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alexander3133
post Dec 22 2016, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(imoogi99 @ Dec 22 2016, 09:24 PM)
RCD or ELCB in the Alpha 18i.  The salesman told me it is ELCB and website (http://www.alpha-electric.com/showroom_smart-series_18i.html) also mentioned ELCB. Remember that ELCB and RCD/RCB works differently.

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Even Panasonic latest instant water heater looks like also using EL©B, mentioned inside "See All Specs" in the link below.
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...dh-3ndp1ms.html

Recent news stated something like this:
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The Energy Commission (Suruhanjaya Tenaga) in 2014 had then issued a circular which is concurrent with The Electricity Regulations 1994 which it has uploaded on its website to urge developers to practise the correct use of the RCD especially for the water heater equipment.
Source: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-heater-unsafe/

Looks like I should change the instant water heater switch to the one equipped with RCD.
I hope that the ELCB and RCD can work well together.
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post Jun 5 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(ask_dino @ Jun 5 2017, 10:11 AM)
Anybody using this model? Panasonic DH-3NDP1MS care to do short review?
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Bought one during fair, used for about a month, so far so good, satisfied.

1) With temperature set to a fix value, the power applied to the water heater depends on the incoming water flow rate, example, if water flow rate suddenly lowered, the power applied to the water heater will be lower also, hence reduce power consumption, and vice versa.

2) Water pump is always turned on whenever the unit is turned on via the push On-Off button, no way to turn off the pump manually. The pump noise level is acceptable for me, not too loud.

3) Water temperature settings retains as long as you don't turn off the main power supply to the unit. The clock settings will always get retained, regardless of the main supply, because there is a coin battery inside the unit.
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post Jun 22 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Jun 22 2017, 12:07 AM)
I got the same problem as urs. Is the unit faulty?
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The Panasonic water heater operating differently than the Alpha water heater.

Alpha water heater does not have additional "On-Off" switch on the unit itself versus the Panasonic one.

To operate the Panasonic water heater, the water supply has to be turn on all the time, just switch on and off the water heater by pressing the "On-Off" button on the unit, given that the circuit breaker is on. The product manual has specifically mentioned that do not turn off water supply to the water heater when the unit is operating, or something similar to that.
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post Aug 14 2017, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(kop2299 @ Aug 14 2017, 04:44 PM)
how do you feel about the water pressure? Normal or powerful? I am comparing to Joven/Alpha rain shower before buying
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For me, the water pressure coming out from the Panasonic DH-3NDP1MS water heater is just nice.
Staying in around the middle floor of a 29 floors condo.

My preference towards not so powerful water pressure as I do have experience using water heater with high pressure water that feel hurt on my skin during showering.

I believe this water heater can vary its pump speed according to the incoming water pressure, to maintain steady water pressure or flow and also water temperature.
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post Sep 26 2017, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Sep 26 2017, 07:28 PM)
can you give an idea how much % boost the pump gives? i'm not fancy the pump is always on. are there other Panasonic models that can manually turn off the pump?

also the non-jet pump version of your model, is exactly built the same minus the pump?

how much amp does heater normally use (with pump) can normal switch & cable support?
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I bought the same Panasonic water heater for my parent house.
My parent house is landed house, where upper stair water pressure is very low. Whenever someone use water downstair, there will be almost no water coming out from the previous water heater shower head.

Since changed to this Panasonic water heater with pump, no more this problem, I can't give you a percentage boost from the pump, but it does solve low water pressure problem.

I do not own the non-jet pump version of the water heater so I have no idea, but from the spec, it looks like the non-jet pump version just lack of the pump only, if compare to the jet pump version.

I do not actually know how many amp use, but from the spec, the rated power is around 3.6kW, so around 15 Amp. My condo existing wiring no problem with this water heater. Switch better use double pole switch.

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post Oct 6 2017, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Oct 6 2017, 08:09 PM)
hi, anyone using DH-3NDP1MS or similar water heater?

want to ask regarding the ELCB Test Button, when you press the button, do you feel a click on the button?

i haven't install the heater yet but when i push the ELCB button at bottom up, i press the ELB Test button, i don't feel anything, not even a click like button should, is something wrong?
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I just tried, the ELCB button works only whenever the unit has power supply to it.
Pressing that button without power supply won't produce the "click" feeling and sound.
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post Oct 6 2017, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Oct 6 2017, 09:16 PM)
ok thanks alot, just to confirm it's the square button on the face of the heater, not the reset button at the bottom.

i always though buttons are buttons only difference is whether it works or not when you press. 1st time i see button stuck when no power connected.
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Yes, the button on the face of the water heater, not the button ELCB reset button.

I think you had use older Panasonic or National water heater before, where the ELCB button can be press even without power supply to the water heater.

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post Mar 9 2018, 06:07 PM

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Just my observation for running my instant water heater with and without water pre-filter or sediment filter.

My house has two instant water heater installed, before I install water pre-filter for my water heater, I use only one water heater for like 3 months, in washroom A.

I started to notice that there is a sort of sediment deposit on the shower head. The deposit is close to a white colour, and because the shower head is black in colour, the deposit can be easily spotted.

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This white deposit can be wiped off using finger.

After I installed water pre-filter on both of my water heater, I started to use water heater in washroom B.
It has been around 6 months and there is no white deposit seen on the water heater shower head in washroom B.

But I can see the water pre-filter cartridge turned from white to brownish colour.
So it looks like the white deposit on the shower head is indeed sediment.

I would recommend to install pre-filter or sediment filter on water heater if you want your water heater to last longer.
Landed house or apartments that are able to install point of entry (POE) filter, will not need another filter install near the water heater.

Especially storage type water heater, sediment build up in the tank slowly and when years passed, the water heater may have reduced heating efficiency or even malfunction depending on the seriousness.

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post Mar 9 2018, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Mar 9 2018, 07:00 PM)
You underscored an important point not just for water heaters but whatever a POE filter protects, tap, shower wand, solar heaters, washing machine etc. It makes a difference also between the type of filters used. Sand, membrane and PPE fabric. If using sand plus others, have one simple sediment before and after as they can be overcome by fine mud fouling etc. This is esp evident for homes at the end of a cul de sac or very near the pump house. Sand, grit, mud infiltrates like no tomorrow beyond the sand media pore size.

POU filters for showers are useful too, to cut out chlorine and heavy metals.
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I understand the important of POE filter.
But poorfag like me can't afford landed house, condo management not allow us to install POE filter at meter side.
And I have tried requesting management and even developer for water piping layout so that I can scope out the point where I can install POE filter inside my condo, but sadly there is no such layout available from both of the parties.
Therefore I will have to live with POU filter.

 

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