O ,well. I managed tried it out yesterday after long begging and bargaining with one of the old ppl in my training place to bring out his precious DHS 032 + PF4 single sided penhold. Damn the bat is so heavy for single sided penhold weighted I think it's about 150g. Just like the old ppl said fast loop and sidespin loop are so powerful and the speed and spin. Wow , it's just like a whole new world . Even short cut or chop ?[ I don't know what's the technical term for chop at inside table] barely any rubber can compete with PF4. Smashes is terrifying people that everyone is my place start questioning their expensive blade and rubber compare to the old ppl's old 032 that looked like a cheap blade that nobody want to buy. And for 032 it's hard to describe, probably its consist of basswood which provide outstanding control and meranti provide strength and power which makes it like an allround blade suitable lp chopping and sp and smooth. Only cons it's damn heavy. Guess I need to beg that old ppl to lend me his yasaka mark V + stiga ac.

Can't try it because the rubber is still so tacky and chinese rubber is known for its long lasting tackiness so no chance because the old ppl rarely use it. What I can tell u what u call slow loop cannot be achieved by tis rubber because using tis rubber u dun nid to hit to provide forward movement but just focus on generating spin and some forward movement , you will produce fast loop that has low arc and so spinny that ppl can't control the ball . Cons is it's not great at producing slow loop like u said loop backspin. This rubber can fast loop on backspin.


Not sure whether this is komann winning 04 or dhs 04 found from web , that old ppl says that this is the best combination with pf4 no chance to try it because I think Malaysia nobody hv one of it. And someone says 04 blade is komann winning 04. It's too mysterious.

This post has been edited by ccf1162: May 23 2019, 06:52 PM

Forget to say that pf4 everything is about the hitting angle when you loop and swing speed , don't ever hit the ball with all your strength because this rubber doesn't work like that. The ball might go fast if you loop it hard every time but this is not the most powerful one . This rubber is everything about thinking and changing.

I ask that old ppl again about the dead rubber problem. I not sure you ever see old chinese rubber when they age ,they will turn from smooth and shiny surface to little misty and vague with maybe some cracks. This is the best stage , it will turn from hard stiff rubber to soft and comfortable . Maybe you can find this feeling on some of the old ancient chinese rubber and it's surface turned vague

This post has been edited by ccf1162: May 23 2019, 07:53 PM

Every style has it own pros and cons. There is no such thing as smooth rubber two side loop is the most advance style. Every rubber suit different person . Like the main reason I play short pips is my thigh muscle every time cramp when I loop with smooth even I have warm up. There is no flat hitter in tournament? Yeah ,there is, he zhiwen ,mima ito and other Japanese female players but is lesser compared to 20th century. Why? U go n ask liu guoliang because he buried short pips style and chopper in man and turn Chinese team into looping machine.
I think flat hitter is coming back you see Mattias falck from SWE won the second place in WTTC recently. Why people turn to pips because their body condition don't allow them to loop like they used to be.

And 1 thing I have forgotten to say is there is different between looping with Chinese inverted and japanese or European rubber. Using chinese rubber u nid to cover your bat until 30 to 35 degree while European rubber is somewhere 70 to 80 degrees. Just compare waldner loop and guo yue hua loop
Guo yue hua:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju9933ToXtI
Waldner :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YvsKxHkMde8

I mean there no good and bad about any playing style . It's all about how the player perform and his or her fundamental. If you fundamental are great u can even play well with lp . But undeniable there is some advantages with inverted which inverted is more easy to master. Penhold backhand can be very powerful too without rbh , like my famous move is backhand smash. As I say every rubber suits different people, lp is suitable for chop and weird it's may suitable for a person with patience and wish to have many changes of spin. I don't always smash with my forehand because of my thigh injuries even though it's powerful move to end a game, more often I just use ball placement and speed to win a game. What I could say is I dont have the strength to loop already so I turned to sp.
I think “flat hitter ”this term is rather misleading for sp or any antispin rubber. Actually what u said is right everything is about spin. Actually sp forehand drive also provide some topspin to provide arc for the ball land on opponent table. Antispin rubber I never played before but I'm sure it's also about changing of spin to deceive opponent and create opportunity to gain a point. I hope u can understand my point.

For Falck , yeah his frequency of using his backhand is much higher than forehand but I don't know whether you scrutinized his match . U can obviously see those opponent is very unadaptable to his forehand so this is why I said liu guoliang buried sp and lp playing style and isolated player from these style.Chinese should have the most experience to deal with sp so why they are so uncomfortable with sp. I hope there is more playing style like the era of 70s inverted, sp,lp,antispin..

:Falck's coach is a real pro master

No , I think because he didn't use it for long time just glue it every two months so I think it didn't have any boosting because even it had the effect had gone. This is a weird rubber because the highest velocity that the rubber can produce on the ball is by sidespin loop. This rubber is dirt cheap and powerful however it really need to really perfect loop drive and most importantly is it's damn heavy not recommend u guys if u stick it on a heavy blade. Actually I might try other blade with similar structure to 04 such as 729 V2 , BTY Renato. Actually yinhe n9 also quite good just inside table control a little bit weak due to its koto surface and smashing because it too easily reach its limits. But I'll check with the old guy whether he got boost it or not.

I asked the old ppl ,he say if you glue it with speed you will have bigger problem on the rubber and indirectly shorten its lifespan because it's sponge is not designed to speed glue it due to Chinese player don't speed glue in1980s.
Basically using PF4, if you generated more spin, the ball will be faster and the arc lower so just concentrate on producing spin and not focus on hit it to make it faster. One cons is DHS has bad quality control because the old ppl showed me two same rubber bought at same time , one of them it pips align straight and the other had a horizontal arrangement. However the original design of this rubber pips is horizontal arrangement

This post has been edited by ccf1162: May 24 2019, 08:16 PM

H3 should be not bad but I never used it before. Just too much counterfeit H3 in market so be careful. Yeah, I'll buy one PF4 and glue on the backhand side of my penhold to act as a weight.

Is this tournament held every year because I can't go this year as I'm preparing for SPM so next year will it be held again? Any charges? First heard about this tournament. However, I think I will be eliminated the first round because skill and fundamental cacat.

I tried other ppl's H3 before but H3 need to boost frequently . However I hv long heard about many counterfeits exist on taobao or other china platforms. For me , I'm really lazy to glue frequently so H3 not my tea. What I can advice ppl who wanted to buy H3 is never buy or trust those say is national level rubber? In chinese is 國狂。

Yeah ,BTY Sriver which is a good rubber before 40mm era and most common combination is any hinoki jpen + sriver. However ,sriver still perform well but can't compare to before 40mm era because BTY keep changing formula.Maybe bryce is a better substitution of sriver with hinoki jpen ,just maybe only,I can't say it confidently because never tried it before.
Actually there's impossible the national H3 matches what the market say that it's use by chinese national player. Truth is it's most likely a leftover from province level supplies. So dun get fool by sellers or even Dhs company. And I'm lazy to boost rubber every week so I don't use rubber that required boosting to get best performance.For chinese tacky rubber , u dun hv to try some expensive stuff when there are so many classic cheap chinese rubber like DHS pf4, globe 999, 729 FX. These are better than H3 when comes to price to value comparison and they are extremely durable .But one thing need to mention is these rubber os designed to match old chinese blade from 70s to 80s like dhs 032 so just be careful when u choose blade as their sponge not flexible and tgey are strictly designed to match chinese quick attack styles so they are less sensitive to spin and can easily loop any spin.But I barely touch smooth rubber so I don't really know any new rubber so for H3 I've been used for only 2 to3 times only

Anyone going to T2 diamond on 18 to 21 july? I think I can't go because trial is on the end of july . Aiii, missed chance to watch world class players playing.

Don't miss T2 diamond , many players participate in it include Ma long ,xu xin ,harimoto https://airasiaredtix.com/t2diamondmy

Lol

For sriver ,I recommend to use jpen single ply hinoki or gergely. These day sriver is not as good as the old days one, a bit hard to play with 40+balls but still a good control rubber . For mark v , use any 5ply blades similar to stiga ac design, such as stiga ac or yasaka sweden classics .Its a good rubber but its really tiring to use it because it requires user to finish their loop correctly . Mark V + stiga ac is 1989 sweden secret weapon to slay china . For cpen I prefer using chinese tacky rubber such as DHS PF4 and 729 fx,1.5mm sponge is the best feeling I've played on these chinese tack rubber but its hard to find1.5mm version of smooth rubber. For cpen I recommend yinhe n9s + PF4 , a cheap ass combination. I prefer donic acuda s3 over mark v because its less tiring