Anyone plays shortpips here? I wanted to ask what's the best sponge hardness and thickness for shortpips?
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Dec 8 2018, 04:30 PM
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Anyone plays shortpips here? I wanted to ask what's the best sponge hardness and thickness for shortpips?
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Feb 10 2019, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(chongski @ Jan 22 2019, 10:47 AM) Hope your condition will improve. A coach summarise the level in tt below: What u said is half correct , because u missed something. it only suits for certain conditions like receiving serve using wrist and finger, making small adjustment on the spin of the ball like waldner famous sidespin loop and blocking opponent loop kill. When u mastered them it does prove u a more professional player because u could change spin easily.1) beginner/intermediate level: use hand 2) advance level: use wrist 3) professional level: use fingers Not easy to master on wrist and fingers technique at all. I remember that phrase u mentioned above is said by Zhuang Zedong , a legendary chinese short pips world champion with three consecutive wttc single champion in 60s, why he emphasize on wrist and finger because short pips must be fast as they doesn't generate spin effectively. So when opponent place a ball to right edge while u standing at the left, you don't hv time to use normal drive to hit the ball. As u reach the right edge u need smaller drive to hit back. |
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Feb 11 2019, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(empire @ Feb 10 2019, 11:35 PM) I started using short pips a few days ago. NOt easy to control cos it is pretty fast. SP can generate spins effectively too. SP is for fast players. NOt for slow players...as you have to hit the ball when it is at its highest point to put pressure on the opponent. It's not necessary play at fast pace , SP can play defensive too like Gao Jun , Ding Song . Actually SP speed is not faster than the smooth . So why everyone says SP is fast? Sp is fast because it has an element which smooth doesn't , resistant to spin. So in theory SP can hit through every topspin ball so u doesn't need a big drive to loop but just hit through it. Because of looper need bigger looping moves so they won't hv enough time to loop at the best point again and partially also because of SP sinking effect. One of the important point is playing with SP is that u can't hit a ball with 10/10 of your power except smashing high ball, the maximum strength on forehand drive is 7-8/10.Once exceed the limit , errors will pop out either net or out. Can u share yr equipment ,either yr blade is too powerful or sponge too hard. Advice : if u bad in smooth is because u use generate too less spin, if u bad in SP is because u rely too much on spin But if u want to loop with SP, I recommended u to watch a chinese player : Chen Longcan. For speed : Jiang jialiang I hope my comment can help u, getting lesser and lesser ppl playing SP |
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Feb 11 2019, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Feb 11 2019, 05:30 PM) Traditionally SP is always for close table game. to master mid table your arm swing needs to be extremely powerful. Yes ,I agree. SP since the era of European chopping to Chinese fast attack is set for close table , the European and chinese hv always stand close table. But I don't prefer looping from far table like kim taek soo because even though it looks cool but when u finished looping ,u are exhausted. spin and speed goes hand in hand. further than mid table , a dead ball smash will never ever be faster(wind resistance) than a strong top spin hit(difference air pressure at top n bottom of spinning ball creates down force), with max power using modern carbon blade and tensor rubber. The topspin dynamics curving down allows full power hitting and still be able to land on the table. This is already established scientifically, chinese player since 80s are all fast spinner(super tacky rubber) with powerful stroke. In the modern era no one in right mind will use sp on FH in singles. You've already put yourself in handicap in mid to far table rally. SP mainly play ball placement and faster than opponent |
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Feb 11 2019, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(tsd @ Feb 11 2019, 06:17 PM) Not because they are nasty but (I'm sorry to say ) u still don't hv enough experience. U can try my advice try looping more sidespin loop ,its more effective to use to play against raw pip than cooked ones because raw pips are softer and harder to control sidespin. You can refer waldner sidespin loop or xuxin playing style. But SP can tackle with hitting the area that have less side spin and try to hit b4 the ball rise to the highest point. |
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Feb 12 2019, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(tsd @ Feb 11 2019, 10:49 PM) We are lucky because there are not many good short pips player in the country. If you got a chance to play against a good short pips player, you will understand what I meant by "nasty". I'm playing SP now, what u said is the point. SP relies on serve and receiving serve to create opportunity to smash opponent. And changing strength of the return, sometimes the ball returns might look slow but when u contact ball ,u felt the strength of the ball is very large and heavy and the ball just can't return back to opponent.The problem is short pips is that the strength of their return is hard to predict, they can choose to produce spin or not to produce spin. For example if you do a strong bottom spin to them, they can flick it to produce more spin or produce a dead ball. If you do a strong top or top side to them, they can spin it back to you or just "whack" a high speed dead ball back to you. After that, very difficult to estimate how much spin to put in to send the ball back because it could be a dead ball or a spinny ball and because it is so fast, we have very little time to figure out what to do, very often I just return it back by pure luck. haha... hope I don't make it sounds like short pips is the best rubber out there. Actually short pips are very hard to master and not as deadly when they are away from the table. Most of the time they will refuse to move away from the table. So, I would normally play low deep ball placement try to push them away. Unfortunately some of them combine short-pips with another inverted rubber, they can still well play away from the table, soon they will try to find their way back to the table. Try see how Liu Guo Liang play with it or more recent player like Li Jia Wei of Singapore and Mima Ito of Japan. As I say short pips have some antispin in it so it can flick backspin easily.In my opinion liu guoliang is good at serve and receiving serve, his drive is not better than jiang jialiang, his loop is not better than chen longcan , smashes is worst than zhuang zedong. I recommend u a video of guo yue hua vs jiang jialiang maybe u can get some idea to counter SP https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwrfoHVm-2c This post has been edited by ccf1162: Feb 12 2019, 04:10 PM |
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Feb 16 2019, 01:24 PM
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Feb 17 2019, 07:33 AM
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Feb 20 2019, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Feb 19 2019, 10:55 AM) 40+ ball is definately slower and influence by spin greatly compare to 38mm, 40mm. For LP the spin are always reactive, you are already at the mercy of opponent spin controlled. its a new game since 38/40mm days. But I believe SP is coming back because the ball has changed into abs and 40+, research says that even though 40+ affects velocity by 10% but spin affected by 20 to 30%. Chinese player also reported that the ball is becoming smoother and slippery after playing some time. |
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Mar 12 2019, 08:12 PM
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Where can I play tt in Penang at night?
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Apr 21 2019, 12:33 PM
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Yeah, footwork, hand movement and gestures and body language readings are important. But after you mastered them and compete frequently with players more important is that you are able to realize your mistakes and correct it, always do introspection when you loss a point. For example , if you missed a ball , you should question yourself is my footwork not good enough,need more footwork traning or other factor.Most players I saw always look at his bat with surprised look and blame his hand not fast enough but did he ever blame his leg slow, guess he never. For deceptive shots from opponent, you should remember his arm or wrist movement in your memory so next time when he use that move you are able to hit it back and learn it also.
Note: I'm not a pro player and skill also cacat, however I'm great at observe players when they play so I'm able to tell how drive or loop should be done. |
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Apr 21 2019, 08:54 PM
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So anyone of you in forum 19 using penhold? Nowadays penhold players are rare species.
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Apr 23 2019, 05:38 PM
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Short sidespin serves .. interesting. I would say it's hard to execute a good short sidespin serve using shakehand. Sidespin serve is a good serve against opponent who like to use backhand flick when they encounter backspin. For matches you can observe Dimitri ovtcharov vs fan zhengdong matches. in their matches Dimitri like to serve deceptive sidespin serve to fan zhengdong causes fan to make mistakes.
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Apr 24 2019, 03:01 PM
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Apr 26 2019, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Apr 26 2019, 09:27 AM) Another reason is the regulars there participate in local open novice/beginner prized tournaments. Good luck, so you are using LP to chop or attack? And how to defeat LP because it's hard to predict the position when they chop over my table.Im joining for the 1st time team event(beginner/novice) this saturday at Kajang Prison MPH , total over 50+ teams. Huge event. I found the top common reason most switched to LP backhand is for receiving serve 'advantage'. Another quick fix reason that does not address the main problem. I see it as an easy way out because inverted rubber needs more skill set to return serve, but it also has greater advantage to gain attack advantage from returning serve using the flick. Another reason why i see recent kids TT club is leaping over these LP players, They are drilled into flicking skill early and returning serve is so effortlessly.Of course modern rubber/blade helps a lot. |
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Apr 27 2019, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 27 2019, 03:48 PM) you can do sidespin with handshake bats, you will have to hold the bat with just 2 fingers. Thumb and second finger, that way you can be almost as flexible as the penholder. Actually its not that they cant return or cant read those spin, it is just that they are trying to do something that fails to work, so people think they cant return the serve. Alot of pro players dont really care what kind of serve, they just watch the flight of the ball to determine what kind of spin. O, ok. Maybe I'll try shakehand one day. Thanks . |
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Apr 29 2019, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Apr 29 2019, 01:13 PM) After my 1st local beginner/novice tournament im sticking to inverted both side. Not going to try LP. I'll try the tactics. Because of lp weird ball spin and placement makes me dare not to attack them and this is a dangerous to me because I'm using sp. And sp can't produce much spin so I will be easily smash by ppl using lp and more terrifying is he's using lp to flick smash me . Most of the time instead of attacking , I played defensively by slicing chopping the ball until he makes mistake. I know it's funny instead of looping and you go chopping with lp player.it is not hard to predict. but need more practise. 1st scenario, when u see opponent at center close table position, any ball you return far angle to their BH LP they will only be able to return back to your FH half. The faster your ball and longer to their BH, the harder they can return sharp to your BH especially if it is a chop from you. You can test by serving long quick underspin from your FH far angle to your opponent far BH LP, basically a straight fast underspin. If you find he cant control it beyond your center line. Then you are almost free to smash/drive/ or set up 5 balls. vary your shots. i always prefer long dead center body balls and aim their long BH side with chop underspin. and keep in mind drive or smash center or to their FH. LP BH counter block from heavy drive is really devastating unless they r off position.... also there are 2 types of LP, sponge n without sponge. without sponge is the easiest to beat. sponge LP is quite challenging you will noticed their balls has 'power'. But power also mean they have much less control. Both side is pretty confused. but always keep a long ball distance, always chop their BH LP when you got the opportunity. |
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May 9 2019, 10:28 PM
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Sorry guys, can I ask an absurd question? Can Ma long be defeated? What is his weakness?
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May 20 2019, 10:54 AM
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Anyone tried before DHS PF4? Heard old ppl says it not sensitive to spin, basically any incoming spin also can loop . Most of the time if a rubber lose tackiness it basically dead but tis rubber at its best performance when it lose its tackiness. They also said good for fast loop and sidespin loop . Only cons is really hard to find blade that suit it as its sponge too dead not bouncy enough. The best combination is DHS 032 &04 because the power supply to the rubber wif these blade I would say is unlimited no bottleneck but 032 and 04 is ancient blade which on the brink of extinction. Alternative cheaper one is yinhe n9 but only suitable for continuous looping but not smashing and near table control a bit weak.Hope to hear some reviews.
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