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plumberly
post Dec 8 2013, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Dec 4 2013, 08:49 AM)
just got my statement from public prs growth fund.
damn pathetic!
dec 2012, index was 1607.61.
yesterday index was 1824.29

their fund return?!
3.22%

and guess what, it's not net.
another 1.5% or so goes to management fees.

actual return is about 1.7%!!!! for whole freaking year.

shame on you public. you dare to take 1.5% management fee when the fund you manage perform so badly.

just entered hwang about 1 or 2 months.
return already exceeded public full year!
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Got mine a few days ago.

Shocking indeed with the pathetic performance of this PM PRS.

Stated in the annual report that the return was 2.92% but the balance now is still less than what I contributed at the start (yes, the x% buying fee).

Income was 503K and the PRS provider's fee at 106K! Provider = fund management?

This further enforces my finding that MOST unit trusts are not for investors but for the fund managers. Got this PRS mainly for the tax deduction.

Hope that the big boss from PM PRS is reading this. Please BOOST up the fund performance!
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post Dec 8 2013, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Dec 8 2013, 10:00 AM)
Folks,

Tax rate in Malaysia is so low that is it worth the effort to invest on PRS??

A) You get locked down.  You cannot get your money before you retired.  And, the government can always put the retirement age later and later.

B) You have to invest on UT with all the associated fees.

So, is it PENNY WISE but POUND FOOLISH to invest on PRS??

Please correct me if I am wrong in (A) and (B).

Dreamer
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Cannot find the spreadsheet check I did in the past.

Did a simple one to illustrate here (using deposit of RM3000 for 1st year only).

Assuming the top tax rate at 26%. ABC has 2 options - put RM3000 in FD @ 3.5% or use it for PRS (tax refund of RM780).

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2 observations:

* if ABC has less than 8 years to retire, then he will benefit via PRS tax benefit even if PRS is doing badly at 1%.
* if ABC has many years to go before retiring, ABC will still do better than putting the money in FD till about 20 years (with PRS returning at 3%).

For individual case, one needs individual tax rate and expected PRS rate to gauge whether this PRS is beneficial for him/her.

My 2 cents.

P/S I have ignored the PRS fee, variable FD rate etc to simply the comparison.

This post has been edited by plumberly: Dec 8 2013, 03:05 PM
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post Jun 10 2015, 03:33 PM

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Got my Public Mutual's PRS annual statement today. Started this PRS 3 years ago.

How is the return?

Well, only 6.6% increase over the 3 years! Worse than FD! Guess I picked the wrong PRS. Ha.

Anyone with consistently better PRS?
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post Jun 10 2015, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Kelv @ Jun 10 2015, 03:38 PM)
CIMB-Principal.

You can always refer to this site to monitor each PRS fund performance: http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...anguageId=en-GB
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Thanks.

I picked PM mainly of its past general good UT performance.

This PM PRS is just useless. The manager there sinks in his performance! I don't have a big amount in there but still expect it to do better than FD especially when other PRS can beat FD.

I think it is possible to switch to another PRS fund, right?

Cheerio.
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post Jun 10 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 10 2015, 04:55 PM)
You can transfer out to another PRS provider from your existing PRS fund.

Make sure that your existing PRS fund age is more than a year.
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Will check the PRS web site for the details, fees to pay etc.

I hope PM managers are reading this. Ha.
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post Jun 11 2015, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(cappuccino vs latte @ Jun 10 2015, 11:06 PM)
I started two years ago, now the available value still less than what I dumped in  rclxub.gif
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Sorry to hear that. Which PRS fund?

Like me, time to change boat! Ha.

I really wonder, govt etc encourage people to invest in PRS and looks like some of the PRS funds are draining money instead of growing money. Surely they should have more competent people in managing this vital industry.
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post Jun 11 2015, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 11 2015, 06:51 AM)
Despite PM lackluster performance, it's still # 1 among PRS providers in terms of market share
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I am one of those who chose PM due to its brand name, thinking it would do well like its Regular Saving Fund. Wrong assumption!

QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 11 2015, 06:53 AM)
guess when that happens, "they" will usually says...UTs is for longer terms.....ignore the short term fluctuations....
but in the longer terms...will it be too late??  rclxub.gif
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That is the common saying in UT when things are not doing well.

Problem is, how come other PRS funds can still do better than FD? My take is, if this one is not doing well now, when things are good I will not expect this fund to do better than the ones which are doing OK now. Yes, sifu will come in and warn me not to extrapolate like this. Ha.
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Like to know when can we withdraw the money in PRS, on 55 or now 60? Thanks.

 

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