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 Anyone can Recommend LIGHTNING Surge Protector?, need urgent recommendation

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MenaXiao
post Sep 19 2017, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Tommykeng @ Oct 25 2011, 03:25 PM)
Nowadays KEEP ON Raining ! my mobo , modem , CCTV , astro all got strike up

i need a SERIOUS Lightnning surge protector that can protect WHOLE House electrical system

Prefer those protector that directly install @ Main fuse / switch box...
So that no need buy a lot of small protector @ Every electrical appliance

My electrical system needs ya'll kind helping ....
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I think you can try bestek surge protector with 5566J. The power strip has 12 outlets and 4 USB ports. The ultra-high surge protection can fully protect your devices from power surges or spikes. I'm now using it for my home theater.
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post Sep 19 2017, 11:29 PM

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as far as i know, we are not hit by lightning directly, just the arch spread to our house. my pc got stroke 3 times. mobo, router, lan gg.

after that i brought Right Power UPS long shape white color, to measure surge protection, all device measure in Joule, energy of lightning. so it can stand for certain number only. good unit may stand higher joule. this unit good bcos for rj11 port phone line to modem. good thing about ups is it can also regulate if spike came in, out from ups battery.

not sure about the warranty. me is first time use. so far so good....

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westom
post Sep 20 2017, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Oct 25 2011, 07:38 PM)
what other device can we use besides UPS?
Read spec numbers. To have any less joules, it must be zero. Tiniest protection in a UPS does not claim effective protection.

Protection is defined by a simple question. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate?

A Bestek or Belkin (thousand joules) claims more protection. It is extremely expensive and is still near zero protection. No earth ground means no effective protection.

Recommended is an only solution that means no surge current is anywhere inside. A properly earthed 'whole house' protector must be installed in a breaker box.

No circuit breaker or fuse does any such protection. Numbers must always exist. Fuse takes milliseconds or minutes to trip. Surges do damage in microseconds.

Or another number. How does a millimeters gap in a fuse or breaker stop what three kilometers of sky cannot? Numbers say no surge protection.

Effective protection is for all types of surges - including and not limited to lightning. Even a Cal-Lab does not claim such protection. Always demand numbers. Effective protectors make a low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth. Over 100 years of well proven science has not changed because hearsay or advertising says so - without numbers.

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post Sep 21 2017, 04:06 PM

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For those who do not know yet, Westom spends alot of time spreading misinformation on the internet on many forums and websites.

He keeps mentioning that a lightning strike needs causes a surge of "hundreds of thousands of joules" but the average surge from thunderstorms that is normally encountered is not a direct hit but an induced surge from a nearby lightning strike which has much less energy. Surge suppressors from good brands complaint to UL1449 or equivalent work very well. Joule ratings from 700 to several thousand should be sufficient for normal use.
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post Sep 21 2017, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 21 2017, 04:06 PM)
For those who do not know yet, Westom spends alot of time spreading misinformation on the internet on many forums and websites.

He keeps mentioning that a lightning strike needs causes a surge of "hundreds of thousands of joules" but the average surge from thunderstorms that is normally encountered is not a direct hit but an induced surge from a nearby lightning strike which has much less energy. Surge suppressors from good brands complaint to UL1449 or equivalent work very well. Joule ratings from 700 to several thousand should be sufficient for normal use.
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exactly, no thing can survive if direct hit to our house. i just check my is ups powerbox x9 >1580 joule and max is 37,2000amp, equipment cover rm4000 only.
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post Sep 21 2017, 05:22 PM

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post Sep 21 2017, 05:22 PM

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try cal lab, use it so far ok.
westom
post Sep 21 2017, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 21 2017, 12:06 PM)
but the average surge from thunderstorms that is normally encountered is not a direct hit but an induced surge from a nearby lightning strike which has much less energy.
Lightning strikes only 10 meter from a long wire antenna. That biggest induce surge puts thousands of volts on that antenna and its lead. An NE-2 neon glow lamp is attached to that lead. Then thousands of volts drops to something like 60.

Defined is energy numbers for induced surges. A one milliamp lamp is sufficient to reduce thousands of volts down to ten. Energy content of an induced surge is that tiny. Protection already inside every appliance makes a 'feared' nearby strike irrelevant. That emotion only exists when one has a conclusion but forgets to first learn numbers.

UL1449 says nothing about appliance protection. UL is only about protecting human life - not appliances. A protector can be grossly undersized and still be UL1449 listed as long as its self destruction (catastrophic failure) does not spit sparks and fire during their tests. Tiny joule (plug-in) protectors can fail on UL's last test - be ineffective protection - and still be UL listed. UL is only about protecting humans - not appliances. A UL listed protector can fail catastrophically - in violation of MOV datasheets - and still be UL1449 listed.

The informed spend tens of times less money to properly earth a sufficiently sized 'whole house' protector. These are so robust as to easily earth direct lightning strikes without damage. That and earth ground (not UL1449) defines an effective protector. Some UL1449 listed protectors are so grossly undersized (hundreds or thousand joules) as to fail catastrophically - leave that tiny surge connected directly to an appliance. No problem. A surge too tiny to destroy appliances can easily destroy those near zero joule protectors. That gets the naive to recommend the scam AND then assume nothing can protect from lightning. Wild speculation magically becomes a fact?

When a grossly undersized protector does not threaten human life, then that ineffective protector is UL1449 listed.

A telco's CO will suffer about 100 surges with each thunderstorm. How often is your town without phone service for four days while they replace that switching computer? Never? Exactly. Because direct lightning strikes do no damage when properly earthed BEFORE entering a building. Since educated by science (not hearsay), telcos all over the world use 'whole house' protection. To increase protection, those protectors are up to 50 meters distant from electronics. And mounted directly on earth ground.

Effective protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Damage from direct lightning strikes are routinely averted when one learns from science and not from hearsay. Even learns what Ben Franklin demonstrated over 250 years ago.

Routine all over the world are direct lightning strikes without damage - even to a protector. Over 100 years of well proven science demonstrates it. Only the most naive foolishly conclude that nothing can protect from lightning. Too many only worship a first myth they are told - do not even have enough respect for themselves as to always demand spec numbers with every recommendation. An NE-2 neon glow lamp makes near zero energy in induced surges irrelevant. Learn facts tempered by numbers - or be scammed. Only the most easily scammed would use near zero (700 or thousand joule) protectors.

APC recently admitted some 15 million protectors are so dangerous as to be removed immediately. APC finally admitted their undersized protectors were creating house fires. Those were 700 and thousand joule type protectors. What did they protect? Profits.

This post has been edited by westom: Sep 21 2017, 09:10 PM
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post Sep 21 2017, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ebony & Ivory @ Sep 21 2017, 01:22 PM)
try cal lab, use it so far ok.
Where is a list of all those other damaged appliances not protected by a Cal-Lab? That junk science concept is called cherry picking. From wikipedia:
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, ... For example, the "fallacy of anecdotal evidence" tends to overlook large amounts of data in favor of that known personally, "selective use of evidence"
Other undamaged appliances (due to superior internal protection - that protected themselves) were ignored. Or are they connected to invisible Cal-Lab protectors?

Once cherry picking is exposed, then Cal-Lab did protect ... from nothing. It is recommended using classic junk science reasoning.

This post has been edited by westom: Sep 21 2017, 09:06 PM
MenaXiao
post Sep 22 2017, 10:08 AM

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I'm now using a desktop power strip surge protector with 8 outlets and 6 USB ports to supply power for my home theater. Mine is from BESTEK, and Belkin surge protector is also OK. I like its pivot-plug surge protector. But if you also want USB chargers, the bestek power strip may be better for you.

 

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