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 Simple FAQ for Secondary School-Leaver, Guide for moving into tertiary education

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post Dec 2 2005, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(Tony C @ Nov 29 2005, 07:59 PM)
just to add to cynthia's comment:

different pre-u courses have different features to suit different ppl, so choose one that suits yourself. for example, a-level is 100% exam-based. there's no assignments or whatsoever. so if you're the kind of person who can do well in memorising facts, then by all means go for a-level. but if you're the kind of person who don't do well in exams, but is capable of handling assignments and projects, then go for something else such as SAM or foundation studies.
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Not really, while memory work plays a part in exams it is not everything in an Advanced level test. It is structured to test how well you know the subject matter.

Some useful input, foundation is a broad term, it is used in many ways. Many institutions offer foundation programs that when completed, allows one to enrol into a degree program awarded by that institution or some partner institution. It is usually assess internally and pretty much tailored for the degree course that you intend to do.

A-levels is simply form 6, british sixth form, it prepares one for tertiary studies. The malaysian equivalent is the STPM. They offer a variety of subjects and the topics covered is far higher than what one has encounterd at SPM or O-levels.




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post Dec 3 2005, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(wetwetwater @ Dec 3 2005, 11:13 AM)
Foundation is a Basic Year for the Degree that you are going to pursue.
i.e. If you want to do a Degree in Engineering, before you enter into the degree course, you will have to do a basic foundation. Normally takes 1 year.

A-Levels is just like Form 6. It is the UK version of Form 6 where you will choose a few(4) subjects to study in i.e. Maths, Chemistry, Accounts, Law & etc. A-Levels is mostly meant for people who wants to go overseas to complete their degree in places like UK or Australia.

If you are really sure of what degree you want to pursue in now, do not waste time with Pre-Uni courses(SAM, CPU, A-Levels). Straight away enrol yourself into the Foundation year of the degree and move on.

If you are not sure, think again. It is not advised to go into Pre-Uni courses and giving the excuse that you will have more time to think. You WON'T!(I've been through this)
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Even if you know what you want to do, A-levels or stpm is still a good choice as it provides a solid foundation for your tertiary studies, besides you can be very certain that the results you get are impartial as the papers are marked externally. Also doing such courses allows you to apply for a course that you want at any institution.

Foundation on the other hand only allows you to enrol yourself to a a program that you want at certain partner institution and the standard can be questionable as there is nothing that can stop the lecturers from giving out exam tips and hints.
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post Dec 6 2005, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(benQue @ Dec 5 2005, 11:51 PM)
so..if i take foundation in malaysia..

there is no way for me to take it oversea?

i mean after ive finished my foundation..is it not recognise by other country?

but i heard foundation is the fastest route to get a degree..is it true?

thz in advance.
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Yes it is true, foundation courses typically last for 6-12 months.

We need to be careful when we use this term as foundation is a blanket term which puts everything under one roof.

To give a clearer picture, Some foundations are not recoginised, some are.

For example, engineering foundation at inti college. I believe that it is an internal program, tailored and moderated for certain foreign universities, once you have completed the course with satisfactory result, it is possible for you enrol yourself into one of the engineering twinning programs at inti. However the universities that you can transfer to in your later years or enrol yourself in the first year is pretty much restricted. Only universities which have an agreement with inti allow you to transfer into their programs.

There are also foundation programs which act as a feeder program to the parent university. For example, MUFY, UNSWFY and others. Such courses last for a year and if you meet the minimum requirements, you will be guaranteed a place in that particular university. You will still be able to enrol yourself in another university but you will be subjected to other requirements.

In the end, it depends on what foundation program you are doing.

PS: If you intend to do MUFY or UNSWFY i suggest that you do a broad based pre-u course as the options are wider in the event that you change your mind about the university you wanna go.

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post Dec 7 2005, 12:51 PM

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A person holding an Advanced level qualification must take the IELTS or TOEFL unless the person concerned has a grade C in english in the IGCSE/GCSE/O-levels exams.

PS: 1119 is not regarded as an O-level english paper, O-level english means english exams examined and awarded by GCE awarding bodies.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Dec 7 2005, 04:17 PM)
feynman, does that mean A-level students still have to take english test to go oversea? can u confirm this? is english at SPM or STPM considered O-level? i might have missed the english requirement in my explanations.

will correct them if it is confirmed.
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Yes, All A-level students must take IELTS or TOEFL unless one has obtain grade C and above for GCE Ordinary Level/IGCSE/GCSE english.

SPM english is not recognised for a variety of reasons. MUET too is not recognised by foreign universities generally.
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post Dec 8 2005, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 8 2005, 06:49 PM)
I know just a bit.

Yeah I submitted my matrics form before the deadline.

Trial 9A's 2B's.

Actually I dont really want to be spoonfed, just give me a place to start. Newspaper or website or someplace.
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start googling......
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post Dec 11 2005, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(Aying @ Dec 11 2005, 08:56 PM)
What about UEC!!! Where does it fit in...
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Anywhere except local public universities.
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post Dec 15 2005, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(CrossharE @ Dec 15 2005, 12:48 AM)
Are u guys sure that by taking matriculation, I cannot apply for overseas Uni? How bout scholarships for overseas Uni? Can I apply for that with Matrics?
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Only to the US as proof of completion of secondary studies, you must have the SATs too.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Dec 16 2005, 05:11 PM)



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post Dec 19 2005, 01:24 AM

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Entering local public universities with A-levels? Impossible, unless you are doing weird courses.....

No...don't go anywhere during that critical period. Besides people will usually visit the UK during summer, that is the holiday season, warmer too.
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QUOTE(gsdfan @ Dec 29 2005, 01:21 PM)
Sorry for bumping in and talk about STPM...(almost like Alevels what, PreU studies too)..

Anyone from TARC.... I heard TARC STPM is not accepted by all local U cause they only accept gov. school STPM..can anyone clarify this?

Sorry for asking this again in this thread... I suppose this is the right place to ask...

Anyway.. what's the difference between Alevels and STPM? Does Alevel got more subjects?

TARC STPM course.. is it expensive? or is it cheaper than Alevel?
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STPM is STPM, not distinction no matter where you did it.

A-levels as far as i know has a greater number of subjects to choose from, but we only see the common ones here because not many people would study ICT, performing arts, music, psychology, government and politics etc....

STPM is free, it is unnecessary to pay to do form 6.

If you want the figures, check out TARC's website, thats the least you can do.
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post Dec 30 2005, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(blu3_apple @ Dec 30 2005, 09:42 AM)
I've got a question  between S.A.M and 'A' Levels
A lot people enter SAM right ? Means need better results to enter university compared with A-level ? And i heard that SAM is easier than A-level and less pressure ...

And can we use SAM to enter UK university ? Is it really worldwide recognized ? What if after i done my SAM and wish to pursue my studies in MedicaL or LAW . Is it possible ?

A-level or SAM need more effort to pass everything and move on to tertiary studies ??

Can anyone briefly explain what's the courseworks for SAM ??

Hope someone will answer some of my question. Thanks .
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You are required to labour for both courses, the only difference is the method of labouring.

However, It is much easier to maintain grades of AAA than to consistently maintain a grade point of 99.0 and above for your TER.

Yes, you can use SAM to enter british universities, however you may need to contact the respective admission tutors to see what are their specific requirements from applicants with SAM.

I do not recommend SAM if you want to do medicine in the UK, it is nearly impossible to get in with SAM. Medical places in the UK have quotas for international students, so students who apply for medicine are usually the best in their classes. Besides, top british law and medical schools are very traditional, emphasis is still very much on examinations.
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post Dec 30 2005, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(nicholas84 @ Dec 30 2005, 02:21 PM)
from what i know
SAM is only applicable in Australia and Alevels is in UK, SAT would be US

those are preU exams u need to qualify into their country university

my 2 cents
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No, there isn't any sort of binding in anyway.

You can use SAM to get into the UK and vice versa. However, the proportion of people doing so are much lower than the proportion of people going into australian universities with A-levels.
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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 5 2006, 11:37 PM)
eto ... my dad asked me to go monash ... which has the course im interested in ...
so is monash good or bad ?
mechatronics smile.gif he say ...
i actually wanted to choose mechanical and electronics ...
but once i saw mechatronics ... i prefer that subject ...
but which university/coll is the best for mechatronics ? in Malaysia smile.gif

my dad plan to send me to monash then after a few years go aus ...
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It is ok....
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post Jan 7 2006, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 6 2006, 11:29 PM)
can you elaborate ? i dont quite understand ...
and 1 more question to answer ...
which uni/coll best for mechatronics
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It is ok....monash is competent...need not worry too much.

Best universities?......try imperial or MIT.....Imperial doesn't offer mechatronics...
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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Jan 17 2006, 09:50 PM)
We can get full marks for the Co-Curiculum thingy if we joined NS rite??
But is the CO-Curiculum thingy useful if u are goin overseas?
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Yes, if it affects the calculation of your STPM grades. Other than that, not really useful.

If you are applying to some american universities, a strong ECA would be very encouraging. However, most universities admit students solely on academic achievement.

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QUOTE(onimusha_m16 @ Jan 17 2006, 11:53 PM)
when will JPA/others offer scholarships? is it after the spm result come out?
do u think chinese can get that scholarships easily than malays?

walau.... really if cant get have to suffer in form 6.
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why so racist?

Yes, application for undegraduate scholarships will open right after the release of SPM results.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 18 2006, 08:52 PM)
which part of "meritocracy" didnt u guys understand? it's been published in the newspapers sometime ago. u can go back and check at JPA if u want. the criterias nowadays DOES NOT INCLUDE RACE. there're no quotas anymore.

but be aware that most chinese come from well-funded family, with usually about 1-2 siblings. u list that down and compare with the other applicants, u'll see that majority of malays who applied for scholarships earns about RM2000 a month per family with 4-5 children.

and later u'll compare the results laa.

do note, this is application for scholarship/loan, not application for the studies itself.
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For scholarships, the major requirement must be academic studies no matther what reason. Scholarships must be given to those who can study and not because one is from a less fortunate family.


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 18 2006, 09:35 PM)
that's true ofcourse.

i'm writing that out of my "malas-nak-layan" attitude. haha.
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But if it is loans or convertible loans, then it is different story altogether.
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:42 PM

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engineering, 3-4 years
medicine, typically 6 years.

To tell the truth, it won't look appleasing if you say you either want to do engineering or medicine.

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