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post Sep 25 2021, 02:17 PM

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Hi all. Seeking for feedbacks on water heater of following models. I have narrow to two models which is Panasonic DH-3NDP1MS (digital) and Alpha I18 both with pump. However, i googled and there are few bad comments for the panasonic as the digital dont lock to the temperature you use that need to press everytime u use and quality not as good for a panasonic. Mind to share any other models that is good?
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post Sep 29 2021, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 26 2021, 01:52 AM)
Pana DH-3MP1/DH-3MP2 (with pump & push start) thumbup.gif

M series is tried and true workhorse. N series leh..my advise better buy M series, cheaper n more reliable due to lesser cost cutting.

Its the internal organs' reliability that matter.

I use the non pump DH-3MS1 for few years and works like a charm. LCD screen got the same old lifespan issue after 8-10 years (I'm sure u have seen digital watch, old monitors, calculator screens they turn purple or black "bruises" and then you need to fuss with fixing it via the polarizer film or the reflective backing film to get it working -- too much hassle)..
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Thanks bro. I can see you good in water heater brows.gif . By the way, i bought this model instead (Jet Pump) DH-3NP2MS without digital as i reconsider the typical usage
where the knob is easier to use vs digital is a bit troublesome.

This model is okay right? I choose this mainly because is goldish brown color as the showerhead is bigger and don't turn yellow smile.gif

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post Oct 5 2021, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 29 2021, 07:21 PM)
Generally we used many Pana series but as you can see above..

How to tell M or N
https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...ome-shower.html
The rose gold stuff is N series
The black and white workhorse model is M series
Not a bro sad.gif sis here.
Without LCD lesser long term problem. Generally Pana WH no problem but (see above case by our forumer) was from N series.. hence i still would recommend the more boring M series type, this one many friends n neighbour using all OK.
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Hi Sis..Pardon my bad :-( Forgive me ya smile.gif .. Anyway I bought the N series pump rose gold but with Knob. Hopefully, everything will be okay and can serve me many years to go as I like the design and shower head that matches my bathroom wall tiles.. By the way, what is the average lifespan of a water heater? My parent's house is having the old Alpha non-pump model and I think around 10-13years already. I am thinking to change it to a new one since is very old after all is 300-400 only.


By the way i saw this, for Panasonic water heater need to press the button to off it right? Not like other brand you can just turn off your tap and it will cut off? hmm.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqiWBfzlGPg&t=14s

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post Oct 5 2021, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 5 2021, 07:33 PM)
Generally WH does wear out over time.. but most importantly is that you can use a cheap heater but MUST have 10mA RCD fitted + proper installation.

Typically WH can last a decade or more.. some even since 1997 laugh.gif after 15 years tank health will be affected by corrosion and your old hose/shower head also clogged with limescale. One new push start WH only costs from 280-400 so its only like 28-40 bucks a year if you divide by 10 years.

Without that 10mA RCD.. every year or two people sayonara https://www.st.gov.my/en/contents/presentat...er%20Heater.pdf
those cases in the ST PDF don't have 10mA (0.01A) WH-specific circuit RCD installed.

As the whole house one is likely fitted with 100mA (0.1A).. or 300mA (0.3A) (higher mA leakage tolerance = close more eyes), effectively in practice not many older homes have a sensitive (and "safe for school use") 30mA (0.03A) whole house RCD in the DB box, so those 100/300mA whole house RCD is the only safety (which is technically useless like an airbag that deploy 3 mins after accident).

I have retrofitted 10mA (0.01A) WH-specific circuit RCD to be safe for my old 1997 heater, but it may require pulling a new dedicated LNE power line from DB box as that 10mA is super sensitive and cannot operate on shared neutral.

Yes, for Pana (and Hitachi) push start models, [the water flow + heater activation] is controlled together by the big push switch.
Shutting off the water only at the inlet valve / built-into-the-wall valve will also turn it off (in a CRUDE method similar to the factory production line big red button) as the flow sensor (to avoid dry burn like what Selene mentioned) will trip off the heaterbut it is not the proper way lah. Proper way, use the push on/off big push switch.  thumbup.gif

WH is exposed and easy to fix or change new one. The built-into-the-wall stuff should be used as minimal as possible, if the valve wear out then you might need to hack to replace it.
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That is one good point for the on/off button where typically the tap valve will wear off in few years. Other Water heater dont have the on/off which makes
the Panasonic is good USP. How do i check if my house is connected to the 10mA RCD? Mine is the developer install original plug point for water heater already [20amp] i think.
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post Oct 8 2021, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Oct 8 2021, 02:06 AM)
Hello, how's your N series water heater?
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i have yet to install it. Still waiting for the renovations to be complete. For this model, I have few friends using this, so far is good and they choose this over
the digital ones for simplicity.
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post Oct 8 2021, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Oct 8 2021, 10:16 AM)
You chose the non pump or pump version?
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i go for the pump version for better water pressure given that normal houses are gravity flow. Long-term wise is better in my opinion. Unless you are in a condo
where it already has built-in pump, you may consider the non-pump.

 

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