QUOTE(mopster @ Oct 4 2011, 02:52 PM)
sound banyak syiok.... LOL, now everyone buy buy buy again?
STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V100, Perfect 100
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Oct 4 2011, 02:54 PM
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Oct 4 2011, 03:32 PM
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I don't buy the glove story.
More like overcooked. |
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Oct 4 2011, 03:43 PM
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Oct 4 2011, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Oct 4 2011, 10:23 PM) BAC is 5.26. if default does happen, i will wait till it drop to cents then buy in tons.. then rich in years.. C?rich? C plunged from USD50 to USD1. Now is around 22, which is equivalent to USD2.20 (due to reverse split). So you can figure it out, how many people make ton of money or rich with C, and how many people lose big in C. |
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Oct 5 2011, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Oct 4 2011, 11:46 PM) i mean later if C drop below 20 cents, i will buy 20000. People had this kind of mindset, when C dropped from 50 to 20.Then when US too big to fail, then it will pump money into C and C will be back to 20 dollars. then I earn 400000 USD, which equivalent to 1.2 million ringgit.. Same when 20-10, same when 10-5, same when 5-2. Only the last batch that bought from 2-1 manage to eke out some gain. C never back to 20 since after the big plunge, it is now USD2 equivalent only. If a stock can fall from 20 to 20 cents, what is the likelyhood it can back up straight away to 20? The chance may slimmer than hitting the lottery. FYI, you cannot stay listed if stock price below 1.00 |
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Oct 5 2011, 12:55 AM
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Oct 5 2011, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(noswear @ Oct 5 2011, 11:18 AM) so many ppl cash rich...shouldnt be we do opposite...when ppl not buying we buy....when ppl buying...we sell... You don't need to "sail lang" to make money in stock market.In summary: To be millionaire.... now everybody cash rich = not buying....u should be cash strapped by "SAI LANG" all into market.... Just a portion like 30-50% buying during panic time will do the job and make you decent profit. For eg. 100k, use 50K to buy during panic time, stock price can easily make you 30-100% afterwards when market recover time, which mean you can make a few ten k out of it. Which is good enough. Even Warren Buffett does not "sai lang". Berkshire is having significant high level of cash, in most time, even during market bull time, or bear time. It is totally unwise to "sai lang" in whenever time. Stock market is to make extra money using money. Sai lang mean put all the money in risk. Stock market is not everything in our life, don't need to sai lang, and potential make oneself miserable when unforseen event happened in stock market. You don't know what can happen in stock market or your individual stock owned. |
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Oct 5 2011, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(Superman7 @ Oct 5 2011, 11:05 AM) take action before it's too late. The latest up-buying of glove sector is definitely not sustainable.. What was the reason for the rally? Rise in USD and drop in latex price? and all of that reflected in the companies result in 2 weeks? How is that possible? Last time many analysts stated there are a lot of new capacity, new factory, new production will come online, which excess capacity could dampen the glove pricing. Now those new factory suddenly evaporising already? Rise in USD merely up not more than 10%, even so the factor being transferred into company revenue, merely extra 10% profit. If recession does hit across, commodities price plunge and latex price plunge, do you think glove pricing still can stay high? If can, then buy buy buy.... |
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Oct 5 2011, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Oct 5 2011, 11:39 AM) 'sailang' doesnt exist in my dictionary as for gloves.. Analysts only tell u 1/2 of the story.. aka latex price down, glove margin up.. they never tell u when latex price down, there may be price competition and and downward revision of glove price also... to ensure good earnings, they also need very high demand.. like a sudden spike during swine flu/h1n1 last time... (imo) Whenever customers knew your raw materials price goes down, and supply is abundant, customer will play "pressing game" to negotiate price with you already. |
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Oct 5 2011, 02:27 PM
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Oct 5 2011, 03:09 PM
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Frankly speaking, UOADev looks attractive.
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Oct 5 2011, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Oct 5 2011, 03:12 PM) Oh yes cherroy, quite some of us entered the boat already at 1.50 last month. After reading it's dividend policy plan and the beaten down PE, i decided to enter. Adding to my watchlist... My only property stock left besides REIT since SP SETIA is pretty much dead already..lols I have UOAreit but not (yet) UOADev. |
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Oct 6 2011, 11:26 AM
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Market is putting very high hope on tomorrow budget.
Over-optimistic? The answer is after Friday market close. |
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Oct 6 2011, 11:30 AM
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Oct 6 2011, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 6 2011, 11:36 AM) We see 'lu tolong gua, gua tolong lu' budget. Expecting Tai Shen Yeh to come and throw us money! LOL, personally I never like construction stocks. Added on October 6, 2011, 11:37 am Like UEMLand and MRCB? Can consider? Never bought any construction stock before, for the last 18-20 years. if not mistaken. |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 6 2011, 02:13 PM) Less than 3-months to close book for 2011 investment but still in negative, jialat. As much as I said before, UOADev is attractive.Need to re-adjust portfolio. 1) Buy badly beaten down quality stock as chances of rebounding is higher 2) buy in volume I picked UOADEV. Hopefully can see some fruitful return by year end. But with this stock, can easily end up with more red/negative for this year end due to market sentiment also property boom reach its peak. Near term or 1-2 year down the road, we shouldn't see properties boom further or boom like previous year pace. Expectation for property sector should be consolidation phase. Any buying currently, is not for short term purpose. But at least 2-3 years down the road. So be prepared. One thing good about UOADev is it has little borrowing. If the company can show sincerity and fulfill its dividend policy, aka or at least 40-50% of its earning, then I forsee investors confidence can be back and put a strong support footing on its share price. Nowadays, the stock market is very particular on dividend. Once can consistently give good dividend, stock price will have very strong footing one. Without dividend, share price can fall like no bottom one. |
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Oct 7 2011, 09:54 AM
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Buy on rumour, sell on news?
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Oct 7 2011, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(ken_ng @ Oct 7 2011, 10:01 AM) i don't know the exact answer but from my understanding, it means u might loss alot because u want to earn a little. I spoke many many time.lets take the MSBS-wa as example(assuming the brokerage fee is 0.15%): -when some1 buy 300 lots @ 0.65 and sell @ 0.655 with half cent profit, then he gains RM 39.53. -when some1 buy 300 lots @ 0.65 and sell @ 0.645 with half cent loss, then he loss RM 259.93. so the loss is bigger when u try to earn a little though both are half cent difference. It is identical to bet an abalone to win a peanut. No offence. This is the reason why >50% people actually lose money in stock market. Buy a stock, gain peanut, cabut. Forever earn peanut. Even the stock flying to the roof afterwards, chance of win abalone gone, due to cannot withstand the temptation to win a peanut. But make mistake time, hold and hold, lose abalone. Even cut loss at 10%, also hurt big. Mostly you gain 2-3 times is not enough to cover 1 loss one. The more in and out the market, the higher chance making loss. Unless one is really really good in trading. But majority people are not. No offence. It is very easy to know most people lose money in stock market. A stock was RM1 10 year ago, now also Rm1. With everyday trading and volume transacted, you don't need sophiscated mathematics to know people are losing money in this stock mostly. Every transaction, commission, stamp duty incurred, while stock price/valuation remain the same, you can do the math how much money lose due to commission alone. There are many many stocks especially goreng stocks, that price is same or even lower than 10 or 15 years ago. |
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QUOTE(raymannlucas @ Oct 7 2011, 10:35 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « bet an abalone to win a peanut. I strongly agree on this. cherroy, do u know student nowadays are smart also? they r given 100k and only allow to but shares above rm1, they can win 20k in 3 days. almost 20% profit! i wonder how they did that... Use 100k buy FKLI contract, each contract margin roughly 5k, you can buy 20 contract. Index surge 10 points, gain 9 points after deducting commission, Rm450 per contract x 20 = RM9k profit, already win 9% today. So if bought last Monday at 1320, now gain 80 points = RM4k per contract, now you win Rm80k. Actually virtual game has a bad effect as well. While to win in those virtual game trading, you must punt those CWs, punt those goreng stock, penny stock that can gain you 50-100% in matter of days and month time only, as most competition concluded after a month or 2. It is plain foolish to play the virtual game by buying blue chip stock, boring dividend stocks, as mostly you won't win in those competition. While in reality, money is not easy to come by, a 100k can mean someone life-time saving, once lose, many not have second life to gain back the capital. No capital in stock market, you are out. Sound harsh, but this is the reality. |
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Oct 7 2011, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Oct 7 2011, 11:07 AM) those who join the game will likely become fund managers, and gamble with your (investors) money.... they still earn commissions and fees Fund managers bare zero lose even when the fund lose big and still charging the management and initial charge.if they lose, it's ur fault for not reading the fine prints.. lol They never lose, you lose only. To bad, I studied wrong course, should study finance in U time. Engineering need to work asx off, Saturday also need to work, sometimes even Sunday. |
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