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 Patch 1.4.2 PTR Notes, EMP got nerfed.

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post Oct 26 2011, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Oct 26 2011, 08:46 AM)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662
It is a weird patch. What is the reason behind for the cost reduction for Protoss upgrade? It's seem it come from nowhere, although the EMP nerf is justified.
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not sure if troll.


Added on October 26, 2011, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(keretapir @ Oct 26 2011, 07:28 PM)
yes,shield upgrades also affects buildings.n workers.n all other toss units..
thus make them more potent to make toss ball of death.with the buff on upgrade cost for those shields,even a 0/1/1 probe can win 0/1 drone if both were to attack at the same time...

so,another tip for smurfers..go all-in mass probes with full 0/3/3 upgrades.even no-upgraded lings or marines having a hard time killing them (lings 5dmg,marines 6dmg versus probes 6 armor)
i think better nerf range,since almost all terran units (apart from scv of course) have ranged attacks..
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you know it doesnt work that way, right?

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post Oct 26 2011, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Oct 26 2011, 11:35 PM)
How is a troll, may I ask?
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you do know protoss as a race is pretty sadding and they rely a ton on their upgrades (read: rely. i dont see other races even need to rely on their +'s that much) right?
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post Oct 27 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(r4dic4l @ Oct 27 2011, 12:37 AM)
no ppl in their right mind will target stalkers with emps... even if so it'd require good micro to dodge the emps. Ppl usually emp HT, sentries, archons and massed chargelots...

don't tell me u always emp stalkers...
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>2011
>emp zealots over stalkers

ISHYGDDT
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post Nov 7 2011, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 7 2011, 03:40 PM)
not before long before prince of zerg, stephano rises now with ruhless mass speedling, infestor n ultralisk play.... the 1st time i seen such hyper aggresive zerg shuld play and how i think zerg shuld be played.im suprise wif all toss buff no new prince rises to crush all terran opposition and rule for many days to come
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wow this one... this is good quality joke we have here!

have you considered a career as a comedian?
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post Nov 8 2011, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 8 2011, 12:54 AM)
u think im joking bro? nowadays the only way for me to beat protoss is by cheesing 5 proxy rax... or 111 bunker in front of enemy natural style.... no way to early harrass whats more wif increasing barracks built time.
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post Nov 8 2011, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 8 2011, 01:46 AM)
1. not really. zealot  hp is 100, shields 50. if im not mistaken same thing wif immortal or colo. their hp/shield ratio is not 50/50.
2. psi storm effect evry singl unit terran or zerg has. wif smaller radius now it takes multiple ghost to effectively spam and cover a big deathball army. its not like 1 emp covers all deatball. storm covers a decent area and a decent terran player will nvr have good enuf micro to outmanouvered all those psi storm spam espcially in mid to late game battle deathball vs deathball. at dat time terrans will have thor, tanks, medivac in their army disrupting, blocking rapid movement of stim and how do u outmanouvered that?
3. have seen adelscott abuse dat by using blinking stalkers. engaging terran army bit by bit and blink away and regenerate and do it again. marine and mara will be exhausted by overstimming ata point whr medivac doesnt come yet.
4. my condolences :/
5. feedback easily kill those massive and hi tech units like battlecruisers, thor, banshee, dat could be gamechanger u know?
6. ghost cloak need to be research as well and they are still easily exposed by a observer following ur death army.
7. ghost too if u notice, move at a normal speed. they cant stim and run away when things not good.stalker easily catches them. shoot normally? they shoot every 1.5 seconds and to none light unit the damage is only 10.

well it seems u have very  deep scars tragedy  against terran using ghost. not gonna argue more wif u thr. i suppose ur refering emp need to be removed?


Added on November 8, 2011, 1:51 am
lol sentries easily FF any early marine mara harrass. if that early harras doesnt do any damage, terran are gonna be behind.
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1) stalkers are kinda the backbone for protoss army. and they are exact 50/50. oh and no shield stalkers only take 4 shots from marauders to kill. guess what happens after stim pack? if you're still gonna be so anal on the shield to hp ratio, i will just put out archons.
2) what, you're gonna sit in the storm and watch your shit die? and what, "decent terran player will never have a good enuf micro" WHAT IS THIS MAN. you're saying decent terran player just 1a2a3a OH WAI-
3) terran can just sit in their base and 2-3 cc like mvp does even without 2nd base and call mules like a fag and get medivacs out EZ even on 1 base. what then? you're gonna say terran bio still overstim and cause medivac to run out of energy? oh just in case, energy DOES REGEN DURING BATTLE
4) at least your not 7/7 blind, just 6/7. that aint so bad, right?
5) *EASILY kills* its like implying there are no ghosts to emp the templars, or snipe them to hell before they can even snail their way in for FBs. or thors just requiring TWO shots (assuming you are only capable of building just one thor) to thor hammer a templar to death. and like, BCs fly, and they are kinda faster than templars. just saying. banshees are definitely faster than templars, fly, and can cloak, and can kill a templar in like what, 3 hits? 4 maybe if 3 armor 3 shield upgrade? do correct me on this if im wrong, really.
6) scan (or emp the observer if you're THAT classy) > kill observer. OH SHIT WHERES MY DETECT NOW. oh and implying terrans actually *need* their cloak
7) you're not making sense cuz... sentries and templars are still slower than ghosts, they cant stim either, sentry does piss for dmg regardless of target armor, templars... still cannot attack. (does merging archon count? LOL!)

and no, it's not just emp, if its just emp, terran wouldnt be raping zerg's ass either. please do refer to the win/loss chart thats linked /sigh
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post Nov 8 2011, 02:32 AM

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the joys of playing random all day erry day. 33.3% i get to terran it up and MMM 1a 2a 3a tttttttttt


Added on November 8, 2011, 2:41 am
QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 8 2011, 02:31 AM)
2. do u think all terran is gonna go bio against protoss? what about those all mech type, marine mech  or even 111? wht i mean is maybe u can get away wif ur marine or mara in red but what about ur tanks, thor? ur offensive bunker? tell me how u outmanouvered those siegeing tanks and clunky moving thors?

3. bro spamming mules is only gonna get mineral faster and u can't elevate the rate of gas collecting. u expect terrans to mass up marine or hellion to get fry by colossus?
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2) sure! DONT GO BIO. GET SIEGE TANKS/BANSHEES SO TEMPLARS DIE BEFORE THEY STORM. doh.gif doh.gif
if you didnt knew, 111 MTBR timing push kills a protoss before he can even templar. but hey, he could just temp archives and get a templar without storm! welp there goes your chance in finding those pesky banshees desolating your mineral line. oh and just so you know, your offensive bunker cant get storm. storm doesnt affect buildings smile.gif

3) umm, you do know that you can get early gas with your walls safely, and mule to compensate the early scv's invested on gas, right? and how much gas you need to spend? 25 for a tech lab, 100 for stim, 200 for fac/starport, 50 for a reactor (if you just want a god damn med vac fast, this can even be skipped!) then 100 for a medivac. am i missin out anything?

for protoss, lets see, stalkers, sentries. HAHA DONE.
just for the record: 50gas warp tech (dont even try to argue that this can be skipped), 100 for robo, 200 for bay, 200 for lance, another 200 for the colo.

thats all provided you dont stalker, dont sentry, and you are still alive when you get your colo because quite frankly, medivacs are much faster and cheaper to achieve than a colo. (total 475 vstotal 750)
oh dont even give me the "but they dont require lance!" crap.

4) >spam psi storm
ISHYGDDT

and really, i can dodge storms, but i cant dodge emp. 1-2k shield dmg a ton more painful than.... few hundred actual dmg provided you dodge properly, and THATS ALL ASSUMING YOU'RE ALL KIND AND FORGIVING LEAVING THE SAD TEMPLAR ALONE and not shoving some u-238 slugs or arclite shock rounds into his face.

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post Nov 8 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 8 2011, 10:59 AM)
Patch is up! Terran got nerf sad.gif
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post Nov 8 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Nov 8 2011, 03:52 PM)
so imba?

you have been fool by the scale of the graph. that graph is extremely misleading. I'm good at creating this kind of graph too be honest. Look carefully at the number. For TvZ, Terran 52%, Zerg 48%. It means out of 100 games, Terran winning 52 games and Zerg winning 48 games. Imba? Even Genting Casino u cant get thing 50/50. TvP is not that far away too, 53.9% vs 46.1%.

Even you wanna take account into the most imba matchup here, ZvP. zerg's bar looks so high, protoss so low. At a first glance, it seems to me like Zerg winning 80% and Protoss winning only 20% but if u look at the number, the gap I believed is only slightly larger than it's standard deviation.

I don't know the real motive of this graph creator here, but to be more profressional, the cut off point shldn't start from 40% as shown in this graph. The scale of graph chosen is only to exaggerated the MU % here.
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post Nov 8 2011, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Nov 8 2011, 05:03 PM)
i m not interested in QQ or defending anymore. I didn't say Terran is not the winner here, just the graph is misleading. Pl read the facts b4 reply. don't make yourself looks like an idiot.
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i did spent the 1 or 2 minute to read that long wall o text, and no, that graph isnt misleading one bit. it displays stats, and that's that. if you're perspective are so skewered to claim its misleading, then so be it. because you arent QQ or defending, right? so you shouldn't have any problems with a mere graph thats suposedly misleading, yes?
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post Nov 8 2011, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(dakwahgandist @ Nov 8 2011, 11:03 PM)
and i am under the impression that 4gate utterly destroys early marine marauder.
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go give it a shot then, 5 or 10 games and tell me how many games you win biggrin.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:01 AM

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christ hesoos
baka keseluruhan

anyone wanna have the honors instead? im too tired coming home from work 10ish pm, after a whole day staring at wall of text unix/linux/solaris terminals.
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 9 2011, 12:28 AM)
i thought not so long ago ppl said that marines are the most OP units? so why not? since they are so overpower who needs tier 3?
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they still are so long you either:

1) micro well/better than your opponent
2) not doing stupid shits like running into storms/fungal growths/siege tanks

regardless how op they are, blizzard still designed units that counter them (welp, tier 1 units needing counters), and still training MUHREENS while your opponent does nothing but do things that counter marines, is just asking for a lost smile.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 9 2011, 12:43 AM)
Good that u just realise about the part where everything has a counter and it is meant to be that way. So winning is all about countering what your opponent is doing, knowing ur own/enemy's weakness and strength, and using ur strength to attack his weakness.
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wait ya:


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 9 2011, 12:39 AM)
they still are so long you either:

1) micro well/better than your opponent
2) not doing stupid shits like running into storms/fungal growths/siege tanks

regardless how op they are, blizzard still designed units that counter them (welp, tier 1 units needing counters), and still training MUHREENS while your opponent does nothing but do things that counter marines, is just asking for a lost smile.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 9 2011, 12:55 AM)
but u did.
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He said you're stupid, if that makes you feel better.
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post Nov 9 2011, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 9 2011, 01:00 AM)
I dont really care about personal attacks on the internet...really ..keyboard warrioring behind a screen?... been there done that..

I am happier discussing things in a much mature manner actually, but ppl always have a thing about video games and things got heat up.
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im sure everyone's been chillaxing, at the very least i am. i personally think the problem starts when people are trying to act mature and bringing in TSUN tzu quotes just to make themselves feel smarter.
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post Nov 9 2011, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Nov 9 2011, 01:08 AM)
in case u realise i talked to jeffvip about it already in terran strategy thread. It isnt something new or something smart or something mature. Me being smart ? man tons of ppl out there actually bought the book and read it.

on the bolded part, well not everyone  biggrin.gif
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why of course, i do actively lurk all the threads in this forum regardless of my actual participation in posting. of course, if im not posting in a thread, probably because im either too busy, too tired, or probably both these days. terran talks about they get their well deserved nerfs unjustly and random derailment of "actual terran" stuffs has gotten very uninteresting and i simply do not have the luxury to waste my time on them anymore smile.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Nov 9 2011, 12:38 PM)
You just switched to OP race recently....Give it some time and you will soon be Grandmaster.

and also,

You don't need to be a super chef to tell the food taste sucks or not.
You don't need to be a movie director to tell the movie sucks or not.
since you are at it, why don't you go a bit extreme like people who didn't win the tournament shouldn't talk?
Oh irony. Obviously you care, if not you will not reply this.
It is hard to have a mature discussion with people who are stubborn and lacks of common sense, thus arguments heat up.
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holy shit, this post makes so much sense i am at a disbelief! icon_question.gif


Added on November 9, 2011, 6:20 pm
QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Nov 9 2011, 01:27 PM)
protoss 1-2 season

zerg 3rd season

terran current season(drop to plat straight from master)

i still QQ terran~ marauder too OP make my tank gone like metal crap,
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>terran QQ'ing about terran.

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