport league and tv channel 24 hrs that was like 5 years ago.



This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 7 2011, 09:44 PM

So long I never come in here, I also click on the link from facebook lolx.

Douglas no need sponsor to go Korea ok! Douglas is not sponsored, but he is a sponsor, cause his sponsoring me galaxy s2 from korea.

Malaysia CS scene is pretty much dead, because stupid stain keep trashing new bloods.... stain you should stop cs, go back and make a pair of son and daughter.

There's already no one sponsoring e-sport, rasuah or not, there's no money in it.

Ben was asked whether wanna take back WCG next year for in2 but he rejected. If I'm still in the scene, probably I will reject as well because there's no profit only passion. Passion can't feed our stomach.

Can you stop saying that our CS 1.6 teams "are not making the cut" for the grand finals? WE HAVE SLOTS. Just that they can't afford to go. Damn annoying wei.

For the 3rd year, the reason was that 2 members are not able to go due to work, unable to take 2 day off due to year end and no leave left. And they are unable to replace 2 members. The winning team are sponsored to Busan to compete in WCG Grand Final.

Passion can do country proud. We are waiting for someone to write a formal request to the minister for help or Samsung, Razer, OrangeBox, any electronics company willing to sponsor telling them how CS1.6 should be sponsored like League of Legend, FIFA, Starcraft 2.

According the Stain it is not due to sponsor. So which is correct fact, no sponsor or 2 players unable to make it as they have to work unable to take 2 days off? Malaysia is not a small market for Samsung, when you look at the e-sport events there are so many sponsors, there are also SMM that monopolize all the original Starcraft 2, warcraft, CS, and almost 90% of the games you find in cybercafe these days. So, SMM not willing to help no one else can, since they monopolize the entire Malaysia market, and is the one willing to organize local events for CS 1.6 just out of passion.

In 2007


They managed to make it in 2007 after overcoming short of player due unable produce visa to US. Stain is a great leader with all the obstacles he managed to overcome and bring the team to US that is already a big achievement to Malaysia CS.



Graham is indeed a CS hero and leader, he managed to create a new team against his old team members



A very sad case for Malaysian, SMM organized the events but all prizes are grabbed by representative from China or Singaporean. What is going on a local company giving away to overseas? The objective is not to promote local e-sport? The good thing is local standard can be raised and enhance, the poor thing is Malaysian team lose out the reward. They should only open when they have local strong team in e-sport this will take years to build and create.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 8 2011, 09:27 AM

You'll get a Jokers Award soon buddy.

Thanks for praising me my friend.

To be honest, I do feel where your coming from here, as I feel the same thing that the community is slowly breaking apart from one another due to the lack of sponsorships and support from the authorities.

However, I do think that you should state actual facts and read up about certain missing information in your writeups. But nonetheless good mentions of the lack of support within Esports in our country.

On another note, we've got to understand that posting it here would not help the players, organisations, sponsors, or the governement. Maybe it would be better if we could get someone from the local newspaper or media to acknowledge the lack of support in this industry.

I bet you no one else knows that Team Hybrid even exists apart from ourselves and the little gaming community we have.

snoxd just stop posting, stop making a fool of yourself, thank you bye

StaiN after posting here, you tend to see how these people behave it does not change since Klang Mamak when Play Like A Man existed, No Kaki At All, NBTD, EDTS, SynD, FMJ, well, i hope you and the team you created can continue to cling on it never give up till opposition government can take note of such dilemma.

There are sponsor like orangebox but somehow they only sponsor team Revo, why like that one? Favoritism?

Meanwhile, I will try to see and find out from Samsung what is wrong sponsoring a team after winning WCG Grand Final, where goes the sponsor money, and why just RM 7K goes to your team. I mean there should also provide some flexibility if original members were sick or unable to make it, like in 2007 when one of your friend unable to get visa to US. In 2012 and 2013 you guys must work hard, and how to plan your training etc, never give up against all these bull shit about sponsor. There will be people who will watch you, can you provide your team member nickname and those already left to Revo? send me message better else those poser will start to flame in these thread. I hope to see GavinZ in action as well, he still in your team? E-mail to me the actual story and grudge, let see whether we can bring the case to higher authority, at least is a good start, a man who move a mountain start by removing a single stone. You see all these flamer who do some posting are less than 50 posts and when they do post you know it is for what business that is to flame, this is how they behave today, and sure you know how intelligent they are and how mischief they are.

Let me know if i can help you to investigate and bring the matter to relevant authority.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 8 2011, 10:09 PM

My friend.

We would love to cling on as well and stick together, but as everyone grows up it is harder. As mentioned before being an actually professional gamer in our country is not as easy as many other places. Funds that are put in to e-sports are nowhere near to what is needed. In addition, costs of living has risen so it is hard for anyone to even concentrate on "gaming" full time, we dont live in Sweden nor Korea.

The problem is not within Samsung at the end of the day, is is because of many other reasons.

I dont quite get it with what you mean by "sponsor money". As far as I know sponsors just provide pcs, gear, and other necessary equipment to run the tournaments, and in return garner brand exposure.

On another note, I have hung up my boots and do not really focus on Counterstrike as much as I have a family to run now and am all grown up. As we age we tend to have less time for our hobbies as we are spammed with even more responsibilities.

Again I am very glad that you are WILLING to speak to higher authorities to help gamers. It is an achievement in its own right. Continue to spread the word, and who knows one day you might actually change the situation that we are all suffering in.

Kudos

Graham Chin / StaiN

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Added on December 8, 2011, 10:56 pmI believe the Orange part that you mentioned is nothing to do with favoritism but they believe in young blood. As you see with their DotA squad and such, they are recruiting newer blood with a few experienced people in Orange.CS case (rico, zyrex and m0nst@rrr). This I believe can further enhance the scene and encourage more to play. Same with Karnal by hosting a tournament to seek out a Team 2 of YOUNG BLOOD who can excel in the future. Get it?

This post has been edited by StaiN^: Dec 8 2011, 10:56 PM

Ah another thread another crap. TS really don't know what is what, how is how and why is why . Always read the T&C.
Ok let's make it simple. You approach me asking some sponsor and I will ask you back "if I sponsor u, what I will get in return?" please answer this TS!

Ah wasted my 2mins of sleep time to post this. Cont zzzzz

Hi StaiN,

You have done a lot in Malaysia CS scene since 2001 like solving a jig saw puzzle in 2007 to managed your own team to US, that is a great achievement. I wonder why orange-esports did not hire you to coach their young team, as most of the member are from your 2007 contingent if not mistaken. This is a great loss when they want to give chance to the young blood, what about the coach and those who are really naturally talented they just lack the opportunity to absorb the best the world have to offer them like experience in WCG (scrim with international team) that is the platform to bring the game to higher level, it is also good in their resume as extra curricular activity and participation? So you don't need a coach to guide them and also backup players to train them so that they can be tactically active. Looks like currently we have all eggs in one basket for CS, when 1 team failed, all's hope dashed.

Actually Air Asia can sponsor a ticket for your team, all you need to do is write to Tan Sri Tony Fernandes, in fact, can meet up with him sometime as long as you can spread this piece of dilemma Malaysia CS is facing. Probably have to wear No to airport tax logo for your team kit. Anyhow, this is not a joke, but it can become a reality for youth with burning passion to success in e-sport, all you need to do is having the right connection and circle of people. Don't give up now, be a coach like bds start coaching, working on project like sogamed site or train CS team for 2012 and 2013,

This is probably the greatest Malaysia and World CS line up to be able to compete in the World Final and clinched a Silver medal for Malaysia.

For the past 6 years inflation has hit our pocket badly but then the prize for champion is RM 3K less than 2nd runner compare to 6 years ago, Malaysia sponsor has shrink, or the sponsor money goes to someone pocket due to losing the election?



True, sometimes reality is a bitter pill to swallow. There are many charities organization in this world, like the WWF, and many more which do not believe such thing as if I sponsor u, what I will get in return, if everyone think and behave like that, what will the world become today for some of the hapless wild animals who can't represent themselves? We all will become extinct someday, buried head first, burned to ashes, but there is no wrong giving a worth fight for justice and meritocracy. We are all given chance to change some realize too late some start right now. Let us all buried our hatred and stop flaming each other, you can make a difference.



This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 9 2011, 01:00 AM

Dude why are you dodging the fact that there was no conspiracy theory like what MILLIONS of people here has said earlier?

Maybe i'll help clear things up for you since im starting to feel edgy here and trust me if u r in front of my face i will really give u a big fat slap:


1. Counter Strike Online & CS1.6 is two different games. SMM is the title holder for CSO ONLY. E-Club is the title holder for CS1.6.

2. CS1.6 is the official game for WCG, not CSO. The one you qouted was the One Asia Cup 2011 hosted by SMM.

3. The prize money that you quoted and the picture you showed was the QUALIFIER PRIZES, not the GRAND FINAL PRIZES. AND THAT IS NOT WCG, THAT IS OAC 2011.

4. To host a tourney it requires HUGE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. Therefore, u need HUGE AMOUNT OF SPONSORS to sponsor. If renting 1pc=RM500, 100pc=RM50,000. Maybe if you host your own tourney you will realize the cost is tremendous.

5. And yes, the entire world is having problem organizing WCG even Singapore. It is already very good that WCG is still hosted in Malaysia and still send some players to participate in Grand Final unlike other countries who failed to do so.

6. Mr. Douglas Chin goes to Korea as a marshall by USING HIS OWN POCKET MONEY. NOBODY sponsored him. It was not "Like the SEA GAMES official get more sponsorship than the athletes who fought for Malaysia. This is the kind of system created under the BN umbrella." thingy. He has been going to grand final using his own pocket money since a long time ago.

7. THERE WAS NO TAX ON PLAYERS PRIZE MONEY. Every single player/team get exactly what has been promised to them.

8. Cash prizes are either given by cash or by cheque. Sometimes organizers do bank transfer to the players but that is still consider as CASH. Usually organizer will give the cash prize 1 month after the event. This is common practice to allow organizers to claim the cost of running the tourney from the sponsors.

9. Base on Stain comment, some of the players cant go due to inability to apply leave which is due to the players USED UP THEIR ANNUAL LEAVE ALREADY. N they would rather go in a team rather replace the players with some1 else or not they will just waste the sponsors money which in return will affect the sponsorship for next year.

10. SMM hosted SGNDT and all the foreign teams won the cash prizes FAIR & SQUARE. Dont blame SMM for hosting the tourney, blame the Malaysian team for not able to beat the international team.



So now after i've present all this fact above that has 1000000% proved that all your facts was FAKE/WRONG/BULLSHIT, you have two choice now:

1. Get lost.
2. Get lost.

So i think you pretty much know which choice to choose right?

snoxd, here's a -

you need it. badly.

Don't bullshit as if the official need to folk out the above rental. Everything was covered by sponsor including venue. Even the participating team or individual player have to fill up form and pay to sign up for the competition (those are consider extra).

You are in state of denial and try to divert attention. Your violence behavior is exactly like the local politician who enjoy sending bullet to ask politician that fight for justice to keep quiet.



All these sponsored PC after the event where does it goes? to somewhere else pocket again? it is held in Pikom, somemore the Pikom need to collect rental like you said 1 event need 100 PC what the hell? do you need 100 PC maybe BN need them to overstate the expenditure so that the sponsor can collect fees from the sponsor it means the sponsor is just a gimmick to the public that there are sponsoring actual fact the money did not goes to the players deservedly.

Stop hiding the truth, it is out there.

The above is 2010 sponsorship deal, the below is 2011 sponsorship deal from these vendor



Northern Region Qualifier are not meant for Northern state representative, where got other region player come to grabbed their position? what kind of this is not favoritism? to promote Orange Esport to that extent? Someone will then said all Malaysian can join in all the region qualification, hard fact to agreed.



Strategic partner also need to pay them? this is how some people define "sponsorship" mean pay first to put their logo and use their venue.



2010 WCG Malaysia event is pretty interesting, that mean 2010 less representative sponsored to the final event. How can 3 representative send just for fifa Ramli Rinie, Hoe Sheng Chew, Yik Han Wong (Malaysia Boleh awesome threesome in fifa) and warcraft Yap Tong Lian

What is this Miss got to do with WCG which promote competitive cyber sport. Malaysia Boleh!

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 9 2011, 08:53 AM

My Friend,

Orange members are not my my juniors or past teammates as you've mentioned earlier. I have only played alongside Rico (the team leader of Orange) in the year 2007 where we clinched the World GameMaster Tournament together under the team name Invuls (other members include Jabronizs, bobo, fions).

I agree with what you say about Tony Fernandes, he seems the sort of guy to come into something like this, and he MAY regard it as a sport, like the rest of us. But then again, maybe not as there is MUCH LESS publicity compared to Formula 1 (Caterham in 2012, Lotus in 2011) and the EPL (Queens Park Rangers). Maybe it was our bad not truly trying in the sense of doing "desperate measures" such as TWEETING him (since we dont have connections to the individual)

I reckon you should also not hit out at Si_Jali. He is by far Malaysias #1 gamer having clinched Malaysias HIGHEST ever placing at a World Cyber Games in Singapore (2005, I think it was). I was behind him watching and he managed to seal 4th place. In addition, he has done many things for the community, having founded spotgamers, and Malaysias first ever Esports stadium. We should appreciate all the work that he has put in.

Here I will list out my route to success in Malaysia for Counter Strike

2001
- Formed Invulnerables with Jason Teng / json

2002
- Joined nKaa.SilverSurfer with SiuPakChoi, JohnyD, and some others I cant remember
- Formed Invulnerables with Jason Teng / json
- Joined newbie league in Virtual Arena, Sri Hartamas

2003
- Merged with AoN (Sanjay Anantharajah / sniggy, Kevin & Kerry Davis / grnmons + canceR, Daniel Leong / fions, Lian Kong Chian / nitroN, Adrian Mak / jad)

2004
- Joined ESWC Malaysia and achieved 3rd place. Also took place in Asia ESWC in Malaysia

2005 - Dont know what happen this year

2006
- Won ESWC Malaysia and ended FMJ's long winning streak
- Represented Malaysia at Paris (ESWC)

2007
- Won WCG Malaysia
- Represented Malaysia at Seattle (WCG)
- Participated without our FULL team team, because a member couldn't get a visa

2008
- Left Hybrid to join [LZ] along with syck, nitroN, gavin, hix
- Beat Hybrid in the finals and won second WCG in a row with two different teams back 2 back
- Represented Malaysia at Cologne (WCG)

2009-2010
- Retired

2011
- Took part in WCG for fun, and achieved 4th place in Malaysia
- Counter Strike Online Champions in One Asia Cup

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Ok so now u know the facts of my life =)

hahahha its just get better and better.. dont feed the troll though

I actually have some reserve on this guy judging from what he wrote



Waste sponsors money? you mean the organizer will return back all the sponsor money each year Samsung donated?


The above 2 points look like it is from the perspective of one narrow minded person.

Indonesian team, Singapore team, HK team, many underdog team also can't beat the international team but that doesn't mean they should be blame? this is very bad attitude, Malaysia CS team beat Norway team before, that is a fact and history recorded. Some competition is not about winning, is about how you can promote the game, like in Ukraine, competitive team NaVi were beaten by new team to represent them in WCG final, these youth are given hope and chance to achieve beyond game like the theme of this year WCG 2011.

Samsung sponsored all winning team to compete in grand final, that is the reason each year they donated to each country organizer the funds required to channel to the e-sports athletes. Now I'm quite surprised by your statement as if you will return back the sponsor funds due to winner unable to participate for 3 years consecutively, but each year the grand prize does not increase? In the first place, if the government is sincere about promoting the e-sports it should be free or subsidize, since all the prizes, venues, PC, and cost to run the events are sponsored, where is the cost who will absorbed, off course it has been sponsored, even the event itself is sponsored by the participating team and individual. Do they use back the old PC each year, what happen to the previous PC use to organize the game, I'm sure there are new PC and Samsung monitor each year to promote their products.

Anyhow, the point is not to blame on the organizer, but to promote in international CS circuit like neighbor country Indonesia can do better by sending CS team but Malaysia can't. In coming 2012 and 2013 in CHINA hope things will be better for our local CS talents.

Probably should write a letter to Brad Lee, CEO of World Cyber Games Inc. Our local organizer don't want to waste sponsor money, and that there belittle our local team for not able to beat international team, that's the reason and excuse we were given for the past 3 years. Worst of all, those who complain against the organizer are send bullet and threaten to be slapped such behavior is common as they can't take criticism.

The below last 2 statement is exactly the last 2 points hinted is the same behavior done to our opposition leader. They often enjoy slapping their opposition, threatening them to keep quiet. Once they have power they will do that to silence those who criticize their misdeed.


These people can't be given power, else they will rape your children and throw you out. No difference than beast. Even cow can lived in luxury condominium, so what there wrong?


This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 9 2011, 05:33 PM

I salute your passion for E-Sports and all but your posts are beyond stupidity.

I believe more than 60% of the people reading this thread is probably more aware about the Malaysian politics scene than you think they are even though we may not have opposition flags as our avatars, it takes less than an idiot to know that our current government is not up to par.

Sorry but all your posts are all made without facts (as much as you try to make them look like they are) so I would recommend you to do more research or learn more about the scene before making a fool of yourself, in a public forum.

p/s: WCG does not pay every country a certain amount of figures to send every qualified player to the Grand Final like what you said and this is why you see the different amount of players from different countries every year. It is entirely based on the ability of local organizers to secure the sponsorship deals and decide on the number of players they want to send.

USA is unable to send a single SC2 player to WCG this year despite the amount of exposure SC2 has gotten in the country so I assume the money sudah pergi Obama punya pocket and they should vote him out of the government?


This post has been edited by Ash: Dec 9 2011, 06:08 PM

lol this kid be trollin. nobody is this clueless even after the facts have been laid out for him. but, i might be wrong. he could just be a clueless idiot.

FEED HIM MORE! its my daily go to thread for the funnies.

1. THERE WAS NO REGISTRATION FEE FOR WCG FOR MORE THAN 5 YEARS IN A ROW NOW. Everything is subsidize by the organizer. Players join for FREE.

2. There were more than 300 people from various games who join WCG this year. Do you think less than 100 pcs is more than enough to cover the entire games?

3. Where does the PCS goes after the event? Well of course back to the OWNER of the the PCS because it is RENTED.

4. It is normal to have state qualifiers that allows ANY TEAMS FROM ANY STATES to join as well. THATS WHAT ALL TOURNEYS HAS PRACTICE FOR YEARS DUE TO LACK OF PLAYERS/TEAMS FROM THE SELECTED STATES. It also promotes TOURISM as a side effect if you ask me which is GOOD for the country.

5. Although it is held at PIKOM own Mall, that doesnt mean there is no cost involve such as electricity,water,logistics etc etc. The cost must be borne no matter what. Even if you organize your own tourney in your own house, you still need to pay your own electricity,internet,water etc etc bills right?

6. In 2010, only Ramli Rinie(my idol <3) and Yap Tong Lian was sponsored to Los Angeles by PIKOM due to the high cost of flying & staying in LA for 1 week. Hoe Sheng Chew & Yik Han Wong PAID USING THEIR OWN MONEY TO GO TO LA.

7. Miss WCG was introduce to promote WCG since the demographic of gamers are guys. Its just a mere side events to get attraction which MOST events out there do just like in F1, Motorsports etc etc. Its just a marketing gimmick to attract normal people to be aware & expose of e-Sports.




1. WCG HAS NEVER GIVEN ANY TYPE OF FUNDING FOR ANY ORGANIZER IN THIS WORLD TO HOST WCG. In fact, organizer had to PAY WCG royalty fee every year when they send a player to the grand final. Each of the player cost 1500USD. So can you see why is it so expensive sending a team? I got a good feeling your mathematics is not good so let me calculate for you:


1 player= 1500USD
5 player= 1500USD x 5 player = 7500USD
7500 USD convert to RM(x3) = RM22,500

So get the point? No? Yes of course you wont get it coz your next question is "WCG HAS THOUSANDS of sponsors right?" well look below:


2. The cost of running a tourney is more than what you think it is. U started out with listing out all the sponsors right so i shall explain it your way just in case you might not understand which i think you wont:

Samsung = Only sponsor hardware that is required or related for the tourney such as monitor, Hard drives etc etc. No money given to PIKOM.

PC Sponsors = They sponsors the hardware that is required to create a PC. Most probably ALL IT is the PC manufacturer that uses all the components from the other PC Sponsors. This is where you get your 100pcs. No money given to PIKOM.

Network Sponsors = Sponsors equipments and maybe setting up for the LAN and Internet Network. No money given to PIKOM.

Surge Protector Sponsors = Provide equipments to protect the cabling from thunder or overload. No money given to PIKOM.

Prize Sponsors = This are the guys that provide prizes for the winners. It is very rare that they give cash prizes but most probably they give hardware. Thats why the winner gets a HTC phone which is VERY GOOD compare to previous ones. Might give some money to PIKOM but just for the CASH PRIZES, NOT CASH TO GO TO GRAND FINAL.

Official Game Publishers = This are the guys who would most probably give FREE GIFTS TO ALL PARTICIPANTS and CASH PRIZES and sometimes provide the CASH TO GO TO GRAND FINAL BUT IT IS VERY RARE COZ ITS VERY EXPENSIVE.


The rest of the sponsors are self explanatory. Now how do i know all of this info? Well of course i have A LOT OF EXP in organizing tourneys and you dont. Its a classic case of people who never understand how things work pretends to understand it by acting smart and misquoting every single thing.

So can you see that MOST OF THE SPONSORS DONT SPONSOR CASH? They just sponsor HARDWARES or EQ that they themselves owned. Maybe many people was wondering what does "Endorsed by Ministry of Youth & Sports" means? Well it means this event is approved and recognized by the ministry as a national event THATS ALL. Its just a letter coming out from the gov saying "I approved this event" thats all.

But what effect does this have on the organizer? It means it is much easier for the organizers to convince sponsors to come in since it has approved by the ministry and YES BEING APPROVED BY THE MINISTRY IS REALLY A BIG FACTOR WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES TO SPONSOR.

The question is, why does the gov doesnt give direct sponsorship to PIKOM? Well maybe they are scared if they give money to kids to play games what would people from the opposition(like you) will say? Why waste money on a bunch of kids who play games and has no future right? The next thing you noe its another parlimen agenda which involves WASTING THE RAKYAT'S MONEY.

May i kindly remind you that the Ministry is looking into setting up e-Sports in Malaysia as mentioned by Datuk Shabery himself in 2009 and further enhance his intention when he personally officiate WCG Malaysia 2010. We already have Cyberview Sdn Bhd who setup MYCORE to promote e-Sports in Malaysia so yea maybe if you stop hating people and start to join gaming events in Malaysia you might know about this but i think you are just one of those people who dont really care whats going on in the country and just choose to putar belit and create your own story without even having any strong facts to back it.

Then we have Spotgamers who currently working very hard to set up Malaysia e-Sports League. They have successfully hosted the 1st season 2 weeks ago and it was a great success. Even our friends from Singapore join the league as well. Thats how great and respectful the league was.



You are a very sad case my friend. There were a lot of people in this thread tried to tell you that what you say is not correct but you refuse to accept all the proves given despite the long karangan some of them wrote just for you. Now why do you think everyone here wants you to get the FO? Bcoz you are spreading false information and you still fail to prove anything you said is true. What you are trying to do is spread hatred among the gamers to not vote for the GOV due to the inability of the CS teams in Malaysia to join WCG GF. That is my friend, the most despicable thing a fellow gamer can do to another gamer especially when EVERYTHING that you said has no solid prove at all.

Your first mistake was coming in here trying to mix politic into the gaming community and we all know politic,racism,religious,sexism etc etc should be KICK OUT from SPORTS and that includes E-SPORTS. Your 2nd mistake was spreading facts that is not even true and doesnt even have any solid proves to back it. If its true then everyone here would be fine but unfortunately its full of bull.

So thats the reason why i ask you to GET LOST. Its not that i am being violent towards you, but i am saving you from further disgracing yourself here. I AM HELPING YOU MY FRIEND.

So i hope you will understand what EVERYONE here has been saying from the beginning. If you are a true gentleman, just stop posting and go back to your RWI thread.

You dont belong here.

This post has been edited by Rin @ si_jali: Dec 9 2011, 07:43 PM

That's the reason the entire system is Wrong and need CHANGE. In Ukraine WCG sponsored the winning team. There are more but in Malaysia Boleh land it is different story. So what happen, don't organize it, if they want money don't put their name as Venue sponsor because in actual fact the organizer pay for the venue, why should you put venue sponsor as you are renting the venue. Let those charity venue who can give it free as genuine venue sponsor.

For 3 years in a row nobody realized, those who point out they ask them to go back like asking Malaysian chinese to go back to "Thong San" even China was sponsored.

You enjoy condemning people and thinking on their behalf, opposition will evaluate the benefit of lifting youth beyond game and buy the ideas of e-sports rather than slamming on it as it is healthy and do country proud in international gaming scene, when BN government disagreed with something they tend to give thousand reason even buying a luxury condo meant for the cows are legitimate and what can opposition do? even police keep quiet.

Do you think a govt. than don't bother RM 250 million even police also heck care, will bother about sponsoring WCG? They can also buy submarine without bothering what opposition care. So, why are you behaving like that?

So why are you so afraid and hide the fact these sponsor money is not enough compare to 6 years ago 2nd runner earning more for CS and 6 years later hell break out who took over as organizer and who decide to send team, this is the major downturn of Malaysia CS in international arena.

Don't tell me bull shit when all these sponsor can only afford to organize local final and unable to send players overseas, this is lack of commitment and fail to achieve KPI. Only achieve KPI local final.

There are lack of transparency and internal audit how much collection obtained, and expenditures etc. Whether the event have achieve Key Performance Index.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 9 2011, 08:41 PM

My friend,

WCG as in WCG KOREA has never give money to any country to sponsor their team including Ukraine. If the organizer from Ukraine manage to find sponsors to send all the players then thats good for them. But the fact is NO COUNTRY in this world gets sponsorship from WCG KOREA. Thats what a lot of people has been pointing out since the beginning.

If u r asking for the WCG system to change, you may ask Samsung and WCG KOREA to do so which they wont bcoz thats how they get the money to host the Grand Final.

Do you understand the term of sponsoring? Let say i sponsor free t-shirts to all participants. Yes the t-Shirts is free but on my side it is a COST because to make the t-Shirts i have to pay for it. Its the same thing. PIKOM dont charge the players for using the venue but PIKOM have to bear the cost of running it in its own Mall. So the money to pay the cost comes out from their own pocket. When someone come to your house, they dont pay the electricity/water bills etc etc because considered YOU SPONSOR THEM BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO BEAR THE COST.

So can you understand now that everything that you say is not true? Can you please start to realize that there was no conspiracy theory behind all of this because if yes then i will love you man <3

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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:02 pmLOL and i thought you have stopped at there but you edited your post and continue with this nonsense.

If the opposition give a fcuk about gamers, WHERE THE FCUK ARE THEY NOW? THIS THING HAS BEEN GOING FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS! I DONT SEE ANY OPPOSITION OR POLITICAL PARTIES COME IN AND SAID LETS MAKE E-SPORTS A REALITY. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE COMMUNITY THEMSELVES WHO BRING UP THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY SUPPORT FROM ANY POLITICAL PARTIES.

And there is a very good reason why we want to keep it that way, its because WE WANT TO KEEP IT CLEAN FROM THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WILL MAKE USE OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY FOR YOUR POLITICAL AGENDA. It doesnt matter from which side of the parties you are, WE DONT WANT ANY INTERFERENCE FROM ANY POLITICAL PARTY YOU GOT THAT?

At least the ministry recognized e-Sports as part of sports, unlike other countries who banned gaming. Thats a good start but of course not good enough to bring e-Sports to the next level.

Did you know? In2 Marketing was the 1st organizer of WCG in Malaysia until in 2009 when they can only manage to host it in a Cybercafe due to lack of support from sponsors? Only when PIKOM take over WCG Malaysia has slowly gained its glory again. All gamers who join WCG can see that PIKOM is sweating it all out to make it work although they are struggling to keep it alive but YOU belittle them as if you know how to run a tourney.

Why sponsor money is less? Well the reason is very simple. Last time e-Sports was at its peak. Now its barely surviving. Last time there was no economy breakdown. Now we are still going through economy breakdown. Last time you can easily ask sponsorship from sponsors. Now ask them to give free gifts oso they dont wan coz NO MONEY. So can you understand already? PIKOM take over WCG in the worst possible year to host an international event but look how they made it through? Can others do that?

Sponsors achieving KPI? You gotta be kididng me. If the sponsors trully thinks like YOU the only thing they ask "If i give 1k can i get back 10k?". Luckily, all this sponsors are very kind enough in giving out sponsorship without asking much in return. If they were to think like YOU most probably we wont even have WCG at all.

If you want to know how much PIKOM has spend for WCG, why dont you ask them directly instead of ASSUMING they are corrupted? But of course you wont ask them coz you are AFRAID OF THE TRUTH.

So stop your political propaganda here because NONE of the people here care the shit about it. It got more worst when you come in with your false accusation.

Go back to your RWI Thread. You dont belong here.

This post has been edited by Rin @ si_jali: Dec 9 2011, 09:14 PM

The organizer must change. There are so many weaknesses, instead of sponsor, it is paying to get sponsor, then what is the meaning of sponsor, if you need to pay sponsor and put their name as sponsor.

Like that also can, really Boleh. Really corrupt.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 9 2011, 09:20 PM

Who is paying to get sponsor??? And who pays the sponsor???

You said venue is sponsor by Pikom (venue sponsor) but in reality, the organizer have to fork out money to pay back Pikom. So who is paying the venue sponsor?

THE ORGANIZER IS PIKOM!

Dear Mr. Snoxd,

FYI, PIKOM is not only the organizer, they are also the one who provides the venue which is at PIKOM ICT MALL at Capsquare.

Wonder if you went there during WCG 2011 and saw how CS 1.6 play. If not, you better stop your accusations on Govt needs to change and what not.

Honestly, I am not a supporter of BN but with people like you mixing e-sports with politics, you just making things worst.

And yet YOU HAVEN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION YET.
If you can assure that PR can support these gamers' rights (especially youths), I believe these young guns are ready to vote for PR.

Sorry but sometimes because people like you, we felt under-appreciated. Si_Jali have worked so hard to get venues and sponsors and even established Spotgamers and yet you still think the whole scene is to blame because Malaysia didn't send CS 1.6 team to WCG.

Please, don't make the scene worst while it's on the route of getting bigger.

This post has been edited by TPK: Dec 10 2011, 01:11 AM

PIKOM is a sponsored mean they must set aside these fund to accomodate for the event. How can PIKOM then complain about not getting enough to sponsor and blame on players not able to beat international team and waste of sponsor money.

Tomorrow will be a good match, our neighbor Indonesia CS contingent managed to squeeze in the last 12 final against France team Gillaume_NTEP

The intense match to watch will be Ukraine DTS vs Sweden SK Gaming

How Pikom do their budget? sponsor is under expenditure line item, whereas you don't recognize revenue to compensate for electricity, rental etc because those are not consider sponsor it is daily operation whether you incur or not is a fixed expenditure PIKOM will have to bear. Unless Pikom charge from sponsor (pool of money) then they can't claim that PIKOM is venue sponsor. The definition of venue sponsor is PIKOM provide the entire venue free of charge to cover the entire event and receive no money. It is not consider sponsor if the organizer charge a bill at the end of event and recognize both income and expense to net off the book difference in PIKOM account sure there are balance in PIKOM account after transferring all the prize money or cash out to the winners. So what is the balance after deducting sponsorship to 2011 WCG, no more or not enough? or don't want to waste PIKOM money, and 2012 and 2013 will be the same excuse since all sponsor are consider "Money Not Enough" or waste of money for these team especially CS.

Every year also Money no Enough but root cause is not tackle, it must be rectified else things will be the same for 2012 and 2013. What happen to 2001 and those glory year where CS team were sent? what is going on? I believe those who have voice out already been shoot dead by you so what is the point, so just let it goes on and on. Let's eat rice and enjoy a good sleep then wake up tomorrow will be better 2012 and 2013 can see some CS talents from Malaysia competing in China.

One guy doesn't work, you need a team of people as well as people who can voice out the root cause of why Malaysia can't afford to send representative to compete. How do you judge success? you mean success to organize in local only? there must be higher level Malaysian can do like consistently sending team to participate overseas, and this will encourage more sponsor participants. Nobody is pointing a finger, but it is clear how he react when people barking at some concern, but that doesn't mean criticism should be silenced. Do anyone benchmark and learn how Indonesia do it?

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 10 2011, 02:24 AM

1. When did PIKOM blame players? Please quote PIKOM saying this.

2. Dont you get it? PIKOM NEVER ASK MONEY FROM SPONSORS FOR THE VENUE. THEY USE THEIR OWN MALL FOR THE VENUE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FREE SINCE DAY 1! THATS WHY ITS CALLED VENUE SPONSOR! However, they still need to bare their own cost such as electricity etc etc. You think using hundreds of PCs for 3 days doesnt increase the electricity bills?


I really dont understand why are you still repeating this over and over again. Im not sure if you are truly clueless or you just acting like one. Im just amaze on how you can just keep on saying things without even understanding anything that has been said time and time again.

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Added on December 10, 2011, 2:23 amI lazy to repeat so i just quote it again:


If you still do not understand im not surprise. And no all of those who voice out are still well alive and kicking. Instead of doing this rubbish talk like you, they choose to do something about it such as setting up their own clan, training, seeking for sponsors etc etc.

Unlike you, they are smart enough to do something about it rather than spreading propaganda like you.

This post has been edited by Rin @ si_jali: Dec 10 2011, 02:26 AM

You have done a lot for local, and hope 2012 & 2013 you can raise your effort to send team to China for the 2012 & 2013 WCG. Nobody can then ask why 3 years still unable to perform, they look at the result it speak louder. Also it is a team effort to convince your management. Since the account is not audited, how much sponsor money you get minus all the expenditure, the balance after giving prizes, how do you want people to believe the money is not pocketed by someone? What is the actual receipt, actual expenditure, nobody know except few when ask then tell people to keep quiet don't ask don't busybody or none of your business. So off course, then look at something fishy, every year so many sponsor somehow for 3 years they still unable to send any team, something is wrong somewhere.



This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 10 2011, 02:36 AM

1. It seems that your strategy is if you cant win an argument and you donno what to say already you will praise them? Good Job

2. IM NOT THE ORGANIZER OF WCG. ITS PIKOM! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SKYRIM GET IT ALREADY!

3. If you really really need to know, why dont you contact PIKOM and ask for the P&L for WCG this year. Here let me give you a hand here is their contact number: 03-7955 2922

4. For the sponsor part again i quote:


There is nothing wrong. The only thing that is wrong is you.

Now do your job as a loyal citizen of Malaysia by contacting PIKOM and ask for all of those relevant documents from them and stop posting any assumption. Once you have done, you may publish it here and prove to all of us that the money goes to someone else pocket.

This post has been edited by Rin @ si_jali: Dec 10 2011, 02:55 AM

PIKOM need to justify where all the sponsor funds goes, is it really that short of sponsor to send players overseas to compete for the past 3 years.

This question will continue to haunt PIKOM if 2012 and 2013 they still did not want to change their way of handling sponsored fund.

Malaysia has not advance much since 2001 till 2011, the level is participation is not consistent, basically they just want to organize game and that is their success and achievement it is just half done, what about harnessing international standard, like badminton we have Dato Lee Chong Wei, squash we have Nicol David, but these individual have been send overseas for competition for so many times. If Cyber athletes were given chance to go overseas, they will be time they can learn and probably beat some international powerhouse.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 10 2011, 10:13 AM

1. Despite all the breakdown i have done on the sponsorship part YOU STILL DONT GET IT DO YOU. Im not surprise since you have ZERO exp in organizing a tourney.

2. Let me repeat again since you like to repeat as well: If you really really need to know, why dont you contact PIKOM and ask for the P&L for WCG this year. Here let me give you a hand here is their contact number: 03-7955 2922


Stop repeating and do your part.

They must be change, vote for change else 2012 & 2013 will still the same old lame excuse. As it is the only excuse they find it is legitimate and players respected that, so many Malaysian youth will be cheated.

If there is a change in government where will all the dirty people hiding?

Even Malaysia police or MACC also can't do anything.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 11 2011, 03:50 AM

how..? wait, what..?! BAHAHA

I think the person who need to change first is you

hahahahahahah my goodness..rin i should buy you a drink after all that explaining.

i guess to some..its just error 404 - common sense not found

Thailand managed to win Silver Medal in Special Force.

Malaysia somehow has all the talents compare to Thailand, no chance to get close to any medal, participation since 2001.





Just make it official 2011 then Thailand got Silver, very successful planning indeed. Malaysia organizer still stick to the plan asking those people who criticize to change while they Masuk Pocket all the funds this hopefully will not work in 2012 & 2013 else Malaysian cyber athletes will suffer another chance to participate in Kun Shan, China then there will give reason saying no point to send players, 1) they can't win 2) no halal chef 3) no point answering the reason why not sponsor team to go there 4) costly, if these people continue to manage the sponsor money everything will become expensive.



Since 2010, WCG organize more 5 v 5 team competition rather than CS 1.6 look like there is still hope because SMM only monopolize Valve, but sure they will soon monopolize all Malaysia cyber games like godfather then the organizer will continue to harass, and insult whoever oppose to the plan like what they are doing now.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 11 2011, 07:02 PM

Man, I dont know what to say anymore.

I'm sorry but this is just too stupid.

Good luck have fun in ur:

1. anti-government
2. anti-corruption
3. anti-sponsors
4. anti-event organizers
5. anti-life?

At the end of the day Im sure if you got stopped speeding, you also rasuah =) Ohwell!



Thumbs up ONLY for your DETERMINATION for CHANGE. Nothing else.

I have no idea what to say to you anymore

Every sponsorship in the world is the same, companies/organizations sponsor events/leagues/etc to publicize their brand and garner more customer base. So I dont see where your coming from.

I am too lazy to reply your dumb posts anymore, this has nothing to do with esports as we can see, but just trying to brainwash the rest of us with the oppositions manipulative ways (as usual). This should go under the Politics thread not here.

did his post get deleted? rofl. thanks for the laughs man. will be looking forward to another thread after wcg 2012.

Malaysian youth need to realize that corruption has become so bad that even the prize money and sponsor are now subjective, but the worst is not over the worst is that they blame on the team that can't beat international team.

1. anti-government - not functioning
2. anti-corruption - pay to get sponsor, ridiculous country?
3. anti-sponsors - have to pay the sponsor, misused of public funds
4. anti-event organizers - organizer simply organize event, and those event are participated by other countries like China and Singaporean, Malaysian got crumbs left.
5. anti-life? - Cyber athletes life suffer for third year in CS, no ambition of medal, the other game preliminary already "bungkus" there are no plan for the livelihood of Malaysia CS 1.6 hope in 2012 & 2013 in Kun Shan, there will be some Malaysia team in action again in CS.

Are you ignorant?

Whether ignorance will continue, will have to see 2012 & 2013 WCG final at Kunshan China whether Malaysian organizer will continue to deny Malaysian CS winner to compete in WCG Final for the 4th & 5th year due to 1) They can't beat international team waste sponsor money

Previous WCG global finals held in
2001 – Seoul, Korea
2002 - Daejeon, Korea,
2003 - Seoul, Korea
2004 – San Francisco, USA
2005 – Suntec City, Singapore
2006 – Monza, Italy
2007 – Seattle, USA,
2008 – Cologne, Germany,
2009 – Chengdu, China
2010 – Los Angeles, USA
2011 - Busan, Korea
2012 - Kunshan, China
2013 - Kunshan, China
2014 - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (ha.... joke)

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 13 2011, 12:55 AM

You're freaking cute mr snodx

Nothing is more freaking cute then a country unable to send their CS 1.6 team to compete in international final for the 4th & 5th year in Kunshan due to same old scrappy reason for the past 3 years.



We want them in, and in mean they get what they deserve.

They deserve the chance for international exposure!!!!




Not CS but other game Asian WCG Champion in Dota and Dota2 and bronze for tekken. No slot for Tekken to represent Malaysia.


Why is it so worry to improve in managing the funds, how to get more sponsor, and how sponsor money should be allocated.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Dec 13 2011, 01:15 AM

Yes the ignorant does continue from you congratz!

Why dont you host your own tourney? You seems such a brilliant ignorant guy.