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post Dec 16 2011, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(calcom21 @ Dec 16 2011, 01:35 PM)
seem like too many negative on Zefer... i was there on the preview too...
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what's your opinion on this project?
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post Jan 27 2012, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(lms11 @ Jan 27 2012, 04:42 PM)
Just visited their sales office today and they've opened all the units for booking now. The taken rate so far is around 10%++. Still got lots of unit ...
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That is considering very poor since they had open sales for insiders and repeater buyers for some time..
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post Jan 27 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Jan 27 2012, 06:33 PM)
That's very low. I thought the location is quite near IOI.
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this is on top of the hill together with villamas, atmosfera etc etc..
to be more specific, zefer is built beside the slope

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post Jan 27 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Jan 27 2012, 06:51 PM)
Hmm, wonder why the sales is so bad. The condo design looks like without a roof, so flat.
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High pricing, not so easy accessibility, high density on hill top and the dodgy slope.. ppl fear of landslide nowadays

with that pricing, better off with other subsale developement
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post Feb 19 2012, 11:58 PM

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they invited map guru mr HoChinSoon to giv a talk.. interestingly in his center gravity theory, the point has been shifted down south from PJ to kinrara army camp.. due to active construction and development in the southern corridor.. and his prime area radius has been extended from 15 to 20km.. the point is now at north of puchong.. no wonder villamas invited him to giv the talk as the new center point is quite near to puchong jaya..

but the main point that turn me off is the slope.. zefer is actually building on the slope..

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post Feb 20 2012, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(Chunkit9 @ Feb 19 2012, 10:28 PM)
I went to the sales gallery today. I quite interested in this condo.. Look so high class.. And i like the feel being at the top... But the price is too high.. Extreamely high... 500 to 1mil for a condo, think puchong is bangsar mea.... And the road access is too congested.... Sighhh.... Will they drop the price???
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bangsar dont sell 400psft nowadays... puchong is...
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post Mar 13 2012, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Mar 13 2012, 10:53 AM)
smile.gif Few years back, when only Sri Bayu and Villamas Apt are there.. The location is very nice.. with upcoming 3 condos there, i moved out..


Added on March 13, 2012, 11:10 am

There is no good reference for Villamas as only 2 medium end apartments completed by them.. Villamas Apt and 1 apt somewhere behind bukit jalil there.. 1st of all, all developers only think about profit.. It's also depend on who is main contractor to contruct the condo..

There are many problems with the owner unit at Villamas Apt.. and developer is 'tidak apa' type.. but what i love about resident in Villamas Apt, they have very good JMB...  biggrin.gif
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Villa Pavilion maintainence not bad also.. Henry Butcher managing the apartment.. Just got my villa pavilion disposed after owning it for 5 yrs..
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post Mar 14 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(hornbill_78 @ Mar 14 2012, 04:18 PM)
Bandar kinrara itselt also have just one access la...
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dont make me laugh...


Added on March 14, 2012, 11:49 pm
QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 14 2012, 05:32 PM)
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there are so many bk...

bk 1 2 3 have different access...

the bigger bk enclave has more than 3 access..
bk5 ramp and tunnel
giant traffic light
bk9 ramp
thru puncak jalil and out from equine
traffic light near nersury


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post Mar 15 2012, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(hornbill_78 @ Mar 15 2012, 10:16 PM)
your forget all access eventually are bottleneck connect to Bukit Jalil highway that mean one access lo.. morning terrible jam!!

Zefer via Jalan pipit you can choose using LDP or Jalan Puchong.
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already told u more than 1 lo... either bj expressway (dun say highway la.. which highway got traffic light one), or via equine lo.. there are so many access to get to bj expressway, summore bj express can split to ldp, sg besi, besraya, or kesas also.. summore SKfolk adi mention 1 more access under the bridge straight to jalan puchong.. u know kinrara one or not rclxub.gif

zefer also 1 access lo.. all hav to stuck at jalan pipit before spliting to jalan puchong or ldp wat.. u think jalan puchong not jam meh.. u know puchong one or not...whistling.gif
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post Mar 19 2012, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(Dracula_X @ Mar 18 2012, 04:14 PM)
Zefer is high end luxury condo, it is the first luxury condo in Puchong. Risk is always there.
Check the spec and facilities of Zefer, <RM400 per square feet for a luxury condo, it is considered cheap.
Free hot water boiler for all main bathrooms, will have hot water for basin and shower, just turn left turn right, like hotel.
Light and ceiling fan points are ready, no need addition work to hack wall to add ceiling fan point (usually developer only provides 1 light point in the middle)
Air-cond point for all the main rooms, but not sure about the copper and water piping, think should be given by developer gua ???
Infinity swimming pool, facing Sunway, nothing is blocking at present. At KL, almost all the luxury condo infinity swimming pools view are blocked by the buildings beside.

Anyway, surrounding is one of the point, as what mentioned by the people here, traffic condition, etc.
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when Atmosfera was launched, villamas say its the 1st luxury condo in puchong.. now zefer also 1st luxury.. Zen residence also 1st luxury, trigon also 1st luxury..

I can understand different developer competing claiming "1st luxury" of their respective product.. but for villamas claiming both their product as 1st luxury sound kinna weird shakehead.gif
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post Mar 21 2012, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Dracula_X @ Mar 21 2012, 12:06 AM)
I am not.
My colleague beside and I always talk about this property.
He planned to buy a unit, because thinking too long, the type that he want is already bought by other people, only left those lower floor units.
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maybe your fren can wait for skypod, of cos, no more 400psft kind of pricing
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post Mar 21 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(hornbill_78 @ Mar 21 2012, 02:23 PM)
actually zefer is target to high income group.
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high income group live in semiD bungalow in BPP n Kinrara..
lets be realistic, villamas know nothing about luxury condo. its just condo with swimming pool and some facilities..

look at their atmosfera, they market it as luxury condo and facade is so dated..

if u wan to see what real luxury high income condo, take a drive to MK..
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post Mar 22 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Dracula_X @ Mar 21 2012, 11:59 PM)
Ai ya ... Puchong property can't fight with those in MK. The price, services, the people, etc., all are different.

Another new property there, eh ... It can happen. So many developers in Klang Valley, they can just buy a few factories, then will have enough land to build the things that they want.
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You say it yourself, how can puchong property fight wth MK.. still luxury ?? brows.gif
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post Mar 22 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Dracula_X @ Mar 22 2012, 11:51 AM)
Based on the unit spec and facilities, I believe Zefer can be categorized as luxury. It will be better if tennis court is there.

For those luxury condos in MK, what extra things that make it more luxury (the location) ?

If Zefer is built at MK, people will have different view about it liao ... I focus on property itself only.
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you really need to pay a visit to MK liao... or even troika, binjai in KLCC

mind you, not all condos in MK are luxury condo... Casa Kiara, Vista, Pelangi, laman suria are just condo, but pricing 400 - 500psft.. like doomdoom list out, those luxury condo like MK10, MK11

some of the condos in Damansara have better specs but dont think those are called luxury condos..

Take alook at YTL Saffron 1000sqft pricing between 500 to 600k perunit, very nicely layout, facilities and spec.. that is not categorized as luxury condo also

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QUOTE(abgkik @ Mar 29 2012, 12:46 AM)
sweet talker  wink.gif
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yes.. see alot of ppl went for Ho Chin Soon free property talk, free buffet, then just walk off..
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post Mar 31 2012, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Mar 31 2012, 03:50 PM)
If like that, it shown that BK area as at today, for highrise anything above RM 500 psf is not in strong market demand yet.

Hopefully next half a year later, it would be change tremendously.
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it is always the case..

when all developer selling at 500psft in puchong later on, the public will slowly perceive that is the benchmark for puchong pricing..

just like when SW solace selling 320psft, ppl think buyers are sohai at that time.. but the mindset shifted when developers are selling 300-350psft in not so attractive places..

for those who have foresight will realize the potential.. i predict most developer will be going 500psft in puchong by end of this year, starting with Duet which already started, IOI skypod (640unit) price indication from the word of mouth in IOI gallery gonna be 500-600psft.. another Skyz by IOI (1000unit) in puchong jaya... no new on the Rimba Residence pricing...
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post Mar 31 2012, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Dracula_X @ Mar 31 2012, 05:01 PM)
Bubble bubble ???
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everyone can choose to believe whether its overinflated and adopt to wait and see... it could burst n catch big fish with 20% below market, or pay another 20% higher in the next few years..
last year a friend release her booking in other project thinking property will crash this year, to her dissapointment, the condo price had escalated 20% more than her previous booking.
i wont say whats gonna happen few years down the road.. only those who had done enough analysis and homework will dare to predict what happen next..

as of now till end of the year, i foresee puchong price will b escalting when IOI come in and play again in 2H of the year..

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Mar 31 2012, 06:23 PM)
Yes. Not so healthy. 7% appreciation per year still ok. More than 10 % per year doesnt look good. It is not affordable.
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on a 20 year horizon, 1990 till 2010, KL property price index only increase by average 2.99% perannum, selangor 4.04%
on a 10 year horizon, 2000 till 2010, KL price index increase on average 4.74% perannum while, selangor 3.05%..

despite with the huge increase during 2009 and 2010, this shows that our property price has been stagnant for a very long period..

capital of neighboring countries like Jakarta has even higher price index than ours..

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Mar 31 2012, 06:43 PM)
Yes.

Most developer launch an unexpected high price not only in Puchong, but actually almost everywhere. I found a lot of new launching overprice by 10%, some of it even 15%, and also got some at 20-30% higher ...

RM 500 psf as at today for Puchong highrise, of course is to be expensive ... it was all due to Puchong is currently a famous for landed houses, and for completed, The Zest is currently consider occupying the most high end completed highrise at Puchong until all those Duet, Zefer and Skypod complete.

For Rimba by Know Group, i expect it in the range of RM 480-530 psf onwards ... given its another range of all corner or 8 units per floor concept and about 5% discount without DIBS scheme.

I tend to see how is Skypod and Skyz doing when they launch it. Although IOI is taikor at Puchong, and their landed received overwhelming response no matter what is the pricing, but I tend to see what is the response for their highrise ...

Would in 3 years time, Kinrara + Bkt Jalil condos able to catch up Mont Kiara condos?

I dont see the bubble this 2 years ( my forecast only ), but risk is increasing .. anyhow, i still rate Kinrara + Bkt Jalil more than any other places ... even most Valuers not willing to offer high valuation and consider MK price to be remain stagnant at the moment ...
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puchong n Bj is already a popular choice for middle income group as its still affordable. BJ close to KL city while Puchong is right in the middle of Putra/Cyberjaya and PJ.. there is more and more commercial vibrancy around this region..

Most important attarction is still the up coming LRT..

looking at Psqft pricing, MK pricing is not that exclusive anymore.. Trigon now set a new benchmark in puchong.. If you can afford 500psft, alot to choose in MK.. of course not new ones.. (but MK amenities still awesome, got money can stay there, but havto bare with the traffic la)
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post Apr 1 2012, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Chunkit9 @ Apr 1 2012, 11:17 PM)
ehh no la, if i not mistaken, Zest price is higher than Atmosfera..
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atmosfera higher than zest... i was there 3 years ago comparing 4 hot new launch in puchong.. sw, zen, atmos & zest..

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