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cherroy
post Nov 1 2013, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2013, 12:52 PM)
This is insider news:

One of the reason why govt give this RM 500.00 rebate is because statistic shown that only 6% take up rate amongst the young working group i.e., aged 20 - 30 y/o.

The majority of PRS members are ahem.... old geezers like Unker Look and WongMunKeong and myself. PPA was even more surprise when they realised that many who reaches the age of 55 withdrew their KWSP savings and ploughed it into PRS because of the zero sales charge and no lock in period and better than FD ROI.

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You can't blame them.
As PRS is investing in UT.

As compared investing on oneself, one get more flexibility as compared PRS (both can be in same UT).

There is no advantage in investing in PRS except get extra RM3000 tax relief (not tax rebate).

You need more attraction feature to encourage PRS.
So the RM500 rebate is a good start.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 1 2013, 06:47 PM
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post Sep 20 2015, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Sep 20 2015, 04:10 PM)
I am so over my head on this 1, so hopefully fellow forumers can assist me [and others who are like me] for better understanding :

[1] How long is the commitment (e.g. when can I reap the benefit of my contributions ? I suppose it is based on the retirement age as per the statutory law in Malaysia ?

[2] What is the minimum contribution, and what is the frequency [monthly, annually?]
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1. It is just like investment in UT, no guarantee on when one can reap the benefit.
PRS is actually investing in chosen UT funds.
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post Sep 20 2015, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Sep 20 2015, 01:28 PM)
below are the list of providers :
http://www.ppa.my/providers/providers-schemes/

1 noOb question; does it matter which provider we go for ?

I mean, they are all under PPA, right ?
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1. Yes, it does matter, because the chosen UT or fund that dictated how the return may be.

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post Sep 20 2015, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Sep 20 2015, 08:51 PM)
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Which means, UT buys counters in BSKL, prs buys UT funds?
Or you mean to say that prs works the same way as other UT funds?
On a separate question;
So if I got this correct, upon reaching retirement, the prs will disburse money in lump sum to the depositor? i.e. the same way as epf ?
Or is it like a pension scheme, whereby the depositor will get certain sum of money disbursed until he/she dies ?
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Yes, it depends on the chosen fund, if local equities fund, they buy KLSE listed shares, if global equities then overseas shares.

PRS is just a name, or scheme, that lock up your fund that invested in UT, that's only allowed you to withdraw when your retired time, while enjoy some tax relief from it.
Other than that, it has little different with ordinary UT.


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post Oct 15 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(jslim18 @ Oct 15 2015, 10:54 AM)
Yea, PRS is more like an EPF. Just in case the later fail and you got two baskets of egg
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Wrong, PRS is not as same as EPF.

EPF
- guarantee your principal
- guarantee interest paid out

PRS
- No guarantee on principal,
- No guarantee on whether got profit or dividend.

They are totally not the same.
Please do not mislead people.
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post Oct 15 2015, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(lizardjeremy @ Oct 15 2015, 08:26 PM)
prs is not unsimilar to epf
both are PENSION FUNDS,the only palpable difference is their investment style

prs can always establish a fund replicating the EPF investment strategy ie with similar asset allocation thus providing the  much desired return vaunted by the skeptics of prs

however,i think prs was designed to allow workers to make their own investment choices premise on their risk tolerance and time horizon instead of the state investment vehicle deciding for them.therefore the returns from EPF cannot be use as a yardstick in determining the returns from prs

in addition,there are slew of funds in prs catering to the ultra conservative to the most aggressive investor which can deliver proportionate return base on their volatility or risk
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PRS
- an unit trust that only can be withdrawn after pension.

As simply as that, don't need to more than 10 words... laugh.gif


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post Nov 16 2015, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(nashburn @ Nov 16 2015, 04:18 PM)
I think some people misunderstood how to claim tax relief for PRS.

When you save RM3k in your PRS account, it does not mean you can claim RM3k from LHDN.

This is how to calculate:
Let's say you earn RM100k annually
And you save RM3k in your PRS account

RM100k-3k = 97k

So, RM97k is your taxable income.

I would say PRS is a very good investment scheme
If I can switch EPF to PRS I would do it
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Personally I won't.

EPF - principal money is guaranteed, return also guaranteed, just how much the dividend will be only.

PRS - Principal not guaranteed, return also not guaranteed, can be no dividend, and make a lost if market situation is not favourable to the fund.

I would opt for UT instead of PRS.
PRS = UT that cannot be withdrawn until reaching pension age, apart from the tax relief (3K max), there is no incentive to invest into PRS at all.
While invest in UT (without PRS route), you have the flexibility to withdraw or selling it anytime, if one is seeing the market has peak.


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post Nov 27 2015, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 26 2015, 11:57 AM)
Is it me or do you all realise that this PRS  thread is extra active during the end of the year?
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You invest in Jan or Dec, it makes no different in term of claiming tax relief. icon_idea.gif

Frankly speaking, the only attractiveness of PRS is tax relief only.
If not, there is no incentive to put money in it, as if really interested in investing UT, might as well put the money in ordinary UT, which has no difference with PRS, while got extra flexibility in term of withdrawal.
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post Dec 16 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(knight @ Dec 14 2015, 12:42 PM)
Guys, I receive some sort of letter from my PRS bank. The letter is about Malaysian Tax voucher of amount nearly RM200. @@. I not what it actually means but there's a statement shown like below.

" We hereby certify that Malaysia Income Tax as above has been or will be accounted for by us to the Director - General of Inland Revenue Malaysia. Please retain this voucher for submission to the Tax Authority".

Kena Tax for PRS? Anyone receive something like this? Need some inputs!!
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It is dividend tax voucher, not "kena tax".

You just need to keep the voucher as a document to show that the dividend you received already been taxed.
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post Dec 17 2015, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Dec 17 2015, 11:07 PM)
Is there any PRS provider accept credit card? it will be great to earn cashback+points
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I have yet to see any investment can accept credit card payment one. laugh.gif
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(KenYoung @ Dec 21 2015, 04:12 PM)
I really don't get it how it works...

I know of cimb's first... Then kenanga then affin hwang?

I'm unemployed and since no tax relief, will this benefit me if I just throw 1k inside ? Will I get the rm500 ?
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Don't know the always answer is don't do anything.

No income, one may be better off to keep the 1K as emergency fund.

You don't contribute to retirement fund when no income, as it only can be fully withdrawn when pension time.
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(wing2010 @ Dec 21 2015, 04:41 PM)
ohh so what i thought was actually possible!  rclxms.gif
such coincidence we had the same mindset for tax relief purpose lol

plan to walk in to the nearest affin hwang tomorrow, hopefully can get it done
mind to enlighten me what documents they'll need from me?
just wanna confirm it's solely "dump in 3k every dec for tax relief" kan? LOL so is basically once a year payment
may i know how many years we need to commit ah? until retirement kah? or can be 10 years only? (since the relief only valid for first 10 years kan?)
what's the return like btway?
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If you put 3K on 2015, then you entitled to claim 3K relief on the assessment year 2015 when one is submitting the income filing time.

It doesn't relate 2014 or 2016 issue.

The tax treatment is on the basic one year by one year.

Return of PRS in not guaranteed, as it is basically a UT.
It can make a loss if market is not favourable to the the fund investing portfolio.
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post Jul 13 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 13 2016, 01:39 PM)
AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D
er.. shot up 13.43% since 20/01/2016 till 11/07/2016.
Buy high sell higher?
or buy ok / low and sell high? 
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Reit recently rally across, especially after Brexit, as the possibilities of further rate hike by Fed become lower, as well as negative yield of Bund, which make reit yield become attractive.

Reit price is always moving inverse with interest rate direction.


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post Jul 13 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 13 2016, 02:01 PM)
yup but there is NO changes in interest rates
just "expectations of NOT moving up"  laugh.gif

dang.. if life was just as simple as Excel worksheets' formulas  sweat.gif
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Investment world is subjected to "emotional" behaviour as well and doesn't must behave in the logic that everyone think of.

May be next month, sentiment changes to reit may have problem to lease out property if economy growth become sluggish, then reit price moves lower... laugh.gif


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post Aug 1 2016, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(icyblanca @ Aug 1 2016, 12:48 PM)
yup. checked it out dy. thanks for the info.
Seems like CIMB PRS fund does not pay any distribution.. is it true?

PBB pays decent distributions. Quite similar with Affin Hwang.
PBB has sales charges, whilst Affin Hwang in 0%.

Seems like Affin Hwang better? or should i invest in PBB?
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In UT, you look at NAV for its performance, not distribution.

Distribution doesn't add anything to your "profit".

As distribution come from at the expense of NAV reduction.

 

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