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post Nov 21 2016, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(sidekick100 @ Nov 21 2016, 11:39 AM)
Hi...im playing at bangsar...do join me if you intrested...we are playing on tuesday 8 to 10pm. My num is 0123172056
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Playing where?
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post Jan 18 2017, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(sidekick100 @ Jan 18 2017, 07:00 PM)
Hi...we are playing at bangsar every tuesdays. Can watsapp Dev 0123172056
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Time?
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post Apr 8 2018, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(CheaTeRz @ Mar 11 2018, 04:17 PM)
Installed this apps, seems like they need more users to before it unlock the ability to find match or games in the area.

This could be useful tho as there are quick assessment to rate up your table tennis rating  biggrin.gif

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Find match feature need more player in the area before it is available.

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Interesting quick assessment.
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Rovo’s rating should be taken with a pinch of salt as it is self rated. There’s too many players that uses that app that rated themselves inaccurately just because they’re better among their clique of friends.
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post Oct 9 2018, 03:59 PM

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Been a while since I showed my face here.

Anyway, the basics are the most vital things you can ever go for especially since table tennis revolves all around the same strokes. Forehand loop, backhand loop, forehand push, backhand push, forehand flick, backhand flick. There you go, all the strokes. The difference between professional players and recreational players are that professionals can perform these strokes flawlessly in any situation.

That being said, there is no such thing as the ONLY way to perform a stroke. This is evident by looking at Chinese players and non-Chinese players. The mechanics of their strokes are fundamentally different. Remember, to win a point, you simply have to put the ball back on your opponent's side one time more than he/she can. Get your basics, develop your own gameplay and be smart.
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post Nov 8 2018, 08:35 AM

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Those in Penang can try looking for HyperTT. Not sure if it’s still opened though.
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post Jan 7 2019, 07:04 PM

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Go forum 19 and rent a table. Cheap and decent playing conditions. Do it on a weekend to avoid traffic.
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post Jan 8 2019, 08:49 AM

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I used to travel quite a fair bit last time when I trained regularly. Not so much now
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post Jan 28 2019, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(empire @ Jan 26 2019, 11:29 AM)
For Tuesday and Thursday... you said 5-6 players will be there. Are they all beginners?
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He's usually quite busy. I think you should pm him for details but the club generally seems to have some decent players playing most of the time.
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post Feb 22 2019, 10:38 AM

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Please keep it up guys. Don't let the sport die
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post Mar 24 2019, 10:45 PM

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Empire fast becoming forum 19's ambassador here
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post Apr 23 2019, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 22 2019, 01:38 PM)
Lets say, I play with a tiny fellow from star elite.  All I need is to do a short side spin curve serve, make the ball bounce off the table right near the net. The only way a tiny fellow to reach that ball is to run to the left side to retrieve because his hand will be too short to do a flick. He has to run tot he side to return that ball, once he returned it, I send a curved ball to his right, off the table near net again on the right this time. He has to run from from left to right, he will never reach there on time.  Even if he manage to reach there, I do left and so on... how long can he survive ?

As for Harimoto, he is tall enough even though when ie was only 14. He could easily reach short ball from the back of the table, no need to go to the side to retrieve
Although I may sound negative, in reality, they may look impressive but they are only good for the on the spot strokes. Don't give them too much praise until they until they are tall enough, then you see how they perform. A lot of them are are just too comfortable ( after getting a lot pf praises ) doing on the spot strokes until they refuse to learn how to move effectively.
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Why are you bullying 6 year olds?

Anyway, your basis for that is in the scenario that the kid does not have a tactic against you. Kids that train will always be playing with older and taller adults during the club's session and you think they are not accustomed to what you mentioned? Yes, it's a fine tactic on paper. But do you have the capabilities of executing it? And what makes you think the kid can't have precautions against those tactics? Skills are also an important factor in this. I'm not sure on the level of the players in Star Elite but go to PJ Union and play with the kids there. Those kids have been playing with national players like Chee Feng and most of the current Selangor state players. I dare say your tactic won't be so easily applied there.

I do agree that yes, stroking is easy for a lot of people and there are scenarios that people can't perform in a match despite being able to stroke for long period of time non stop. It all boils down to tactics and who can get the ball back on the opponent's table more.
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post Apr 23 2019, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 23 2019, 05:04 PM)
You are talking about a different thing.

I am talking about those small sized little kids who cant even reach halfway into the table, with "over-hyped" promotions, that was the discussion. 

Those curve left and right ball is easy to do lah. Even a simple bottom spin near the net with a reverse bounce will get those small sized kids in trouble. I am not talking about those bigger sized kids.

If you tell me star elte and pj union or any place that have any kids that can't even reach half-way into the table and tell me I cant deal with them ? you must be kidding. I dare to bet with you with everything I have.  Not just me, in fact anyone who can play decent table tennis will dare to take up the challenge.

Whether that small kid train with chee feng or ma long or anyone else, makes no difference. He still cant play in real competitive game until he is tall enough, of cos sometimes we do see them in competition but whoever losses to them are mostly self-inflicted loss.
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Again, I'm doubting the level of the kids you're using for your theory.

Probably the wrong type of video to share since these kids are considered the top but look at them 1st graders:


These kids are easily on par with any 13-15 year old state players in Malaysia and the shorter hair kid's head is just above the table.

And in terms of your comment on that a kid can't play in a real competitive game, in what terms are you talking about? Professional open categories? What's competitive in your context? These kids can be playing in for Malaysian Open as a state representative for under 12 but do you consider that as competitive?

And honestly, a short reverse spin to the table? Who are you, Ma Lin? Any under spin serve will still have the second bounce near the 3rd quarter end of the table and what makes you think they can't reach? Again, theory is there. But is it easily applied?

But let's say I'm talking out of context and you're talking about over hyped kids on YouTube. Ai Fukuhara was on Ellen's show when she was barely taller than the table and at that age, she was already racking up plenty of achievements. Look, I'm not saying ALL kids that goes on YouTube are good in an actual game as compared to training but again, I can tell you from experience that there are many very short kids that defied your theories and trashed many adults that have claimed themselves as decent players.


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post Apr 24 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
Come...I challenge you to a match. if you can win me then you can talk whatever you want.
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At least he's providing justification to his comments.

Please turn your brain on. Making challenges like these do nothing but feed your ego and provide mild entertainment to the rest of us but regardless, any more of this and I will report you to the the mod.
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post Apr 24 2019, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM)
ah ok then. anybody can talk whatever they want? Sure sure. I can also say anything I want. YOu got a problem with that??
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It's not like you've not been doing it already. Don't push it. This is a thread for enthusiasts who love the sport. I see nothing wrong with what he said and I'm the one he was directing the reply to. Why are you getting so worked up over it?
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post Apr 24 2019, 03:11 PM

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Either way, if he stick to his words, he'll no longer reply here so let's move on.
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post Apr 27 2019, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 27 2019, 03:59 PM)
it was a misunderstanding lah, I was talking about those small kids that barely reach half the table. He is talking about a fully grown up adult size Harimoto.
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Nah, I'm talking about primary school kids. Skill and experience will help them shorter ones overcome this. Ball placement, spin and angle from the kids can also limit the type of returns you can do. But I get your point.
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post Apr 30 2019, 07:22 AM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 29 2019, 07:12 PM)
oh so you join a novice competition smile.gif good for you. Did u win ?

Yes, tomahawk serve can do side spin as well, but tomahawk is a very tiring serve to do, especially on the knee. I had a lot of experience with this serve during my younger player years. You can win points right from it or get killed by doing it, if you do not recover fast after serve especially when your knee becomes very tired. Even Ding Ning is reducing her tomahawk serve nowadays. Tomahawk is only good for top sidespin, very hard to do short side bottom spin with tomahawk, even if you managed to do it, it will be a lousy one. So, still the 2 finger grip on shakehand bat, forward pendulum or reversed pendulum can make very good side-spin of any kind.

Well, if you do not believe what I said about those ball flight reader, nevermind. Next time when you encounter them you will understand or when you learn it yourself, you will also understand. Of cos even if someone can read ball flight/bounce, he will still be looking at contact point of the ball because if the contact is too obvious, there is no need to read ball flight, because much easier to read contacts than reading ball flight.

Try watch closely on your youtube video on professional players, they only watch opponent body language during serve, then see how their eyes track the ball after opponent hit the ball, they are reading flight, they will watch it bounce ( you can see how they pause with their eyes fixed on the bounce )... then only move in for it.

ITTF ban hiding of ball during serve is to protect weaker players. Reading ball flight is difficult and even more difficult for older players with poorer eye-sight. Imagine if everyone have to learn to read ball flight in order to play table tennis, the table tennis game will be so unpopular and will be dead.

Heavy spin serve are slow, plenty of time to see ball flight. So for ball flight, learn it and all your troubles with spin and long pimples will be gone. IF you dont believe, next time you go and play again, stay focused and watch the ball closely after they serve. There is a fixed pattern in ball flight, just deal with the pattern. A lot of time people could not be bothered to learn how to read ball flight. Unless you are too old with bad eye-sight, then no choice but to skip this skill.
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If anything, I think hiding the serves benefitted the elder more. A lot of the veterans rely on people misreading their serves and smashing it with their SP/LP.
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post May 9 2019, 09:08 AM

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I believe both of you two have your points. Reading serves is more than just the facts you guys have provided and both you guys are right. Bat angle upon contact and the ball flight are just a fraction of what the receiver will be looking at.

Honestly to me, you two have learned how to receive serves in a manner that fits you best. Do remember that everyone have their own playing style and learning methods so keep coming with all the comments. As long as it is constructive and non-personal, feel free to provide your own point of view with your justifications.
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post May 24 2019, 08:22 AM

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You guys gotta remember that there's no one only way to play table tennis. I've played against some state players that used dead Chinese rubber. One of the hardest players I've ever played against honestly as receiving serves was a breeze to him. Something like an anti spin rubber honestly.

And yes, in theory, those kind of rubbers aren't very suitable for away from the table loops but how many people are at the level where they can consistently loop at that level? I can very well imagine someone winning the point before it reaches to that extent.

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