Two consecutive 5am nights out in Zouk is giving me a hangover so massive I'm immune to the fact we've dropped another 2 points at home. Nice to see some mancs are still closet fans of ours. So quite in defeat, so annoyingly noisy in victory. Must be the sort who left early when they were annihilated by City. Sorry but words only matter when they come out of the mouth of a credible fan. Else it's just white noise.

Legendary!

Dedicated to those glory hunters!

Bringing up the Giggs or Rooney debacles doesn't mean it's ok for any of our players to commit similar heinous acts. It does however lend credit to the fact that there are so many hypocrites out there who are so willing to air someone else's dirty laundry without first cleaning up their own house. I don't care why Giggs did what he did, maybe he slipped and fell into her ***** or maybe they really are in love, I could care less. His personal life is his. All I know is I've always looked up to him as a model pro and that incident has kind of tarnished his image because I do not think you can accidentally do what he did. That being said, this is a separate issue and nothing to do with Suarez. All I ask is for people not to be hypocrites and if they have lost respect for Suarez, you have to have lost respect for Giggs as well.

Worse case, Suarez said what he said but I really doubt it was with malicious intent. He's played in Holland for years and there are a lot of dark skinned players and people there. If he was racist, it would have surfaced earlier although I'm sure there are those who will fail to comprehend logic like this. Like I said, he was naive but an example needs to be made and unfortunately for Suarez, it looks like he's on display. I believe they'll prove that he's guilty of saying it, but I doubt they'll prove he meant is as an insult and not as other South Americans mean it.

Break it down for ya.

1. suarez accused of racism
2. fans say suarez is not a racist
3. says that suarez played in holland for 5 years no racial issue
4. therefore, because of #3, #1 cannot be true.

flawed logic. like i said, first time for everything. as for suarez being a racist, maybe, maybe not. but the saying suarez played 5 years with no incident isnt really valid "prove" enough to completely discount him.

right, show me a fan without bias.

I dont think suarez endears evra very mucho. once, twice, maybe acceptable....maybe he forgot hes in england it slipped out. if its really 10x please no way its endearment anymore. its racism

you can be bias, and sit on the fence. do you know what bias mean? you do realize unless you are suarez/evra, you are basically picking a side blind because its word vs word?

you are the troll for posting things like "evra made 2 racial claims before this"

evra made 0. please back up your statements since you are so into me backing mine up

do you know what context is? apply some. requires brains though....so yea. please also learn the meaning of "if"

i also see that you have not retracted your false statement about evra making 2 racial complaints and also you did not provide anything to back those statements...well i will then.

steve finnan - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/ma...ewsstory.sport4

london rentboys - “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.” From the FA report.

Sorry. maybe my english is poor but how the hell one can sit one the fence when he is bias? What on earth are you talking about?

gotta explain everything to the basic level sigh

1. two sides, suarez and evra.
2. suarez and evra are mutually exclusive. that means if suarez is right, evra is wrong and vice versa
3. dukered asked my opinion on whether suarez is innocent or guilty
4. since it is always innocent until proven guilty, so innocent lor at the moment
5. but since events are mutually exclusive, me saying suarez is innocent = me saying evra is wrong/false accusation which is not true either.
6. on the fence.

u dont. u cant comprehend so you mask it with this and that. infact every post all you do is answer my questions with more questions.

evra didnt train today. he lepak in our thread