FYI JM also not a professional player.

got la... at least at second division of portugal league.

can't find any on AVB.

jose inter's interview

anyway thats not the point. the point is, team is becoming lauk. just watched Debryune's shoot and assist on youtube. this guy is good. got pace and shoot always swing2 one.

yeah, thats not the point even those managers with playing experience also not that good @ club management maradona & roy keane for example.

Currently our standout performers were Sturridge, Mata, Romeu, A.Cole,and the injured Lampard and Ramires. Others were non impact players.....

Got one report saying Sergio Ramos bust up with Jose because Ramos accuse Jose something about never being a professional player before.

AVB is human also, humans understand human. Good enough already.

And I don't get why you all want Cahill to play. We rarely let in goals now, stable back four is better than bringing in new player. Not as if bringing Cahill can help us score goals and win anyway.

don't know if you guys here have read this http://www.chelseadaft.org/2012/02/torres-...-its-going.html

Very nice statistic. Not only showing that our lack of passing quality in defensive third, and this eventually reflects the problem of us penetrating the opponent defense too. City is a good reference to learn how to build the attack from the back.

This post has been edited by ericling: Feb 2 2012, 02:34 PM

read it awhile back. what he wrote is correct to some extend, but i dont think chelsea's playstyle is 100% responsible for his form now. i have to admit that torres himself has lost his confidence in shooting.. you can see from these few games that he preferred to pass the ball and create chances for the others rather than shooting the goal himself

+10

nice statistics there

i am totally behind torres and i stand to what i said several version before this that he is not getting the service from midfield. pity him. with the price tag, he is bound to try to prove himself but with current condition, i don't think he can do it.

we are so used with the kind of play when drogba is with us but soon people will realize that drogba's time is just around the corner and sooner or later, you'll have to change your style of play. drogba is a rare breed, the same with torres. but one is a brute, and the other one is classy. drogba justify his worth with people around him played to his strength but this is not the case for torres.

i am aware of a youngster nicked el-nino during his time at athletico and i am amazed when he destroyed us as a liverpool player. and since he is already a blue, i am going to support him through this rough situation. for me, i strongly believe he is our future.

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Added on February 2, 2012, 5:48 pmquoted from http://www.chelseadaft.org/2012/02/torres-...-its-going.html

"Torres was terrible the last game. He had some terrible games last season. But this year? Out of the 6 games played, I would say Torres was at least top 3 player in 5 of those games. He wasn't good against Swansea. But guess what, no one else was either!

Yes, he has to be more aggressive in the box. Attack crappy crosses etc. But at the end of the day, he plays the way he plays. Why is Chelsea ruining him by asking him to be a mediocre version of a Drogba? Even Drogba isn't a good version of Drogba nowadays. Why is it so impossible to lay down a handful of good passes for Torres to run onto each game? I posted a video in another post of Torres where he got 2 goals against Sunderland in 2010. He had THREE misses in the game in addition to those 2 goals. Strikers miss. I know BIG NEWS. But if you give your striker a handful of chances, he'll put one or two in. Right now Torres' range of chances per game run from 0 to 1. He needs to do better no doubt. I'll say it, sometimes he's pretty shit! But hey, there have been games where he's pretty good and yet doesn't get one single chance near goal. How sad is that?

I think it says a lot that in the last game, Lukaku came on for Malouda. Torres, the rightfooted CF, went back to play left wing/midfielder! It's not like Torres was going to be any worse than Malouda out there. And even though it was an off day for him, in the few minutes he played in that position, he managed a fantastic long over the top pass down the line for a either Cole/Essien to cross. The TV guy got a hump because Torres as the CF wasn't there for the cross. Then he shut it because it probably dawned on him that Torres made the pass from near middle of the field. Unfortunately, Torres will probably have to perfect the art of passing to himself for the rest of Chelsea career.

Lastly, Torres, recovering from 2 knee surgeries and a thigh muscle tear, still managed 9 goals for a crappy Liverpool team in half a season and change. And yet he's only had 5 goals in a year for Chelsea. Now, you tell me, what's wrong with this picture? If he had stayed with LFC in 2011, he was pace to finish with 15-18 goals and likely would have gotten over 20 playing with Suarez. And yet, he managed one goal with Chelsea.

I know many LFC fans despise him now and waste little opportunity to say how shit he is. But even some of them will shake their heads and ask why is Chelsea playing Torres all wrong. They are enjoying it of course! "

totally agree with this

This post has been edited by dynames07: Feb 2 2012, 05:48 PM

No matter how suck a player is, we still must support them. A little criticism is ok though.

I know Malouda is pretty bad now, but we must remember he did save us a few times before, it's sad to see some fans criticise him when he appears in the line-up instead of hoping he performs well that game. Wonder how Malouda feels knowing even if he perform decent enough, fans won't stopping criticizing him.

Only players deserving bad treatment are players like Carlos Tevez ( eg: troublemaker in the club)

ballotelli? did save mancity several times but really an ahole of a team.

if u ask me, strikers who are desperate for goals will always tend to shoot for themselves
however he's not malouda/ sturridge who 7/10 will shoot for themselves.

i dont believe he dont want to shoot, he's just being a team player. if he has no confidence.. he wont drop down to pickup the ball and go wider to beat 2-3 defenders at ease.

Balotelli is a genius He love the club at least, whereas Tevez hates Man City now.


Malouda said before he loves the club. He helped us win the title 2 seasons ago. We can criticise him for his bad performance after a game, but I still feel he deserve some respect as he's still our player and shouldn't be talked bad week in week out.

You don't see Man Utd fans saying " Oh damn, Gary Neville in starting line-up again!" 1/2 seasons ago eventhough he wasn't his best anymore that time.

Team player or not, if you don't shoot , you don't score goals.

If fact, who do you think is better? Torres with 10 assist and 2 goals or Sturridge with 7 goals with 2/3 assists.

You can't blame Malouda for shooting, I feel there's no other way for him to get back our support other than to score 10 goals from now on.

I don't think Torres lost confidence in his ability, I think he just feels no matter what he do, luck won't be on his side. If he had even 1% good luck( he is having very bad luck now) , he would had score against Stoke City ,Man Utd, Aston Villa and Sunderland . In those games, any player with decent enough luck would had scored a goal.

Seems like he takes ages now to decide what to do on the ball. When he does do his odd dribbles, he can run past players, though often without supporting runs from midfield , causing him to run into further defenders after beating one.

This post has been edited by HumbleCMY: Feb 2 2012, 07:36 PM

i'm not saying shooting is bad idea..
did i blame anyone? nahh.
(dont want to go for that chapter, i'll pass to the others)
what i'm saying if torres is a desperate-needforgoals-alloutshoot striker, those 11 assists wont happen. which costs us 11 goals.

of course ppl evaluate strikers with goals, and torres for sure wants to prove himself as a goal poacher, but no individual is bigger than the club itself.

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: Feb 2 2012, 07:44 PM

Sad thing for Torres is, if he doesn;t start to score soon regardless of poor service, I don't think even AVB will start him anymore.

Even if he gets 20 assists, he'll still be considered a 50million flop if he doesn't even score 10. No that we would mind though. The team still comes first.

I guess all CHELSEA fan will have no problem supporting TORRES even back at the times with SHEVA. But champion league football (indirectly our club reputation) is a bigger stake. You can say the current formation/tactic or current crop of player not suitable for TORRES but we have to face reality that looking at the past few games AVB not really changing his 443 or have any other game plan that work for TORRES and transfer window have pass yet no player is brought in to help him. Be it LUKAKU or DROGBA if they play better with current formation and player that help us win games they should start, same apply to other player. At first people say he dont get his run of games with DROGBA around, now with a month of games and people say our midfield is bad and he is not getting service, yes is really bad with all those back pass side pass but what if LUKAKU play better with this current bad midfield and we win games ? what is DROGBA return and we win with this bad midfield ?

All i want to point out is that, support TORRES is one thing, who know one day AVB might come out with a game plan that make TORRES shine but at the moment CHELSEA top 4 finish is more important, so whoever work best for the team and the result get to play.

confirm lineup dis weekend ...

--------------cech
fereira-ivanovic-luiz-bosingwa
-------------romeu---
------meireles--malouda----
studge------torres-----mata----

komfom punya arrrr ... x tipu ..

mana ade yang 100% confirm sebelum masuk padang?

manager always tipu main strategy la..

beside, mana cahill???