Hey there, we meet again .
I suggest that you drop Chinese . Nobody can stop you from doing that .
When filling up the form for SPM subjects , you can always leave out Chinese .
10+1 , Chinese will be your last subject , so no worries there . L.I.E will be a part of your main subs .

I considered taking L.I.E too , but the subject isn't easy , that's for sure . And I'll be the only person taking L.I.E in my school so I decided to drop that idea .

I want to try Accounts first , or Economics . See how it goes . If I'm happy with Acc , then I'll stick to it . I'll be taking 10 subs without Chinese .

By the way , how's your holiday coming along ? And do you know when will we get our PMR results ?

Why do I suggest him to drop it ?

Well firstly , he's having trouble with Chinese , as most of my friends do , seniors and juniors , and even top students . I've seen too many cases of students getting 10 A+ and 1 B for Chinese .

And if you know how Chinese in SPM is like , then you'll understand . It's the toughest subject in SPM and STPM , even tougher than Further Mathematics T .

Students are required to understand classical Chinese texts from ancient China , works by Confucius , Lao Tze , Sun Tzu etc ... It's not an easy task to be able to understand them all .

When it comes to SPM , students are supposed to narrow down their choices of subjects based on their capability ( whether they can cope with a particular subject or not ) , future career options and most importantly , their interest .

If TS dislikes a particular subject , and it has no benefit to him or whatsoever in the future , and cannot cope or excel in the subject , then why bother taking the subject if he can drop it ?

Having confidence in your mother tongue is something , but having confidence in your mother tongue in a major examination ( Chinese in SPM ) is another thing .

He has a solid foundation in Chinese, reading and writing , what comes next in SPM ( interpreting classical antiquities and texts from ancient China ) will not be much of a benefit in the future .

This post has been edited by maximR: Nov 17 2011, 04:36 PM

No , I did not . Why should I take it in order to know if Chinese STPM is harder than FM T in STPM ? Statistics does that for me . Then again , do you need to take STPM in order to know if its harder than SPM ?

It is now clear to me that you do not know anything about SPM Chinese . So I really think you should not argue about this matter .

What I was referring to is not the mark to score an A for Chinese . It is about the difficulty of that particular subject .
But since you know nothing about Chinese in SPM , there's nothing I can do .
You just don't get my point . Did I say anything about Chinese in university ?
Chinese language in universities are the basic ones , how to read and write simple words / sentences . You can't compare that to Chinese in SPM . Again , reread my point about interpreting classical texts .

I am baffled by the fact that you can suddenly divert your argument towards the Wright Brothers .
Consider this : The Wright Brothers were completely passionate about engineering . If they did not have the passion , do you think we'll have aeroplanes ? This brings up the point about your *interest* .

Think again .

*p/s : Without planes , we don't need to swim over the ocean , we have ships .

This post has been edited by maximR: Nov 17 2011, 08:25 PM

It's great that you have passion for Chinese and interpreting classical texts . Its rare to find someone like you appreciating the beauty of Chinese language . But most of the people I know who take Chinese despise it .

I didn't have passion at all in studying Chinese since kindergarten . I gave up on that . All I can do now is speak the language and read some simple words / sentences .

But I really love works by Confucius and Lao Tze . Analects and Tao Te Ching .

TS wants all A+ to secure a scholarship ... That is why I suggested that he drop it , but since its compulsory and he can do nothing about it , he decides to choose another subject .

Oh , sotong1992 , that explains everything . I was wondering , he reminds me of someone I know from EduEd , the way he expresses his opinions . Thank you happy berry !

Agreed . Next time I will contain my anger and not let it out thru our clean EduEd .