Nowadays KEEP ON Raining ! my mobo , modem , CCTV , astro all got strike up

i need a SERIOUS Lightnning surge protector that can protect WHOLE House electrical system

Prefer those protector that directly install @ Main fuse / switch box...
So that no need buy a lot of small protector @ Every electrical appliance

My electrical system needs ya'll kind helping ....

the main fuse does not have a circuit breaker....?
it will cut off the electricity if not even current flow between the live and neutral wire....

Belkin, comes with appliance warranty if got struck by lightning..

THIS> CAL-LAB Lightning Isolators

I own one and can personally guarantee that it works (saved my computer & modem twice) if set up correctly.

And don't trust Belkin, their products may look nice but overall performance is bad. A friend of mine who used Belkin Surgemaster Gold series learned it the hard way.

err .. maybe .. for example , the lightning is 10W , but my circuit breaker is 20W
den the circuit breaker "assume" the power its safe thats why did not cut off ?
just example ya


Belkin . i dunno good or not . but if ALL my electrical appliances put belkin .
very expensive lol

i want those main system that can protect whole house 1 ..

lol

It could be the circuit breaker was not fast enough. Or the surge didn't come in through the power cable.

I had one that came in through the phone line, fried the computer, and then the TV, because I had the computer set to output on the TV. I'm just guessing that it came in through the phone line. No other electrical equipment was damage, other than the computer and TV, and the surge protector on the phone line (which was no protection because it was MOV. I now use UPS).

use cal-lab probably...
cos some said belkin very hard to claim warranty

You using UPS? Do you think that using a UPS is just as good as using a lightning protector? Coz I have two UPS, but no surge protectors

Read manufacturer specifications. Even a UPS manufacturer does not claim surge protection. They do subjectively in advertising. Lying in subjective advertising is legal. If a UPS really does something, then it is stated in spec numbers. Post those numbers here. Where does your UPS claim any surge protection?

Numbers are required for any honest answer. Myths also claim circuit breaker do protection. Numbers say something completely different. First, circuit breakers take tens of milliseconds or longer to trip. Surges are done in microseconds. 300 consecutive surges could pass through a circuit breaker before it even thought about tripping.

Second, how does that millimeter gap inside a circuit breaker stop what three kilometers of sky could not? How does that 2 centimeter part inside a UPS stop what kilometers of sky could not? Damning questions.

No protector does protection. Two types of protectors exist. An effective protector has a connection to what does all protection. Single point earth ground. If that protector does not have the low impedance ('less than 3 meter') connection to earth, then the protector is a profit center; not protection.

Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate. Some protection systems have no protectors. But every effective protection layer always has an earth ground. Always.

How to quickly identity the ineffective protectors (or UPS)? 1) No dedicated wire for the always required short (ie 'less than 3 meters') connection to earth. 2) Manufacturer will not discuss earthing. Earth ground (not any protector) does protection. Every incoming wire connects short to earth either directly (ie cable TV, satellite dish). Or makes that earth ground connection via a protector (AC electric, telephone). Ineffective protectors do not have that earthing. And claim its hundreds of joules will absorb hundreds of thousands of joules.

Science of protection is simple: protectors. The art of protection is earthing. Best protection means one directs most attention to providing a 'whole house' protector with a shortest connection to a best and single point earth ground.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. A protector without earthing does not provide and does not claim to provide protection. A protector that does not have that dedicated earthing wire is only a profit center. Read specification numbers. Protection is always about where those hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate.

Simple rules quickly identify effective and ineffective solutions.

good advice. thanks.
what other device can we use besides UPS?

ELCB or the protector installed at the main fuse wont be efficient enough as it designed to support high power load (up to 15amp & above)

i have a customer at PJ area bought few unit of power protection last few weeks ago...
unfortunately the lightning burn a unit used to protect PC yesterday night from TNB source even though the surge passed thru ELCB...

but still cant ensure the surge 100% from TNB as he used other power protectors used at other equipment (fridge, modem, etc) but those unit unharmed... only the protector used for PC burnt... so IF the surge 100% come from TNB, other power protectors may burnt along as well...

you can refer to my siggy for more detail information...
it the lightning products is rubbish, i wont able to sell it at LYN as long as 6 years


it is true that belkin may compesate your damages based on market value...

but will you able to carry your 50" TV, fridge, washing machine, or any big items to belkin service centre for allowing them to check & verify ur appliances confirm damaged by lightning? hence do we able wait for months to allow belkin service centre for checking and wait for compensation? end up you still need to buy a new unit again which cost u RMXXXX + hassle to carry defect units to belkin unit... doesn't logic at all in term of consumer thinking...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Oct 29 2011, 08:13 AM

some good read

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf

This post has been edited by -MilesDomini-: Oct 29 2011, 10:07 AM

i think the most effective is installing the good conductor lightning pole on roof top and with grounding rod(at least 3m deep into the ground)...

it only efficient if lightning hit the building...

but wont efficient if lightning hit the telecom and power infrastructure and lead the surge into your building...

anyway, lightning rod doesn't able to 100% attract surge, you can refer the document as below...
http://www.lightningsafetyalliance.com/doc...r_terminals.pdf

there have 2 type of lightning rod, conventional and non-conventional...
sad to heard that most of building using conventional lightning rod which may still fail to protect the building as reported...

why conventional lightning rod used on most of the building due the reason as below:
conventional: better profit margin (big rod can cost RM7k-10k), easier for installation (labor cost cheaper) as no covered for whole roof top
unconventional: lower profit margin (small rods), difficult for installation (labor cost expensive) as covered for whole roof top with few lightning rod

What causes surges?

The primary source of surges and spikes in most homes is appliances. When a large, motor-driven appliance shuts off (either manually, automatically, or due to AC power failure), energy stored in the motor coils can flow back down the power line, a phenomenon called inductive kick. It typically shows up as a spike of about 500 volts that lasts somewhere between a few microseconds and a couple of milliseconds. Inductive kick can come from appliances such as refrigerators and air conditioners, or from industrial devices such as elevators and machine tools.

The primary source of surges and spikes in most homes is appliances.
The other most common source of spikes and surges is lightning, but most lightning surges aren’t caused by direct strikes. They’re caused by lightning passing near your local power lines. The magnetic field produced by the lightning generates high-voltage electricity in the lines, which can flow into your home. If your home or power line suffers a direct lightning strike, it’s unlikely any consumer surge protector can absorb the millions of volts involved.
The obvious conclusion here is that some people need surge protection more than others. If you live where lightning storms are common, good surge protection is a must. If you live where lightning storms rarely occur, it’s not as big a concern. Likewise if you have a lot of large appliances, or you work in an office that’s part of an industrial facility, surge protection is more important.

Also, note that many electronic devices have their own MOVs built in, and many aren’t all that vulnerable to minor surges in the first place.


http://m.thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-surge-protector/

If that inductive kick exists, then it happens 120 times every second. Since AC power turns off (goes to zero) 120 times per second.

That inductive kick only exists in speculation. Include numbers. Any spike is noise - ie at most tens of volts. Protection already inside every appliance makes that noise irrelevant.

Anyone can know this. If motorized appliances are creating surges, then we are all trooping to stores daily to replace destroyed clocks, dimmer switches, smoke detectors, RCDs, recharging phones, etc. No such spike exists except where hearsay is misrepresented as fact.

Also irrelevant is a transient created by magnetic fields. That hearsay also only exists when numbers are ignored. And in direct contradiction to what is routinely observed. Surges are created by direct lightning strikes, linemen errors, stray cars, etc.

All appliances contain robust protection. Concern is a rare transient that can overwhelm that protection. As noted previously, these transients must be earthed BEFORE entering a building. These transients occur maybe once every seven years. Lightning is but one common example.

Effective protection means one can say where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed. That means a surge connects low impedance (ie less than 3 meters, no sharp wire bends) to earth either directly (ie TV cable). Or a surge protector does what that hardwire does better.

An effective protector does not foolishly try to block or absorb a surge. An effective protector is a connecting device to what actually does protection - to what absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - single point earth ground. As a connecting device, that protector must be rated at least 50,000 amps. Because a typical lightning strike might be 20,000 amps. Because protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Because a protector must not fail - must not be damaged by a surge.

Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.

This post has been edited by westom: Jan 8 2016, 11:40 PM

just wonder, if the surge protector turned off, will it still get protected?

Surge protectors are for dealing with energy spikes than anything else. It won't stop your equipment from getting fried in a lightning strike. So your best bet in a lightning storm is to turn off all unused electrical appliances and unplug the surge protector completely.

Will a millimeters gap inside a switch stop what three kilometers of sky could not?

Surge protectors are not for surges too small to harm appliances. Surge protectors are for rare transients that cause damage - such as lightning.

Switch will only disconnect one wire. Other wires remain connected. Once a surge is all but inviting inside, then it hunts for earth ground destructively via appliances. It blows through that open switch or connects destructively via other 'not disconnected' wires.

Either a surge is earthed BEFORE entering. Or best protection (which is already inside appliances) must do protection. Surges too tiny to overwhelm protection inside appliances may even destroy plug-in (near zero) protectors - if switched off or on.

Only a fool tries to 'block' or 'absorb' a surge that was all but inviting inside - to hunt for earth ground destructively via appliances. Protection is possible only if a destructive current connects to earth BEFORE entering. That has never changed in over 100 years.

wats with necro thread which is 5 yrs ago?

the best would be getting a ups, it has all the mention featured, surge protector, voltage regulator and backup power supply.

I think you can try bestek surge protector with 5566J. The power strip has 12 outlets and 4 USB ports. The ultra-high surge protection can fully protect your devices from power surges or spikes. I'm now using it for my home theater.

as far as i know, we are not hit by lightning directly, just the arch spread to our house. my pc got stroke 3 times. mobo, router, lan gg.

after that i brought Right Power UPS long shape white color, to measure surge protection, all device measure in Joule, energy of lightning. so it can stand for certain number only. good unit may stand higher joule. this unit good bcos for rj11 port phone line to modem. good thing about ups is it can also regulate if spike came in, out from ups battery.

not sure about the warranty. me is first time use. so far so good....

This post has been edited by jimlim007: Sep 19 2017, 11:33 PM

Read spec numbers. To have any less joules, it must be zero. Tiniest protection in a UPS does not claim effective protection.

Protection is defined by a simple question. Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate?

A Bestek or Belkin (thousand joules) claims more protection. It is extremely expensive and is still near zero protection. No earth ground means no effective protection.

Recommended is an only solution that means no surge current is anywhere inside. A properly earthed 'whole house' protector must be installed in a breaker box.

No circuit breaker or fuse does any such protection. Numbers must always exist. Fuse takes milliseconds or minutes to trip. Surges do damage in microseconds.

Or another number. How does a millimeters gap in a fuse or breaker stop what three kilometers of sky cannot? Numbers say no surge protection.

Effective protection is for all types of surges - including and not limited to lightning. Even a Cal-Lab does not claim such protection. Always demand numbers. Effective protectors make a low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth. Over 100 years of well proven science has not changed because hearsay or advertising says so - without numbers.

This post has been edited by westom: Sep 20 2017, 09:38 PM

For those who do not know yet, Westom spends alot of time spreading misinformation on the internet on many forums and websites.

He keeps mentioning that a lightning strike needs causes a surge of "hundreds of thousands of joules" but the average surge from thunderstorms that is normally encountered is not a direct hit but an induced surge from a nearby lightning strike which has much less energy. Surge suppressors from good brands complaint to UL1449 or equivalent work very well. Joule ratings from 700 to several thousand should be sufficient for normal use.

exactly, no thing can survive if direct hit to our house. i just check my is ups powerbox x9 >1580 joule and max is 37,2000amp, equipment cover rm4000 only.

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This post has been edited by Ebony & Ivory: Sep 21 2017, 05:23 PM

try cal lab, use it so far ok.

Lightning strikes only 10 meter from a long wire antenna. That biggest induce surge puts thousands of volts on that antenna and its lead. An NE-2 neon glow lamp is attached to that lead. Then thousands of volts drops to something like 60.

Defined is energy numbers for induced surges. A one milliamp lamp is sufficient to reduce thousands of volts down to ten. Energy content of an induced surge is that tiny. Protection already inside every appliance makes a 'feared' nearby strike irrelevant. That emotion only exists when one has a conclusion but forgets to first learn numbers.

UL1449 says nothing about appliance protection. UL is only about protecting human life - not appliances. A protector can be grossly undersized and still be UL1449 listed as long as its self destruction (catastrophic failure) does not spit sparks and fire during their tests. Tiny joule (plug-in) protectors can fail on UL's last test - be ineffective protection - and still be UL listed. UL is only about protecting humans - not appliances. A UL listed protector can fail catastrophically - in violation of MOV datasheets - and still be UL1449 listed.

The informed spend tens of times less money to properly earth a sufficiently sized 'whole house' protector. These are so robust as to easily earth direct lightning strikes without damage. That and earth ground (not UL1449) defines an effective protector. Some UL1449 listed protectors are so grossly undersized (hundreds or thousand joules) as to fail catastrophically - leave that tiny surge connected directly to an appliance. No problem. A surge too tiny to destroy appliances can easily destroy those near zero joule protectors. That gets the naive to recommend the scam AND then assume nothing can protect from lightning. Wild speculation magically becomes a fact?

When a grossly undersized protector does not threaten human life, then that ineffective protector is UL1449 listed.

A telco's CO will suffer about 100 surges with each thunderstorm. How often is your town without phone service for four days while they replace that switching computer? Never? Exactly. Because direct lightning strikes do no damage when properly earthed BEFORE entering a building. Since educated by science (not hearsay), telcos all over the world use 'whole house' protection. To increase protection, those protectors are up to 50 meters distant from electronics. And mounted directly on earth ground.

Effective protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Damage from direct lightning strikes are routinely averted when one learns from science and not from hearsay. Even learns what Ben Franklin demonstrated over 250 years ago.

Routine all over the world are direct lightning strikes without damage - even to a protector. Over 100 years of well proven science demonstrates it. Only the most naive foolishly conclude that nothing can protect from lightning. Too many only worship a first myth they are told - do not even have enough respect for themselves as to always demand spec numbers with every recommendation. An NE-2 neon glow lamp makes near zero energy in induced surges irrelevant. Learn facts tempered by numbers - or be scammed. Only the most easily scammed would use near zero (700 or thousand joule) protectors.

APC recently admitted some 15 million protectors are so dangerous as to be removed immediately. APC finally admitted their undersized protectors were creating house fires. Those were 700 and thousand joule type protectors. What did they protect? Profits.

This post has been edited by westom: Sep 21 2017, 09:10 PM

Where is a list of all those other damaged appliances not protected by a Cal-Lab? That junk science concept is called cherry picking. From wikipedia: Other undamaged appliances (due to superior internal protection - that protected themselves) were ignored. Or are they connected to invisible Cal-Lab protectors?

Once cherry picking is exposed, then Cal-Lab did protect ... from nothing. It is recommended using classic junk science reasoning.

This post has been edited by westom: Sep 21 2017, 09:06 PM

I'm now using a desktop power strip surge protector with 8 outlets and 6 USB ports to supply power for my home theater. Mine is from BESTEK, and Belkin surge protector is also OK. I like its pivot-plug surge protector. But if you also want USB chargers, the bestek power strip may be better for you.