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 Astro B.yond Episode IV (Version 9.0), The New World of Entertainment

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post Mar 30 2012, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Mar 30 2012, 10:05 AM)
Assteruk's greed made them make a lot of wrong decisions. Assteruk chose Ku Band instead of other more resilient bands, probably because receiver and transmitter system cheaper (or SKMM won't let them use other bands). There is also warning by ITU that Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia not suitable for Ku Band deployment. They ignore.

Agree with smileguy, assteruk sub probably make up only a small portion of their income. The rest comes from leasing out bandwidth on MEASAT to content providers by their sister company (and yet they complain not enough bandwidth...)
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I do not think it works that way. The MEASAT satellite is owned by MEASAT. Even Astro requires to pay MEASAT for leasing bandwidth to broadcast to us. They may be sister companies, but they are totally separate entities. However, Astro is a big client of MEASAT and perhaps there may be slight discount?


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QUOTE(mazaziman @ Mar 31 2012, 06:47 AM)
any reason why? btw, if connect WD AV320GB to built in PVR, can those file in PVR HDD transferred to external HDD?
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you may transfer out, but u still need the smart card to decrypt those signals saved in the HDD... basically u can't play those files..
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Apr 1 2012, 09:49 PM)
My Off-Topic Post

A celebration that falls on a special day,
This year which happens on a Sunday.

Depends on who got caught anyway.

Don't take it so seriously one might say,
Always think carefully before you play.

Laughter or hurt depends on what you play,
Especially when first of April is also a person's birthday.

Don't overdo it... is what one should daresay.

If hurting a friend's feelings is okay,
That special friendship may unfortunately decay.

For fun and laughter... simple tricks are okay,
So "life and death" tricks are not the correct way.

Just use simple fun tricks that everyone shouts hooray!
Because that special celebration is April Fool's Day !


I wrote the above short composition myself for April Fool's Day. Hope folks here like it. And I am sure many got "fooled". Its just for fun and laughter which we sometimes need in our everyday life. Just remember not to use nasty tricks that can possibly hurt your friend's feelings.

Luckily I escaped a few times today and did not become a fool. I will never so easily believe anyone on this day, hehe. I always pity my friend whose birthday is on 1st April so I will never play any trick on him.

If I posted here on 31-03-2012 that Astro will launch SyFy HD Channel 439 on 01-04-2012, will anyone believe me IF true ?

Hope folks here don't mind my off- topic post.

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post Apr 2 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(krel89 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:41 PM)
if that is true, pliz dont go channel like VIDEO ON DEMAND.. really consume bandwidth...
like AOD, FIRST and BOX OFFICE... ahhhh, frustrated when its all repeat when normal channel already repeat itself..
right???
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I know, its the stupidest idea they could ever think... those are not even real on demand concept... i feel that for AOD, if they were able to bring both TVB Jade HK and TVB Jade HK HD into their platform, no one would ever bother about AOD anymore... be it 1 hour delay to filter HK ads, it will make customers like us very happy already =p... and with that 2 channels, I don't think we need 10+ channels for TVB series anymore, if you want to playback ure recordings, get a PVR and record!


James: not sure about that, but they are already setting up new transponders to gear up for euro2012, olympics and the new channels =D
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post Apr 4 2012, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Apr 3 2012, 09:00 PM)
tvN HD is on UniFi IPTV  rclxm9.gif and it is a better k channel than Astro's KBS World.
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astro has Sony ONE HD, how is it compared to tvN ?
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post Apr 6 2012, 01:28 AM

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Measat 3B (yeah this is the name, they trying to avoid the "4" number lol) will be launched soon. Again... MEASAT and ASTRO are 2 different entities. ASTRO rent transponders from MEASAT....
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post Apr 6 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Apr 6 2012, 03:36 AM)
Yes, for the common public, we refer to the two names as 2 different entities which most of us (including myself) understood.

We separated the entities of the two names to avoid confusion, hehe. MEASAT alone means "Malaysia East Asia Satellite" and ASTRO alone means "All Asia Satellite Television & Radio Operator".

Astro Malaysia Holdings Sdn Bhd > owns MEASAT Satellite Systems Sdn. Bhd.
Astro Malaysia Holdings Sdn Bhd > owns the subsidiary company MEASAT Broadcast Network Systems

MEASAT Broadcast Network Systems is the company that fully operates and controls ASTRO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Asia_Satellite_Television_and_Radio_Company

So we don't say Astro (Astro Malaysia Holdings Sdn Bhd) controls MEASAT (MEASAT Broadcast Network Systems) which controls ASTRO.  blink.gif

So we commonly shortened it and say MEASAT controls ASTRO ! Tada !! Surprised ? Or should I say in reverse ? Astro controls MEASAT ? Or MEASAT controls MEASAT !

So confusing... walauway... it seems I am the one who is causing more confusion... just forget my stupid nonsense here and continue to use your suggested two entity names in the correct way.  rclxub.gif  Mmm... you sure that you are correct that "ASTRO" rents transponders from "MEASAT" ?

Dimanakan ku cari, apa yang ku kehendaki, selepas didapati, kesemuanya hancur sekali !
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Hrm.. maybe I wasn't clear but usually peeps refer MBNS as Astro and MEASAT as Measat Satellite systems. They provide satellite transponders, renting out the transponder for regional broadcast or distribution depending on the client.

That is why MBNS (Astro) rents transponder from Measat Satellite systems. Whenever Astro broadcast exceeds bandwidth purchased from MEASAT, they will immediately get a strict notification from them that they have exceeded the bandwidth usage and required to reduce it.

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Apr 6 2012, 03:05 PM)
So, this is the best reason why should Astro should switch to MPEG4/H264 for all channels. brows.gif
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They intended to but they can't just yet, because there are just too many other subscribers using the older version of mpeg-2 decoders only. They are slowly phasing off the old ones and replacing them with the mpeg-4 decoders (named DMT-4 onwards).

Also, their encoders are also mpeg-4 ready, and with a click of few buttons, it can be switched to mpeg-4. But again with the reasoning above, they can't do it just yet.

Btw, Astro is buying more transponder to allocate for UEFA/Olympics. Wait and chill =D

To be honest, Astro could reduce cost of operation and maybe perhaps subscription, if they make away the censorship department. It is a requirement set by the gov that every channel must be monitored for censorship (except local free channels). The amount of human resources and servers and technology involved in this unit is actually quite massive.
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Lol.. that watermark was only for Astro First... now its also in sports package... they are gearing up for euro 2012 i suppose.

Btw, that watermark is related to ure smartcard, diff smart card will display diff code. It will be able to identify who's decoder it is recording from...

But i noticed when i press info or ok button, that watermark will disappear... so annoying having it there while watching the field...
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QUOTE(gahkin @ Apr 8 2012, 10:54 PM)
Now I watching ch831 the code is gone ....
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yea even ESPN no more code... zzz
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post Apr 8 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Apr 8 2012, 11:18 PM)
Check all sport channels. brows.gif
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I think all gone for now? Wonder what they are up to...
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Apr 8 2012, 11:46 PM)
Not really dissapear. Since when Astro become so good of fakap the "red button" fuction with coding? doh.gif
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I should go question my friend on that =p
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Apr 9 2012, 05:54 PM)
When you asked a question using only 3 words message, it will not be easy for people to answer... so more info is needed.

So... with only the 3 words "Copy Protection Failed" message ... I can only guess the reason but I will try my best.

I guess that you did not use HDMI and have chosen to use either (1) or (2) cable connection from Byond direct to TV...

1) Component Video (Red, Green, Blue) cable

2) Composite (RCA Yellow) cable

IF you used (1)... try using (2) because AACS content protection may have caused the message when (1) was used. Component Video can accept a maximum HD 1080i but... in future... this will be totally blocked and we are forced to use HDMI only. Blu-ray players after 2010 is now coming out with such block when HDMI can be used for HD video and Component Video (Red, Green, Blue) is blocked. Mmm... maybe in future, even Composite (RCA Yellow) output will be blocked when HD is played. You will lose video quality at SD when Composite (RCA Yellow) is used.

This "problem" occur for satellite signals received from ALL Satellite TV providers which included Astro, DirecTV and others. You cannot just blame Astro only.

The "copy protection failed" is caused by AACS content protection of video which stops, interfere or blocks video signal output from (1) or (2) when HDMI out is used. This means only 1 output is allowed from HDMI for High Definition only. No problem if the source signal (from Satellite TV or Bluray Players) is only Standard Definition. NO such block for "SD Only" videos. I think Astro presently did not comply fully with the international standard or I guess Astro did not manage to "unlock" the protection fully which caused the message from component video.

Starting from 2010, all video playback equipment such as blu-ray players, satellite decoder boxes (Byond), mediaplayers must comply with the AACS protection which do NOT allow output from Component Video (Red, Blue, Green) when HD video is watched... from blu-ray/DVD players, from Mediaplayers, from Sat TV channels, etc ! You can find many sites mentioning this. You can also refer to the links at the bottom of my post here.

Most of the TV (LCD, LED) today already have HDCP chip which detects the AACS protection. Older TVs without HDCP will be blocked and cannot watch the AACS protected video.

This happens also with Blu-ray Players.

I will give you an example...
I used my Oppo Blu-ray/Media Player to play an AACS protected blu-ray movie "Transformers : Dark of the moon". I connected from Oppo to 2 TVs. One is HDMI cable to my LCD TV and another using RCA (Yellow) cable to another TV. When I play the BD video to watch same video from 2 TVs... first TV using HDMI is perfect BUT the 2nd TV is only black !!


So most (maybe all) blu-ray discs and satellite TV signals have this AACS protection.

Ok... I can explain a LOT more about this but I think I will keep it short in my post here.

I think that you did not use HDMI cable from your Byond to your LCD TV. Many people also connected 2 TVs to the same Byond box.

If you used only 1 old TV with no HDMI, then maybe your old TV do not have HDCP chip in it so this problem cannot be fixed. Buy a new TV. Almost all newer LCD and LED TVs have HDMI input.

This problem is also caused by the Byond settings. Change the settings to "Standard Definition" and resolution at "576i".

People who connected 1 Byond box to 2 TVs can only have ONE of this two choices...

a) Set Byond to "High Definition" and resolution at "1080i". The first LCD TV using HDMI can receive everything okay. The second TV using Composite (RCA Yellow) cable will... ah-hem... "enjoy" the "extra" subtitle called "Copy Protection Failed"

b) Set Byond to "Standard Definition" and resolution at "576i". The first LCD using HDMI will receive... ah-hem.. poor quality SD picture. The second TV using Composite (RCA Yellow) cable will not show the "Copy Protection Failed" message.

I am 100% sure about the AACS Protection BUT I am not sure that setting to (b) can or cannot fix the problem so you can try it. The only problem with (b) is that you lose the picture quality with using SD !!

There are other ways to fix your problem it cost money to buy HDMI converters and others but i can't explain here because its too long to post.

Don't blame Astro... blame the AACS used by the international A**-H*LE groups which includes the Blu-ray Consortium, AMPAS, etc which forced the AACS on us to stop piracy BUT everyone knows that its mostly to make more big fat profits. I can "really" write many many pages on this to explain my reasons why these group are money sucking sharks ! Again, too long to write here.

Whether all the Byond outputs can be used to many TVs also depends on different situations. Example... if you did not subscribe to HD service, then there may be no output from Byond HDMI.

Also... when (b) is used, this problem may NOT be fixed too if the Byond box still continue to use HD to "convert" to SD... because I think the Byond output may unlock only part of the AACS protection which caused the irritating message appear.

The only way out for you  is use HDMI and newer TV with HDCP... or use back your same old cables and use black cloth to cover the irritating "Copy Protection Failed" message. Black cloth .... joking only.

I usually believe... when AACS is activated, got picture from HDMI but should be completely no picture for Composite. Mmm... may be the 2nd TV is not HDCP (without the chip) ready ? I am not sure about this but, if possible, you can try switching using composite (RCA Yellow) cable from 2nd TV to the 1st TV and check. If the message did not appear now, then I suspect that the 2nd TV is not HDCP ready.

I am only guessing because you did not give enough detailed info when you used only 3 words (Copy Protection Failed).

I think I can be sure that your problem is because you did not use HDMI cable !

Here are some links with more info...
http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/aacs-hdmi-kill-component-2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System
http://www.sevenforums.com/music-pictures-video/61955-understanding-hdcp-blu-ray-copy-protection-its-h.html

AACS : Advanced Access Content System
HDCP : High-Definition Copy Protection

* Please do not be confused with AACS Copy Protection used in DVD or Bluray discs which worked in a different way.

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For other people ... mmm... I read a few posts such as... one which complained about the temporary 6 digit watermark, no "subtitles" in HD channels, etc... which I feel... mmm... are "very interesting" personal opinions. I do have "different" opinions. Short examples... someone complained about IR (or phosphor burning) damage on plasma TV from the temporary 6 digit characters that appeared in sports channels BUT did not complain when ALL TV channels, including RTM, TV3, NTV7, CNN, Fox Movies Premium, etc, have their permanent logos on top left or right. Second example... assuming that the temporary 6 digit characters in sports channels may be "to identify who's recorder is recorded from"... when Astro don't need such methods... when Astro can use the already existing lock from the smartcard 12 digit ID combined with Decoder box ID 16 digit number which can be easily detected. And it should not be possible for Astro to detect our decoder because our dish is not big enough to send signal back to satellite AND the LNB we used is a receiver, not a receiver/transmitter. In order for the satellite to identify us, a signal have to be sent back. We can relay from our mobile phone towers to a ground sub-station which can transmit to satellite. BUT Astro only used direct transmission from sat to our Byond box. We need a transmitter similar in some ways to our internet WiFi Modem Router. Many people also did not understand correctly how GPS tracking works from our handphone too... wrongly thinking that our phone can "send signal" directly back to the satellite. Many also didn't understand that the location detection is through triangulation from 3 satellites location detected and received by the phone... the software from the phone calculates our handphone location using the coordinates received from 3 sats... the phone did not send any direct signals back to the satellite... the mobile phone can only send signal to the nearest land-based phone tower. Astro did not use such towers yet because its too expensive to use it just to check the identity of each decoder. I also "see" other interesting posts too but I don't have much free time to post. I always welcome anyone to correct me if I am wrong so no problem for me as I can learn from my mistakes.

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Hey james, imho i agree with you on astro not sending back the signal to the satellite. The intention of having that code being visible is so that when someone pirates from the decoder box, and mass produce it, with the code, they would be able to tell which smart card and decoder box that code belongs to and trace from there. This is what my friend informed me of. [However, with a simple video edit of adding a black box to the code area to make the code not readable would have easily solved this lol]

They also enable that code because some retail shop owners would subscribe to home user astro license to be displayed in their shop/bar/mamak. By right they should be subscribing to the commercial license, which would cost much more. With those codes as well, they would be able to find out if they are illegally subscribing the wrong license type.


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post Apr 14 2012, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(chikana @ Apr 13 2012, 11:44 PM)
What do you understand about error correction or fec?
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In theory, if the FEC rate used is small, the chances of the transmitted bitrate data being able to be corrected will be lower.

Likewise, if FEC rate used is larger, the chances of correcting a corrupted bit will be higher, thus reducing errors created during transmission of a signal, because u are using slightly more bandwidth to forward error correct transmitted bits.

If Astro uses small FEC rate, you may experience easier tendency to get the service unavailable msg, compared to using a larger FEC rate. So... here is how u can test in Astro. When it rains at your place, try surfing the channels. Some may still be watchable despite the rain, some wouldn't [however you must also take account into the frequency those channels are locked to, hence it would only be fair to compare the same frequency set of channels to justify the FEC rate]
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But if testing on different frequency, it might not be a fair testing? The higher frequencies might be more susceptible to rain fade compared to the lower frequencies. Shouldn't that be taken account into?
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QUOTE(chuppachop @ Apr 15 2012, 12:18 PM)
50 in-house channels = more staff needed to produce trailers, schedule the channel, tape dubbing etc.

maybe astro trying to come across as being a good corporate citizen and create more jobs etc.  smile.gif

Don't lose hope.  smile.gif
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I agree with you on that! What most people don't understand is why go through all the trouble having such processes than just bring in another channel and just air it? Astro wants to create more opportunities for local music/film industry and at the same time grow local industry's filming scene. If you have seen those astro first own production, its not bad actually, like the recent cinta kura2. And I actually do feel proud as for once we are progressing in this industry. It may be slow, but better than nothing.

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QUOTE(smileguy @ Apr 16 2012, 04:01 PM)
Another thing bro, astro  wants to sell its In house to asian countries, Astro aruna,ria awani,celestial and a few more are in singapore already! hmm.gif
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Isn't that a good thing? esp for aruna and ria awani? They would able to feature our artists overseas... but of course the main motivation for astro would be to earn more by creating their own branding and exclusives on their own channels so that only their channels would carry the content, similar thing like sky uk in house channels. In a way it is indeed a very good way to secure subscribers.

Another reason I can solely think of is, to reduce their load in censorship? Imagine a violent drama being played in WLT 3 times daily, they just need to edit one master copy and let it run... where else for those overseas channel, the fella gotta sit thru all of them and re-edit again and again lol.
But of course, I'd prefer to have TVB Jade HD fom HK direct telecast, I'd like to see them all in HD. Zhi Zhun is quite boring apart from the few TVB slots.
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QUOTE(smileguy @ Apr 17 2012, 01:59 PM)
Now all in my mind ABN, gave up on astro,sick of their In house offerings,nothing exciting cool2.gif It seems like astro is "walking dead"!! biggrin.gif
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I think i'll put my hopes on unifi for now =D, they should bring in [V]HD and throw away that lousy V taiwan... all reality shows, zzz

QUOTE(Qash-M @ Apr 17 2012, 03:01 PM)
Too many K(orean)ulture on some Asstro music channel. doh.gif  Animax is the orly hope for me now.
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What I heard so far, they will add in more HD channels after olympics. One of them might be MTV HD.. (same as the one in unifi) but...I hope not... cause the original feed doesn't look HD at all... might as well bring in [V]HD... that one.. looked as good as Fox Movies Premium HD, on every single music videos... thats really a steal!
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good, that is quite a useless channel... just to earn more from the sms chat
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Nooooo it will be severely censored and they'll keep playing dodgy songs... and the selection of programming will be boring, they cant keep up with MTV/[V] featuring international artists with some news or upcoming plans/concerts... you won't see artists holding mtv/[v] mic and say hi and keep tuned to that channel etc lol... then you wont have fans sending in snail mails with creativity requesting for videos etc (somethin like mtv most wanted).

Worst of all they will have some stupid ugly banners covering half the screen just to display artist name, song title etc, unlike mtv being so simple now....

Those working in Hitz tv isn't working, they are just throwing stuff in to make the channel buzz, but it blows like rotten milk. Lol


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QUOTE(smileguy @ Apr 17 2012, 06:30 PM)
I support that, all sms money making chat shld be banned , some youths are so addicted and beleive whatever is on the screen,channel 212 chat bar should also go for good.Looks like astro is desperate for space,infact channels 111 can go too brows.gif
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That channel is the only few channel that doesn't censor overseas commercial, u can see KFC arab ads too lol... all funny funny kind of ads could be seen there... but some subscribers do watch it, but the only complaint is no subtitles lol

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