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DJ_Lefty
post Mar 15 2006, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Oct 22 2005, 03:49 AM)
Well, sometimes there's some bad apples here in the jobs and careers section trying to hunt for potential victim.

So the main purpose of this thread is to let people share/discuss/ask about any frauds/scams/incidents that are related to their work be it online or offline.

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Yup, that's right. Truth is, I've also "misused" this thread to advert some job which I've involved with. Well to answer your call, I going to post some misunfornate victim which I encounter. Nobody could tell it better than someone who is doing it for the sake of money right?

In return, please inform other forum thread so that nobody will get fooled by these so called "head hunter".

I will post a topic in this section.
DJ_Lefty
post Mar 17 2006, 06:11 PM

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Vacancy! Vacancy? Vancancy!?

First of all i would like to apologize to those who is going to be mad because of what I am posting here. Well this is not job advertizing, rather it just some reminder so you won't be dissappointed of being cheated.

As I have promised to you guys earlier, I will tell you guys about some scam which I myself involved with. The only thing I will not tell you guys is my name, the company name, companies director and associates. For those people who are already being cheated by this company, gives this topic a reply and also tell others about this company.

Lets start with a little background of this company. The company name is **solution S.B, i told you i won't tell you guys it's name. It Director is En. Z, it's financial advisor is Pn. F and some "Datuk" also involved in this scam by the name of Datuk K (not the one which with Siti nurhaliza maa). These are the important person in this company, the others are non significant but also involve.

Companies business? Doing outsourcing for another outsourcing company...??? So you guys can get a clear picture by imagine this; An outsource company is hired by some big company to do a job which requires a lot of human resources. Some of the job scope, well mostly is involved with customer relation management, servicing contractor and also to find potential customer which the big companies find itself limited of doing it themselves. Actually the goverment has set up laws that protect an employee. Most of you do know about this right? So the point of the big company outsource to another company is to reduce overhead budget so to speak. They don't have to pay EPF, SOCSO, bonus and many other thing. So if 1 big company outsource it to a ****tech S.B and this ****tech S.B then outsource it again to **solution S.B, think how many that you will get?

An outsource companies still want to cover themselves with something like consultant company (please guys, don't buy it) tongue.gif

But in the end, it is where you put a stand in your belief. Because this company will do anything to get you, makes you believe in them.. Actually its not an employee that they want. How would you like to pay for a job that they can't even guaranteed that they will give it to you? Quite frankly, it's your money they're after, to jump start their own company. How do they do it? They will say all of the things you want to hear, basic salary in contract term and a job guaranteed after 3 month contract, insurance, training with LAN credit, Uniform, phone top-up and even phone. How pretty is that? The catch? Before some rattle caused by previous batch of people they hired before, to get the job you need to pay RM1500 for training they held for executive. At least RM750 must be cleared for you to start working(???). Well now they lower the rate so that it wouldn't be "burden" to you. But the RM1500 remain intact, only they varies the method of payment (they even make the installment plan and also loan from institution in the name of training certificate) according to their "taylor made" job depending on which payment you pay. (Money...money....moooneeey) They even make you sign a contract so that they can "slaughter" you in any case things go wrong. If you ever see how they run their mouth and how they make promise to make you sign the contract is amazing. If you can see that is, try to provoke them by waving some money in from of them and say "I have the money but do you have?" Their employee gains their wages through you, mind me. It's true!! it's true!! Nah maybe that way too much, but you can always open your mouth and ask them if you didn't sign the contract and pay the money can they give you the job? See what excuses they will give to you. if that didn't get thru, try ask them something which may raise the big question "why do we need to pay for the job that we can't choose and on top of that its just a plain sales promoter?". Remember that this job is an outsource job, suppose you should have some of the dough too, but if all you get is just a sliver of it then you better forget it.


Blu****ppo, that what you will promoting to the customer. The big company
which I mention is **net. Before, there were a bunch of people who got trapped in this scam, you see they are not going to brag about how people response to this program by saying there is a hundred people working now, there WAS a hundred people, but now there is nobody left. \
Some of the thing that I have encounter before regarding the contract:

1. Some of us which are the "early bird" has a few question were left unanswered regarding the contract term. it seem that the company didn't want to return the money paid to them although the contract hasn't been signed by the candidate brought by us.

2. Not to mention for candidate which has signed the contract. According to the term of the contract, Refund will be given based on the training they attended. Some of the candidate felt being cheated soon after they been told that they will be doing sales job rather than office job they promised and also there weren't any basic salary as promised. They want they money back considered the training hasn't started (some of them even borrow from someone and want to pay them back). You know what reason they give to the candidates? "some of the policy can be changed, even the government change their policy"

Now they're changing some of the term of the contract and want the candidate to see it's clearly stated in the contract. So what are they? The sales and marketing type of job is clearly stated in in the contract, so that nobody would complaint. Other significant change is No refund of money. Zero. Of course they stating about 3 month contract, salary (??), and insurance and all that stuff.

Some information about me in that particular company:

Actually I can tell you about my experience and why I am doing this. I am a recruiter and my job scope is to bring in possible candidate to sign-up for the program. Its not easy but I can get along with it, considering that the company didn't give anything (no basic salary) and didn't even give a damn how we do it. For the first month we recruiter are like struggling to bring in candidate and sign them up. Some of the recruiter a facing a delusional hope syndrome (haha) that is at end of month they gonna go for shopping spree. What they didn't know that this company is going to get a free work-donkey (not related to workhorse, and sorry for the made-up slang). So there we are, doing work for free. I manage to get thru with some other recruiter in the 1st month. But the real challenge was when the company (fellow director) just shoot the bullet to the candidate which attending the class (they told that not all of them would get the job after three month). Nearly half of the candidate was furious and demand the refund, because they want to quit. About 30 candidates were left from 68 people. the second month, most of the recruiters are already gain a steady flow of people coming in. the remaining 1st batch continued their program (because if their don't, their afraid of what written in the contract paper, that they will fined up to RM3000). By that time combined with newly registered candidates, a near 100 people were in the program. They hope to get a decent job "by paying hard earned money" once the training complete. Also in that 2nd month, I had brought in my relative which I felt that since they're not working, might as well bring them in. So I told my relative about how good this job would and I even guarantee it. So my relative attend the briefing felt a little uninterested but when I consult them, them agree to pay that day. I told them to read the term before signing up the contract, and guess what? There are too many uncertainties in the term, which they decide not to sign the contract and they want to withdraw their money. And that is reason why am I writing this article and why I am against that company policies.

Sorry for bad phrases and grammar error if it caused you guys hard to understand what I am saying here. If it related to this matter or you are one of those guys that we've cheated (hey we're just follow what our company told us), or have something to be mad about, drop or post something here okay?

 

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