Actually just joking

Its this for real Raju? If so ...show a picture...if not it never happened heheh..

Hmmm thats why they say not all Carbon parts are of the same quality....especially if its a cheap carbon hehehe....
If am not mistaken ...Ibis bikes are not that light...even though they re full carbon...probably why they re strong...(dont take my word for it, all based on 2nd hand info)
Is there a lifetime warranty on Carbon frames? I heard Orbea is the only one with it..others

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Added on January 11, 2012, 12:28 pmBy the way ...cant open la that link....plus its written in 2008 is it? 3-4 years things can change a lot...I think now Carbon are better developed ..but i think a lot of people still not convinced ..

This post has been edited by majorsinbad: Jan 11 2012, 12:28 PM

in theory... carbon has no fatigue lifespan... so manufacturers can afford to give them a lifetime warranty although "lifetime" is a loosely used term.. it could mean lifetime as long as the model of frame is still produced and not your natural lifespan...

there is also small prints that says normally due to "manufacturer defects".. so if they find that you take a hammer to your frame or did a 720 endo flip and then broke it in 2...

usually only road bikes will risk using less layers on stressed parts of the frame to make a lighter yet stiffer bike because how forces applied is quite predictable on road bike..

specialized did a step further by bringing their venge frame to mclaren applied technologies for using their FEA software to analyze their carbon layup process ply by ply...this in turn lowered their weight of the frame and increased stiffness where it matters...

in short... i think MTB makers can't afford to make flimsy frames due to how and what the frame has to go through... they won't know if a mad cow would take an XC frame to jump off a 5 foot cliff.. so they will just make every part beefier than they can afford so it can take a beating... this also makes the frame heavier but safer to ride.

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 11 2012, 12:34 PM

So beautiful...

thats the beauty of carbon... can make odd and smooth shapes that welded tubes can't...

Actually, I was talking about the rims. Anyone knows where to find the 'old' Crank Brothers Iodine?

Are you sure about this? I thought its the opposite ....most of the MTB Carbon frames have limited warranty....mostly up to 5 years ....only a few can give lifetime warranty ...

I think in terms of the frame strength there are limitations...which is why you ll see XC frames have a maximum travel it can take...if its a HT XC...the most itll go is 100mm....if you put in a 120mm fork (like yours truly ) ...anything happen to the frame you cant claim warranty...

Which is why trail HT such SC Cicak...are not XC light but very solid that it can take more travel than 100mm

got conned

i am not sure.. which is why i say "in theory" they are capable of giving you a lifetime warranty that is binded to small prints... but as i did mention the term "lifetime warranty" can be interpreted in other ways than you think... doubt you can claim your carbon frame 10 years down the road when it breaks apart.

i remember once that i read on a BMW manual that their transmission fluid is lifetime... takkan no need to ever change ATF oil on the autobox right...

small prints is always causing problems when claiming warranty especially in MTBs... basically, you can't take it for granted as an alloy frame allows you...

so, for me personally "lifetime" or not isn't important.. and at the rate you guys change bikes... lifetime is surely longer than a frame can fall apart or before you trade it for a new one..

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Added on January 11, 2012, 1:28 pmcomponent limitations aside... bike manufacturers can't say and stipulate in the manual you can't take a bike and do 720 back flip stunts or jump off a 2 storey roof... or they will or might as well throw you a 3000-page book.

the most absurd carbon problem i heard some time ago is due to the handlebar that tswung around in full motion and hitting the top tube and cracking it.. on alloy you just get a paint chip and worst case dent but can continue to ride it until oblivion.

i find carbon problems occur with heavily mishandled or misuse of the owner... which is needless to say important to anything in life but more particularly carbon...

so, rider sanity is an important factor...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 11 2012, 01:37 PM

Sendiri mau ingat

"Riders approaching 250 pounds in weight should not ride any bicycle equipped with Specialized-branded
composite seat posts, handlebar stems, or handlebars."

So that should be clear enough ....at least for me heheheh ....

Who ll want to keep a bike for 70 years heheheh...but if one is concerned about the strength ...then Titanium laaa....but am quite sure Orbea can cover lifetime on all frames ...which is probably why its soooo mahal

Ok before people start complaining on the WALL OF TEXT...

Here...for peminat Scott...its an oldie but goodie frame ...

am sure you guys know of the cyclepassion calendar...think this are from 2012..

pics might not include bikes...



This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 11 2012, 01:55 PM

discount also need forum help ar.

Carbon accessories/frame - Rule of thumb is 3 years lifespan.
This is true story.

More riders died on alu bikes than carbon bikes too. no bluff you.

KT Cyclone in Bukit Mertajam, Penang have a few sets.

For 2012 Trek-fanboys!

You sure KT Cyclone has it? The orange colour? Interesting...

This post has been edited by Cyphereza: Jan 11 2012, 03:53 PM

that could be the fact that not that many of the cycling population is on carbon bikes... then also need to account is that based on people who rides because it is their passion or the people who ride as their main mode of transport like china?

the results can be quite skewed...

carbon bikes don't change the safety of the sport or the correlation to cycling deaths so something a bit off about that statement..

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 11 2012, 03:57 PM

Last I check, they have the orange and red. Cost an arm though.

senaik got 1 pair orange colour.

Eh, still got eh? Last year I went two times. First time got, second time not got.

belakang store, he throw behind.