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post Oct 10 2005, 07:14 PM

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Just have to clear a few things up before the ignorance gets inherited:

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Because I have too much free time, here's what's so bad about the ending:
- FRAWLESS VIKTOLY!
- The battles are so one sided, it's not even funny. Destiny Shinn didn't fight at his best capacity, SF and IJ pwned everyone too easily, Rey just stood there like a brick for Kira's multi spam funnel attack to hit him
- Lacus going SEED by sitting her ass on the commander's seat
- Rey's sudden 180' change without much explanation ("omg, I, Rey, as a person who's been a loyal supporter for Dullindal's wonderful Destiny plan throughout the whole 49 episodes, would suddenly have my IQ dropped to 10 because Kira gave me his wonderful "NO U!" debate, and I would shoot at Dullindal just because of a stupid 3 minute conversation between dully and Kira, with kira saying "NO U NO U NO U!" all along!"
- Nobody dies! (usually in Gundam series, you're supposed to expect some guy dying in the end, or some great battle being fought, where everyone's units are damaged to some degree, but noooo, in GSD, everyone must survive, even the grunts, because despite spamming the whole battlefield with missles and beams, METEORS would never kill anything)
- Messiah's shield *magically* disappears
- The entire Minerva crew got screwed. They all went out like punks. Even if you were to argue that they were the bad guys(which I don't think they are, just saying), usually the bad guys actually do something. For example, the Druggies put up one hell of a fight, Azrael killed Mwu(BWAHAAHA) and got Natarle killed, and Rau killed Fllay.
- No 2km long Wings of Light attack by Destiny >_> (after all the hype built up about Destiny having similarities with V2, I was rather expecting Shinn doing some crazy shit like overloading the beam wings thingy to perform an attack/defence barrier or something like what Usso did)


1) Flawless victory? Was it? The victory came at the loss of many lives, though not from the main cast. Many Zakus and M1s were destroyed, no?

2) Shinn and Rey weren't beaten without reason. And it's not as if Shinn was sure about his purpose in aiding ZAFT anyway.

3) SEED does not just come about from combat. SEED can be invoked in many ways:

"SEED mode represents the ability for an individual with the SEED factor to enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability. While in this state, the person (usually a mobile suit pilot, but not necessarily) demonstrates heightened reflexes and extremely quick information processing. This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation." -- Wikipedia

4) Rey's only reason for helping Dullindal was to build a future. In Hiro's fansubbed version, Rey told Dullindal after he shot him: "I'm sorry. He..., he hopes for a better tomorrow..., so..."

If he sees that Kira's future is what he wants, then that's who he'll help. Before that, Rey was already told that he can be who he wants to be, not just carry on Rau's ideals.

5) Again, many people died, although not from the main cast. Talia died, Dullindal died, Rey died. What? Did you expect Fukuda to kill off Kira, Athrun or Shinn when he's already planning for a sequel?

6) Messiah's shield was the same technology as those anti-beam shields found on Destiny, Strike Freedom, etc. Those shields can be penetrated by physical objects. Freedom was a physical object, as was Rey's Dragoons. That's why Rey's Dragoons can penetrate it, and Strike Freedom could go up close to Messiah to cut it into pieces(he didn't shoot at it, did he?)

7) Minerva's crew was "special", just as ArchAngel was in SEED. They're a sort of main characters. Did you not notice that ArchAngel's crew like Murrue and Sai were given less air time than Minerva's crew? You don't e

8) Destiny's "wings" are really Mirage Colloid particles sprayed around to cause confusion in the eyes and targetting systems of the enemy. That's why there's that wierd sound when it moves around and the movement is blurred.

Anyway, I appreciate your attempts at explaining. It certainly goes further than just screaming "ZOMG! GSD SUX! LOLOLOLOL!!!111111" like all the others have done.

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annndddd this nonsense anime goes on....

btw, i am still amazed how Mwu is still alive. didn't in GS his MS been shot till there's no piece's left of it? how can suddenly he alive again in GSD? if somehow his MS still there and manage to protect him, wouldn't Muurue the one that will look after him, instead of EA? after all she is his lover. but no, she goes on fighting the war and when over say congrats to Kira while her lover floating around in space?

and not forgetting Rey, who is clone of Kluuze and also got some of his memory. why Rey has no hatred towards Mwu at all? Kluuze is after all the enemy no.1 of Mwu the in GS. wouldn't Rey atleast have little thought of revenge towards Mwu?


In the GS series, when Strike was blasted into bits, you could see Mwu's helmet floating in space. Fukuda decided that wasn't what he wanted, and in the GS movies, the helmet bit was removed. His MS doesn't need to be there to protect him. His suit is as good a space suit already, as suggested by Athrun opening Aegis' cockpit in space to receive Lacus, and Kira floating around at the end of it all. Murrue wouldn't be the one to take care of him, since she thought he was gone for good. As such, EA took him in, since he was Mwu La Flaaga, the Hawk of Endymion, one of EA's best assets. He just needs his memory erased, that's all.

Rey does not have the memory of Kluuze. He just knows bits and pieces of his life, that's all. It isn't enough to arouse hatred in someone. For example, you heard from another friend that one of your friends hate another person you know. Will you start hating this person too? Highly doubtful, unless you have something wrong, or just like hating people for the sake of it.

There, I'm done at clearing it all up.
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post Oct 14 2005, 10:50 PM

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^yes, it's true. Out of the mouth of Fukuda himself.
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post Oct 18 2005, 05:18 PM

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^For those who think the SEED series is crap:

IMO, the full experience of SEED should include watching the "summary movies". The extra scenes may help explain certain bits better, and I'm sure Fukuda didn't put the scenes in for fun. I think my SEED experience has been way better than if I didn't watch the movies.

Go get the movies. They help everyone understand things.
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post Dec 30 2005, 01:10 PM

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Hrm, I see that news of Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus has already reached this place.

I have to say, well done Fukuda. You managed to wrap everything up nicely, and not rush the ending. At the same time, you managed to provide a bridge to Gundam Seed Eternity.

Awesome stuff. Probably on equal level with SEED's ending, if not better. I hope Eternity can be done just as well.

Oh, and the animation team needs to be fired. They can't meet deadlines.
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post Dec 30 2005, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Dec 28 2005, 12:06 AM)


No more Mitsuo "Recycle 'Em All' Fukuda horrors, fer cryin' out loud!  doh.gif
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Just fire the animation team and you're done. Fukuda isn't the one doing the animation. He's just writing the story. The animation team's the one who decided to recycle stuff(don't know who the heck they are). Plus, the whole reason there was a bunch of recaps was because the animation team couldn't meet deadlines, so Fukuda had to make do with less episodes to tell the same story(you book times with channels for a set number of episodes, no more no less).

Fire them, and let IG Studios take over..., or even BONES. HELL YEAH! BONES! That'd be awesome. BONES are awesome at animating fights, as evident in Eureka Seven and Cowboy Bebop.

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