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CSW1990
post Jul 24 2020, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kitty_catts @ Jul 13 2020, 07:11 PM)
Any full time agent that you guys can recommend? Which PRS do u guys recommend? Different PRS organiser have different rate?

I read online of the various level of risk but Im still at loss. Whats the pros n cons beside higher risk = higher return/loss?
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My prs allocation:
Affin Hwang prs growth fund -80% , plan to top up 3000 at quarter 4
Principal prs plus Asia Pacific class C -20%
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post Jul 26 2020, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Jul 26 2020, 03:33 PM)
Lol. Guaranteed IF there is such promo this year.

IF.
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How if just TGV cinema ticket x1 for PRS top up . hahaha
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post Aug 4 2020, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 4 2020, 10:39 AM)
ok fine, got a point. that one immediately got some few hundred bucks back in cash.

but don't forget also, you cannot withdraw the money until you're 55.

so assuming if the tax relief thing is only until 2022 and the gomen didnt extend the tax relief perk.

then your money is stuck in there for another dunno how many years.

let's throw in a scenario, if you're 30 this year and you can still qualify for the tax relief for the next 2 years.

assuming RM3k x 24% tax savings = RM720 per year x 2 = RM1440 for the next 2 years and no more after that.

then assume your fund is stuck inside until you're 55, means 55 - 32 = another 23 years to go.

assuming the fund only make 3%, or 4% which means you stand to gain 1% p.a. for the next 23 years.

wouldn't you be better off in the long run until 55, having your money in the FD with compounding effect than the tax savings + PRS?
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PRS purpose is for retirement, long term investment, same purpose like EPF. A force saving with 3000 tax relief that might help much to certain group of people especially those don’t have self discipline to save for retirement.
Isn’t it better than those force saving plan eg insurance saving plan?
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post Aug 4 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 4 2020, 11:38 AM)
i thought PRS contribution can be stopped anything...thus it is not a forced saving instrument
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Yes the top up can be stopped, but cannot take out before 55 (acc1).
Put in FD can be taken out..
For some people they need this type of investment.. tax relief + retirement saving
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post Aug 11 2020, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(thxxht @ Aug 11 2020, 03:29 PM)
so is it recommended to continue contributing after 2022? Since no more tax relief.
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If no more tax relief, not recommended to contribute PRS.
but just my opinion I think government will announce the extension in 2020/21 budget
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post Sep 25 2020, 05:29 PM

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Anyone here DCA your PRS fund, eg 500 per 2 months, Or most people lump sum during red?
Previously I always lump sum buy 3000 to prs in December
This year in this volatile market I plan to buy 1k each in the next three months..
any suggestion?
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post Oct 1 2020, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(neo_6053 @ Oct 1 2020, 11:01 AM)
I saw these 2 are performing quite well, any comment? worth investing?
AmPRS - Islamic Equity Fund - Class D
AmPRS - Islamic Balanced Fund - Class D
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1. Depends on your age
Take affin Huang prs as example.
below 40 growth fund
40-50 moderate fund
above 50 conservative fund

2. See their 5 years performance and allocation
Personally I only hold affin Hwang growth PRS fund and Principal PRS plus Asia Pacific ex japan class C and top up these two as long as there is tax relief

This post has been edited by CSW1990: Oct 1 2020, 03:55 PM
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post Oct 6 2020, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(proJay @ Oct 6 2020, 02:44 AM)
Let say one of the PRS fund the current NAV is 0.3, 10 years later still the same or just raise to 0.4.

May I know how people earn from this kind of fund? Is it invest in PRS now and just get the money back when retirement, no need keep sell/switch fund?

Invest 3000 now, 30 years later will get how much?
Sorry im newbie to PRS.
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Earn from distribution which will be reinvested and the NAV price “up”
That is why important that one need to choose the “right and suitable” fund according to your age, risk tolerance and investment purpose.
PRS is for long term investment thus fund selection is the priority, of course timing is important also if want to maximise earning
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post Oct 7 2020, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 7 2020, 03:24 PM)
I buy  through FSM online.
Now Reits low, hope it will pick in 10 years
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I think for REIT, can consider Manulife Shariah PRS Global REIT fund class C also? More on US equity.
Or Manulife PRS Asia Pacific reit fund.

If not wrong all the while Manulife APAC reit fund outperform Am APAC REIT.
But these 2 Manulife PRS fund l can’t find from FSM, only saw at eUT
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post Oct 12 2020, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 12 2020, 05:48 PM)
yup, i don't plan to go for same fund house, meaning left with kenanga, manulife or rhb
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Kenanga one PRS growth fund?
Manulife reit?
You want to go for Malaysia equity or Asia pac or reit? Is up to you to decide right. For me PRS nothing different with long term unit trust investment.. I will take it as a rm3k long term investment to the add up my overall portfolio.
The 3 funds you listed are not bad.
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post Oct 12 2020, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 12 2020, 06:05 PM)
prefer outside malaysia, but limited funds on FSM. i shall wait and see if eunittrust has such promo. on the other hand, seems like kenanga is already back to pre-march level. shouldn't be that bad right?
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Agreed that FSM had not much selection for PRS.

Kenanga one PRS fund is invested in Malaysia
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post Oct 12 2020, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 12 2020, 07:09 PM)
Which good PRS fund investing in Malaysia from other platform?
Can intro a bit?
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Hmm sorry can’t answer that as I didn’t invest in PRS or unit trust focus in Malaysia. To cover Malaysia equity I buy the stock instead.
But for reit PRS, just my opinion Manulife Asia pac reit (s better than Am
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post Oct 12 2020, 08:38 PM

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If top up 3k PRS, the rm8 annual fee is just 0.3%..

I think should choose based on the fund that has good performance record and suits the investor.. Choose wrong fund might loses much more than rm8



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post Oct 12 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Oct 12 2020, 08:41 PM)
If you buy from FSM and eUT, there's no sales fee at all right?
And the RM 8 administration fee is one-time deal and is charged by PPA and PRS provider.
Please don't confuse new investors.
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I mean the sales charge for unit trust, not PRS.
Sorry if make confusion, just want to say that should not simply choose just to save the rm8.
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post Nov 16 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(kafechew @ Nov 16 2020, 11:13 AM)
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I'm looking into these recommended funds.

Is it worth the risk if the 3 years annualised return of a bond fund is better than the equity funds, given most return of the equity funds are in this year (refer YTD)?
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For me, I will get the PRS with more equity allocated as I have 20+ years to go before retire.
Affin prs growth fund 62% equity.
Principal PRS plus Asia Pacific ex japan equity class C 96% equity
I have both of them but this year I am planning to try Principal Islamic PRS plus ASia Pacific ex japan equity class C which allocate more in IT and consumer
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post Nov 18 2020, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(kafechew @ Nov 18 2020, 07:13 AM)
That's not the point. Somebody thought they don't need to pay RM 8 by buying a new fund every year, when topup require RM 8.
My understanding is that we need to pay RM 8 as long as we make contribution after the first year (and per provider), whether it is a new fund or topup.
Sure, we don't want to be penny wise, pound foolish.

Personally, I won't put more than RM 3k into PRS funds in a year.
Find a long term stable fund, just to maximise the PRS tax relief quota.
If not for tax relief, I would totally avoid PRS funds.

RM 3k is a small amount, quite a waste to split into 2 or more PRS funds in a year, with each RM 8 extra charges.

After that, to generate return, better find somewhere with higher return and lower fee. 

Just my 2cents.
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From previous page you are worrying equity fund might not be able to perform better than bond fund in long term based on the past 3 years performance and considering to buy bond fund in PRS?
I am wondering what type of higher return lower fee investment you are saying that can fit your risk appetite?


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post Nov 18 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(kafechew @ Nov 18 2020, 09:59 AM)
Yes. After comparing 2 popular equity funds and a popular bond fund in the PRS limited selections, the risk is not justified for the reward.
Many active funds statistically hardly beat the market for many years consecutively.
Pretty common they're very very good for few years, but lost all in 1-2 years.
Given these funds consists less than 100 holdings, each holding rise or fall will give you worse or better returns comparing the World Index (close to US Index)
And star fund managers come and go, who will determine the performance.
Also, very high annual fee.

Sure, there are some very successful active funds for many decades, notably WB's BRK.
But how many WB in 8 billion people?
Recently, ARK funds too very hot (but still a very young fund).

I couldn't find broad-base passive fund in PRS.
But the tax relief is worth it.
If there is one (equity or bond), I will just invest into it.
Now, is it just choosing the most suitable among the worst.
Like voting for BN or Harapan  tongue.gif
I currently will go for the bond fund, lower risk, lower return but stable.
I revise my strategy once a year, but most probably stick.
Low expanse ratio, broad-base passive index funds or ETFs.
Avoid over-weighted to home country.
For example VT, VTI or equivalent.
Still can get minimum annualised 8% for past decades.

Decided an asset allocation that delivers solid returns and allows me to sleep at night, and then forget about it!
I will better put all focus on my active income, i.e. business or salary.
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You know why they lost in recently 2-3 years right?
Do you have other selection on PRS? The purpose is tax relief. From my point of view for long term just take the one equity with highest return potential and top up 3k to let it roll for 20, 30 years if you still young. Of course nothing is absolutely right or wrong.
If those equity fund with APAC giants like Tencent alibaba cannot grow in 20.30 years to beat Bond fund, I don’t know what it would have happened to this world in the next 30 years. Ww3 or aliens invasion maybe?
You can buy bond fund and ETF from other platform for your portfolio to diversify. I believe no one will only focus invest in PRS


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post Nov 18 2020, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(kafechew @ Nov 18 2020, 01:49 PM)
Currently I'm considering only the three, i.e. 2 equity funds and 1 bond (refer the morningstar screenshot).
Totally agree with Equity for long term.
But not any equity fund. Definitely not active equity funds.
As stated, 50%+ of my current networth is directly with Vanguard Van1579AU (100% equity passive fund).
How many 30+ years company you know not yet disrupted by younger companies?
Those in my mind, Apple, maybe Berkshire, IBM, ... even IBM had been disrupted.
All the old car manufacturers are incomparable to Tesla now, a relatively very young company....
That is totally possible that you will forget about Tencent or Alibaba in years, without WW3 or Alien invasion.
Tech disruption is too common nowadays, especially in China or emerging markets.
For example, if Xi wants Alibaba (Jiang's line) disappeared, Alimama (from Xi's line) can easily replace it, no worry for that.
That said, it is also possible Alibaba will be the 100-year-old undisrupted company as they visioned.
Think statistically.
PRS is only the pure bond I'm watching, as of now.
Another bond I found in my asset is in Akru robo advisor (only 2%), which I don't have a choice for it :-P
That's fine since totally negligible in my whole asset. 

Actually, I always recommend 100% equity fund, not any any equity fund, but a passive world broad-base equity fund.
People parking their liquidity in FD or Stashaway Simple.
I parking at akru portfolio 10 (highest risk).
Leaving only +-10k cash in bank for short-term liquidity.
As long as you have cashflow come in, nothing to worry.
Worst case scenario, like WW3, I can withdraw from equity fund, selling property, .... at lose.

As you observed, in some sense, I'm totally ok with risk.
But, I'm still quite risk-averse, try to avoid active funds.

I know I will lose many opportunities, but that's fine.
I focus more on opportunities in business that I directly own or control.
The business is actually riskier, but it is something I can control.
The one year return from business or any active income can be more than 10 years return from an investment.

Worse if your capital is small.
For example with RM 100k capital, with 100% ROI, it is only another RM 100k.
Most retail investors have less than that, 100% ROI is quite hard...
Those I couldn't control, I will default to world index fund, high likely to continue annual return of 8% without wasting my brain power and peace of mind.

So, I actually think young people (less or no capital) should start businesses, not focus on investment return.
Different case if you're a fund manager, your return is from mainly fee, before investment return.

Just a sharing la ;-)
People's different opinion mah.
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World index might also be negative in 30 years time also. If think like that nothing is impossible.
Apple gone orange will come. Tesla gone Edison will replace.
Yesterday Covid 19, tomorrow Covid 21, who knows right.

Yes I agreed that young people should start business instead of spending time on investment if their target is to do big thing and get rich. But one need to know the risk la, majority people lost money in business and investment.

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post Nov 20 2020, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Nov 20 2020, 04:06 PM)
aiyoh, too late nampak this AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D dip lagi.....4.06pm oledi
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You plan to buy?
Most hk and US reit stock price up last 2 weeks maybe due to vaccine good news, should be a minor correction.I am waiting next week to top up manulife reit.
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post Nov 25 2020, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Nov 25 2020, 07:40 AM)
No,  i won't promote it bcoz takut salah promote.
But normally when the fund really low, no body dare to enter, takut pancit n x dpt fly high.

But when the fund spike high, ppl will said now oledi high, wait dia turun baru in. 🤭🤭🤭
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Actually personally I think reit is a good selection in PRS right now if one’s age allows to let it roll for 10+ years.
Reit is in low price compared to other equity funds and sure will rebound in long term. Anyway it is just 3k and will be locked for years.
But this year I didn’t buy the reit in PRS, haha. The reason is I am lazy to do the extra work to buy from a new PRS fund house, also the manulife reit PRS not yet released in FSM. So buy existing PRS fund and the reit I buy seperately and will dca

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