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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum! V25, Keep it up!!! Old and Retro machines

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post Aug 22 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 22 2012, 09:39 AM)
haha.. its like dat.. unless u go custom made shocks.... @.@
d name is act sarcasm... they said its kereta kebal becoz of d body material use is darn nipis steel... d name appeared after d launching of saga lmst.. saga n iswara version b4 lmst r way way better body material..
correcto... d rear no matter wat u pair is d weakness point of suspension system.. i use hwl 6k front n rear 4k. i had to reduce d front stiffness to 5k in order to reduce d understeering condition.. it works where i can carry +20kmh more speed than b4..but after exceed more than +20kmh, d understeer prob came back.. no money to buy spring to experiment d...lol
u can ask shawn.. i think he got change his iswara headlamp to lmst as he had accident b4..
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yeah no doubt it is.. i drove my cousin's lmst around b4, seriously the dashboard, interior door all are so hollow until i knock it also can feel like very thin plastic only. not sure if its my feel or what, saga lmst has smaller passenger compartment compared to saga iswara.

frankly speaking, i have no idea what is the spring rate of my suspension. asked few of the sellers, all of them told me no idea.. dafuq lol.
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post Aug 22 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Aug 22 2012, 11:58 AM)
yeah no doubt it is.. i drove my cousin's lmst around b4, seriously the dashboard, interior door all are so hollow until i knock it also can feel like very thin plastic only. not sure if its my feel or what, saga lmst has smaller passenger compartment compared to saga iswara.

frankly speaking, i have no idea what is the spring rate of my suspension. asked few of the sellers, all of them told me no idea.. dafuq lol.
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lol...

lowered spring doesnt states out d spring rate. d spring rate usually for those coilover..u need to measured it urself n can b done easily for linear spring.. https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?...77312513&type=3

usuallly, stock/lowered springs r rate 2k +-...lol


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post Aug 22 2012, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 22 2012, 10:22 AM)
need to mod the whole front, fender and bonnet.

at least thats the case for mine.
my front's fully LMST now lol
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oh man.. im goin to cancel the project then. lazy to mod2. = =
thanks for info~
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just curious, for 1.3 MT saga iswara aeroback, completely stock, what's the usual mileage ah?......from full tank to the fuel indicator light up I'm getting around 400-450....speed is like 80-100 km/h, normal acceleration, RPM also paling paling 3 like that.
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post Aug 22 2012, 04:22 PM

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I'm getting 10km/l.... so 400-450 for a full tank is very good i think.



QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 22 2012, 04:19 PM)
just curious, for 1.3 MT saga iswara aeroback, completely stock, what's the usual mileage ah?......from full tank to the fuel indicator light up I'm getting around 400-450....speed is like 80-100 km/h, normal acceleration, RPM also paling paling 3 like that.
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post Aug 22 2012, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Aug 22 2012, 05:22 PM)
I'm getting 10km/l.... so 400-450 for a full tank is very good i think.
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that's so good
my iswara year 2000 model
going around 8km,liter
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oh really?...that's good then...I thought it was bad >_<..what's the fuel tank capacity btw?, 45litre?
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 22 2012, 02:35 PM)
lol...

lowered spring doesnt states out d spring rate. d spring rate usually for those coilover..u need to measured it urself n can b done easily for linear spring.. https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?...77312513&type=3

usuallly, stock/lowered springs r rate 2k +-...lol
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content not available lol.. 2k+-? thats like so low lol. 5-6k rate wouldnt it be too stiff?

QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Aug 22 2012, 04:22 PM)
I'm getting 10km/l.... so 400-450 for a full tank is very good i think.
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very good.. ill be damn happy if i can reach 380km per tank. so far now mine 3speed auto can reach 300~320km per tank only.. sigh.. before top overhaul, managed to get 250~270km per tank only.

QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 22 2012, 04:48 PM)
oh really?...that's good then...I thought it was bad >_<..what's the fuel tank capacity btw?, 45litre?
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iirc, 40litre.
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:12 PM

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It's 45 liters...

http://web.archive.org/web/19991110145426/...on/isaero13.htm

QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 22 2012, 04:48 PM)
oh really?...that's good then...I thought it was bad >_<..what's the fuel tank capacity btw?, 45litre?
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 22 2012, 04:48 PM)
oh really?...that's good then...I thought it was bad >_<..what's the fuel tank capacity btw?, 45litre?
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my iswara aeroback can pump up till 45+ liter, so chances are it is 50liters (IINM the spec from eon.com.my, which is now gone states 50liters)

else, 45liters seems to be accurate too. definitely not lower than that smile.gif

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checking back my android app, yeap 45liters biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 22 2012, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Aug 22 2012, 05:08 PM)
content not available lol.. 2k+-? thats like so low lol. 5-6k rate wouldnt it be too stiff?
very good.. ill be damn happy if i can reach 380km per tank. so far now mine 3speed auto can reach 300~320km per tank only.. sigh.. before top overhaul, managed to get 250~270km per tank only.
iirc, 40litre.
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ooo... i thought its public... try add drex chan from ea autoworks.

yup,5-6k is much stiff than stock. n u will free every rough road tarmac...huhu.. anyway, its good for some people as u can feel like ur hand touchin d road. even slight understeer, u will feel it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(evolution120 @ Aug 22 2012, 05:08 PM)
very good.. ill be damn happy if i can reach 380km per tank. so far now mine 3speed auto can reach 300~320km per tank only.. sigh.. before top overhaul, managed to get 250~270km per tank only.
iirc, 40litre.
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But for auto, especially auto on old cars like ours its expected to have lower mileage right?

Hmm..just pumped just now (40L)...tracked 429KM until indicator light up....actually even for me the mileage is very good considering on Monday I went on a road trip with a lot of mountain driving (about 250KM~)...maybe due to the fact I changed my compressor and just serviced my car 2 weeks ago haha.

So assuming I used 40 Litres for 429KM that would be about ~11KM/L

I used to use fuel enhancers from Cosway and they generally give me 40-70KM more mileage on a full tank, but some of my friends say maybe not good so I stopped using it...are any of you here using similar products?

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post Aug 23 2012, 08:49 AM

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Try tracking your mileage using fuelly.com - it's easy and you can see trends and patterns.

It's been discussed and proven over and over before, so called fuel enhancers does little to improve FC. Most are placebo effect, and the only real fuel enhancer is your right foot. Did you measure the FC accurately to determine that you really do get 40-70km more per tankful? or it's just rough estimation?

QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 23 2012, 08:45 AM)
But for auto, especially auto on old cars like ours its expected to have lower mileage right?

Hmm..just pumped just now (40L)...tracked 429KM until indicator light up....actually even for me the mileage is very good considering on Monday I went on a road trip with a lot of mountain driving (about 250KM~)...maybe due to the fact I changed my compressor and just serviced my car 2 weeks ago haha.

So assuming I used 40 Litres for 429KM that would be about ~11KM/L

I used to use fuel enhancers from Cosway and they generally give me 40-70KM more mileage on a full tank, but some of my friends say maybe not good so I stopped using it...are any of you here using similar products?
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post Aug 23 2012, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Aug 23 2012, 08:49 AM)
Try tracking your mileage using fuelly.com - it's easy and you can see trends and patterns.

It's been discussed and proven over and over before, so called fuel enhancers does little to improve FC. Most are placebo effect, and the only real fuel enhancer is your right foot. Did you measure the FC accurately to determine that you really do get 40-70km more per tankful? or it's just rough estimation?
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If we're talking about accurate measurement, then no. What I did was, full tank, drive till indicator lights up, refuel. I normally check against the distance I've gone through until the indicator lights up, which normally does when there is ~6 litres or less fuel in the tank.

I also made sure to drive normally, no sudden jimat2 attitude when I use the enhancers, because I do realise there might be the possibility of a placebo effect. End result, I did notice a difference of 40-70KM using fuel enhancers.

Btw, fuelly.com, my car engine option is "Model Engine"?

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Aug 23 2012, 08:49 AM)
Try tracking your mileage using fuelly.com - it's easy and you can see trends and patterns.

It's been discussed and proven over and over before, so called fuel enhancers does little to improve FC. Most are placebo effect, and the only real fuel enhancer is your right foot. Did you measure the FC accurately to determine that you really do get 40-70km more per tankful? or it's just rough estimation?
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exactly.

there are no free energy yet. also dont forget, you actually have to pay for the "so called fuel enhancers", and if you paid the same amount of money for additional fuel, it might be the same if not very minor differences.
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post Aug 23 2012, 09:04 AM

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You need to measure accurately to determine if the fuel enhancers work. I've used those tablet type of fuel enhancer before, useless no effect. And read up more on FTC.gov and other sites and most will tell you they all DO NOT work.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut10.shtm

Not sure what you mean by car engine option is model engine.... normally ours is Gas L4...

QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 23 2012, 09:01 AM)
If we're talking about accurate measurement, then no. What I did was, full tank, drive till indicator lights up, refuel. I normally check against the distance I've gone through until the indicator lights up, which normally does when there is ~6 litres or less fuel in the tank.

I also made sure to drive normally, no sudden jimat2 attitude when I use the enhancers, because I do realise there might be the possibility of a placebo effect. End result, I did notice a difference of 40-70KM using fuel enhancers.

Btw, fuelly.com, my car engine option is "Model Engine"?
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 23 2012, 09:01 AM)
exactly.

there are no free energy yet. also dont forget, you actually have to pay for the "so called fuel enhancers", and if you paid the same amount of money for additional fuel, it might be the same if not very minor differences.
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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Aug 23 2012, 09:04 AM)
You need to measure accurately to determine if the fuel enhancers work. I've used those tablet type of fuel enhancer before, useless no effect. And read up more on FTC.gov and other sites and most will tell you they all DO NOT work.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut10.shtm

Not sure what you mean by car engine option is model engine.... normally ours is Gas L4...
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haha I know, but since I've already bought it might as well finish using it right?, I'm only concerned whether it will harm the engine or not >_<

Okay so for fuelly.com I have to update everytime I refuel my car right?...just key in the distance travelled and the amount refuelled?

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most of d time, our saga iswara manual is havin 10km/L +- for mix highway n town drive..

for highway onli will save more, mine use weber carb can hit 13-14km/L on highway..
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QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 23 2012, 09:12 AM)
Okay so for fuelly.com I have to update everytime I refuel my car right?...just key in the distance travelled and the amount refuelled?
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for more accurate recording, ALWAYS empty your tank as much as possible (gauge properly how much more you can go despite your car fuel warning light lids up. if you're *adventurous* icon_idea.gif , can jalan until totally empty with spare gas tank or nearby a petrol station area) and then fill it up full tank until the nozzle pressure sensor clicks. shitty nozzles especially from badly maintained cut cost shorter nozzle petronas may sometimes overfill, no worries, you only waste a few cents and maybe annoy mother nature, just close the fuel cap and pour some water and then wipe off the surrounding spilled area especially your car paint smile.gif

repeat this for around a month (probably 3-5 fillings?) and you should get a more accurate reading on your mileage.

here's mine btw:
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/quazacolt/saga
i record on fuelly, android apps carango and mileage
3 apps that all says the same thing so mine is con lan f***ing firm to be accurate. which doesn't say much considering the shitty mileage (heavy footer, it can't be helped sweat.gif )
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QUOTE(AzeL @ Aug 23 2012, 08:45 AM)
But for auto, especially auto on old cars like ours its expected to have lower mileage right?

Hmm..just pumped just now (40L)...tracked 429KM until indicator light up....actually even for me the mileage is very good considering on Monday I went on a road trip with a lot of mountain driving (about 250KM~)...maybe due to the fact I changed my compressor and just serviced my car 2 weeks ago haha.

So assuming I used 40 Litres for 429KM that would be about ~11KM/L

I used to use fuel enhancers from Cosway and they generally give me 40-70KM more mileage on a full tank, but some of my friends say maybe not good so I stopped using it...are any of you here using similar products?
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if u see d spark plug, adding fuel additives will make it covered wit gold/yellowish layer. means u gonna need replace spark plug more frequently.

IMHO, although d fuel enhancer will increase d RON, but its such a manyak susah punya kerja... everytime also need add some when go fill in fuel.. zzzz...after u use it 6months to 1 year, sure gib up d... dats wat happen to me when im riding motorcycle..lol

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