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 Gold investment corner v4, Will gold price achieve USD2000 by 2012?

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post Feb 21 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Feb 20 2012, 10:29 AM)
by end of this year 2012, many Singaporean (brought from UOB stored in MY) and Malaysian will move some of their gold to SG for storage.
many may move out their storage from bonded warehouse to CERTIS storage.



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post Feb 27 2012, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Feb 27 2012, 03:49 AM)
Took me 1 hour to read only 20 pages.

so I might choose PBank to start my very first inversement because I able to buy and sell online.

Im not hoping to earn big, but enough as pocket money instead getting from parent every month.
Is that ok theat gold as short-term investment ?

Let say I buy 100 gram at rm170 today, then after few days, price increase at rm171 and I sell it. so my profit is rm100 right?  Next I wait the price to drop again to buy and sell when price increase again.  Keep repeating....
iz that ok? please do correct me if im wrong. I have no buddy to ask. All of my friend lucky to have a rich dad, so nothing to worry about money issues.
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if it so easy every body would have done it. All parent will be very rclxms.gif biggrin.gif
Instead of earning $ U may end up losing lot of time and maybe some monetary lost.

u 1 pocket money go and work part time.
as of now gold is a game of "TAHAN LAMA", "ENDURANCE games"
form my experience those who keep the longest are the winners.
THose who cash out earlier now unable to buy back the gold they have sold earlier.



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post Feb 27 2012, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Feb 21 2012, 03:05 PM)
Seem like everywhere is collecting Gold back from the public. saw Gold booth in hypermarket inspecting for free service.
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well, they just looking for fools, desperado to sell them at cheap prices.
given the choice u don;t 1 2 sell to them lah.


Added on February 27, 2012, 9:51 am
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 27 2012, 09:42 AM)
Took me 3 years to learn about gold from 1999 to 2001........  nod.gif

Before my first purchase
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i think the learning curve is shorter now for new bie cause there are tonnes of material out there now everywhere.
Back in 1999 to 2001, very few material on it. U really need to search for it and perhaps your networking is very good or U R very lucky then U get to know it early and buy early.


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post Feb 29 2012, 09:26 AM

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the elite control the media which indirectly control the people perception about everything. They also control the text book.
that's has been going on for the past 100 years.
Once Internet came out in full blown by 2000, we have now full distrust on the press, government everywhere,
then the real perception begin and gold price goes up and up.
Nevertheless current perception is still focus on money and not energy.
Once, the harsh reality of energy unavailability arrived, people will realize it's not about $, it about lack of resources.


QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 28 2012, 09:30 PM)
USD just removed gold backed policy during 70's.
It has nothing to do with fiat.
And none of other currency being gold backed before, only USD did.
Gold backed just means, people can exchange the USD to equivalent of gold amount.
Which indirectly means, you limit the currency that can be printed only by the amount of gold you have. Nothing to do with fiat system, it is more like self control mechanism and instill confidence on your money.

Fiat system already exist before the gold backed removing.

Money has no intrinsic value, so does properties, and gold.
Any value we given, like
RM 1 is RM1,
1 gram of gold is Rm175,
1 house worth RM500k

is given and perception by human kind in the fiat system.

Rm1 is just a paper printed RM1 that we have confidence people willing to exchange goods with us.
Gold is value, because people perceive it has a value by human kind due to scarcity of the metal. If not, it is an AU yellow metal and good conductor metal.
Properties, is cement, rock, sand that make a space for human to live in.

Whatever value a gold, a property, a paper money, is given by us. Itself has no value, until everyone agree so.

Just like 2000, people agreed gold not worth much, only USD300, so gold value at USD 300 and can exchange goods equivalent to USD300.

Until one day, gold is constantly value like 1kg will forever let one to exchange a property or 100 tons of rice, or something like that, then may be it has some intrinsic value. But we know, it never happened before.


Added on February 28, 2012, 9:38 pmYou may not old enough to know gold lose its value in the loss decades of gold from 1980 to 2002.
So there is no such thing of intrinsic value, the value changed due to people perception all the time.

Yes, one may not lose entirely like fiat money (if defaulted or devalue) with gold. But gold can lose its value as well. Last time you can buy a bowl of mee with 0.01 g, but now you cannot buy the same bowl of mee with 0.01g now. So gold lose the value until now, (at least until now, after 25 years or so). In the future, it may gain you, I don't know, but this is a reality and facts, that whatever value is constant changing due to people perception.
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Added on February 29, 2012, 9:50 amUSD gold backed was removed due to
1. High cost in Vietnam War
2. French is exchanging a lot of USD to gold drying up US gold stockpile.

Once the dollar backing was removed, gold price when up from USD35/- oz to over USD100/oz and never drop back to below USD100/oz

To preserve the perception of fiat, Nixon made a deal with Saudi, requested them to sell oil in USD in return for security of the Saudi kingdom.
Everybody needs oil to function, so USD is maintained as a reserve currency due to petrol-dollar.
until now.

Government can keep printing fiat to keep everything happy, until once run out of resources. Now its OIL. later many more.
People sick of the lack of discipline in many government which print endless amount of $ so people switch to hard assets like Precious Metal.


QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 28 2012, 09:30 PM)
USD just removed gold backed policy during 70's.
It has nothing to do with fiat.
And none of other currency being gold backed before, only USD did.
Gold backed just means, people can exchange the USD to equivalent of gold amount.
Which indirectly means, you limit the currency that can be printed only by the amount of gold you have. Nothing to do with fiat system, it is more like self control mechanism and instill confidence on your money.


Yes, one may not lose entirely like fiat money (if defaulted or devalue) with gold. But gold can lose its value as well. Last time you can buy a bowl of mee with 0.01 g, but now you cannot buy the same bowl of mee with 0.01g now. So gold lose the value until now, (at least until now, after 25 years or so). In the future, it may gain you, I don't know, but this is a reality and facts, that whatever value is constant changing due to people perception.
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post Mar 9 2012, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 9 2012, 04:01 PM)
Even FD gave at least 5~7% interest. Expect zero increase in fiat money?  laugh.gif

I don't want profit, I just demanded the same equivalent a bowl of mee, as many claim gold remain the same value, hedge you inflation one, aka hedge me the bowl of mee.

I can buy a bowl of mee with RM0.20~Rm0.50 back then, ok give the upper price to you, Rm0.50 which was equivalent to 0.01g of gold value  (as posted USD20/gm so roughly Rm50/g) can buy you a bowl of mee.

Now is Rm5.00, with the same 0.01 g gold I had, you need to pay me RM500/g.

Ok deal, sold to you at Rm500/g.  rclxms.gif


Added on March 9, 2012, 4:02 pm

Even bought earlier at USD250, still return is far from promising and far from inflation hedge.
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from my past conversation. My conclusion is.
Hope everyone can understand some of our position and respect it.

cherroy can tell us what is the drawback of everything and sometimes with GOLDEN MEEHOON Mathematics. tongue.gif . Just joking no offense ok.
He is still searching for the right answer. For he is not convince of any answer right now.


prophetjul :- Buy gold only and NUMISMATIC Silver from perth mint.

goldchan: oil is the most important thing. PM is something transition this 3-5 years.

nevertheless you can always agree to disagree.

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post May 3 2012, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 3 2012, 08:03 AM)
Maybank do not require the original receipts as i understand it...........
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just go to a busy branch will do. they will fast2 settle it for U and moved on to other customer. if relax branch sometime they got nothing better 2 do ask receipts this and that.

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post Jun 5 2012, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Jun 5 2012, 02:16 PM)
if the bank dat issues the paper gold go busted, d paper is nothing more than toilet paper. n its not insured by pidm... but  then again.. sg bank looks safe to me.. not sure about others
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if it is properly hedge then its OK provided the exchange pay them then its OK.
problem is they 1 2 make more $ and do not the hedging and when market move rapidly then kena caught and pass back the lost to you.


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