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 Silver as investment V2, Don't cry, buy now.

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cruzzie73
post Dec 13 2011, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(ballackahn @ Dec 13 2011, 05:07 PM)
I browsed through 'Silver - The New Shine' book at MPH today and it got me interested to check out on silver. i stumbled on this thread and as of now, spend almost 3 hours reading pages and pages of good stuff written. Now I'm getting really interested in this. I just need some advice from you veterans out there:

my scenario:
i am a complete newbie in the field
and I can allocate 300 a month for buying anything silver.
My goal is to cash out on silver after 4 years, assuming my plans for PHD overseas will work out.

my plan of action:
buy a small bar and a numismatic coin and keep them at a bank safe box every month.
slowly sell them away towards the end of my investment period.
what say you champs?would my plan work?

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You actually had your plan pretty well thought out already. Easy, just start buying low premium, internatinally recognised, investment grade silver bars. As you progressively gain more knowledgement on silver investment, then you can change your plan or the type of silver investment you want to venture into.

And yeah, don't get too bothered by the price fluctuation, it's not easy to "time the market", just buy at fixed time period and let the law of averaging do the job.

Visit this forum often, learn from others, and also contribute back with sharing what you've learnt over the course of your silver investment journey.


Added on December 13, 2011, 6:08 pm
QUOTE(ballackahn @ Dec 13 2011, 05:41 PM)
i myself thought of that too. 4 years might be a bit too short for silver, since it might take some time for it to catch up with gold. Ill probably buy capital protected funds to save up for PHD, while buying silver for the long run. thanks for the insight.

where do you get your silver from? and where do you keep em?

cheers!
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Buy silver with your disposable money only. If you have some money that's already allocated for a specific reason other than investment or value protection, don't use that money to buy.

If you already have the funds set aside for your PhD, and silver investment is for potential harvest AFTER your PhD completion, then go ahead and invest in silver with your extra money.

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post Dec 14 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Dec 14 2011, 01:20 PM)
1. thank U for the book i will take a look at it.

2. let me make it clear to all forumer, I don;t believe in dooms day prediction on exact date.

What I believe in is PEAK OIL and its implication that lot of people don;t understand and completely ignore it until it's too late. Thus, I rarely invest in property & stock due to PEAK OIL. for more info on peak oil go to

http://www.peakoilandhumanity.com/chapter_choice.htm

What I worry most now is possible WAR in IRAN?
what I strive for is low energy lifestyle. Anything that lead to low energy is a contradiction in present economy model.
if one has a business model on it, it may be successful but hated by most in the process of implementation.
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Low energy lifestyle should be more actively promoted as not many people really care about what they can do to adopt such lifestyle, perhaps energy is still too cheap to motivate them to be thrifty/effecient in energy usage. And, people generally do not really undersand what is low energy lifestyle, they never thought about everything and anything manufactured in this world requires energy, cleaning up pollution also takes energy, etc etc. By understanding low energy lifestyle, everyone of us can do a little to contribute to delaying (or possible to avoiding) this economic and social calamity caused by Peak Oil.

Anyway, back to silver......

Silver tarnish is not really a concern when we are keeping silver bars and rounds as it does not affect the value of silver that much, if not at all. It is only a big concern when we keep special items like MS69-MS70. So if we are getting physical silver but concerned about tarnish, just buy bars and rounds. Low maintenance, requires no special handling and care, and low premium.

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post Dec 14 2011, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 14 2011, 04:59 PM)
I had said it earlier, to prepare for GoldChan worries, go for the following assets in decending order.
1) Land to plant food.
2) Silver/Gold
3) Non US Stocks on Utilities, Energy and Commodities.
4) Swiss Franc
5) ??
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5. Lots of batteries? smile.gif Am quite sure there will be people who are willing to exchange with their gold/silver that time.

Anyway, if fiat money is to collapse in the near future, we may not have to wait till oil approaching exhaustion to experience Peak Oil scenario, oil and everything else would become too expensive to common folks who are not well prepared, economic and social unrest could just happen then.

The above list is for longer term preparation, and we here at least already started with item #2. If fiat collapse or Peak Oil is drawing near, then we need to really look into item #5 and other sundries and supplies.
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post Dec 16 2011, 02:37 AM

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Bear in mind that more than 90% of electricity in Malaysia is generated from carbon fuel. So, it is about how much energy are we using that matters. As for the type of energy, hope the scientists can rapidly improve the technology of various renewable energy generation, to make them more economical, requiring less energy to build, and operating at high efficiency. And hope their work will not be stopped or hijacked by the oil giants.

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:19 AM

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What I mean is, whether we switch to using electric or continue to use petrol, it doesn't help much because most of these energy resources are from carbon based fuel and they will run out one day. And no need to fight like a bull, it doesn't help much either. smile.gif

Maybe i'm more of an optimist, i still believe that if mankind is to gather the resources and work hard, we can improve things. Technological breakthrough may not come easily but we certainly can improve, provided mankind is willing to put in huge resources for research. Imagine if oil giants are fully in support of renewable energy research, how much more can the scientists do. Question is, why they want to do that? They are in the energy exploitation business, while fussion-fission technology is more for energy storage & transfer, don't think they want to go into a battery business. Renewable energy if successful, may provide various sources of energy but that would mean they lose the monopolistic nature of the business. It's all about business......

Just an optimistic hope that one day, they will find ways to benefit from all these researches and start supporting them fully.

And if not, if the current situation continue its course, like Goldchan said we may move back 30-40 years, or more. And in the process of moving backwards we will see economic calamities and social unrest.

hmm..... we are way out of topic now.
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Dec 16 2011, 12:21 PM)
anyone buying more silver during this price dip?
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Going to.
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post Dec 16 2011, 03:08 PM

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Better start with low premium investment grade silver bars and rounds because this is the type of investment grade silver closest to the silver spot price. Once you gained more knowledgement about silver investment then only consider whether you should venture into other things like coins, special grades, numismatic collections, etc etc because you would have to pay more premium to get those. Better know what you are really paying for before actually paying it.
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post Dec 16 2011, 03:41 PM

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Saw this at another thread, thought it's good to share.

It's about US debt situation.

QUOTE(recyka @ Dec 15 2011, 11:26 PM)
Saw this on my FB wall, copy and pasted here

The US Problem Explained!
Here is why S&P downgraded the US credit rating.
• U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
• Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
• New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
• National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
• Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000,000
How effective will the budget cuts be?

Now let’s remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget.
• Annual family income: $21,700
• Money the family spent: $38,200
• New debt on the credit card: $16,500
• Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
• Total budget cuts: $385
What are your thoughts now?
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Bankrupt lor!!!!
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post Dec 19 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(abi@abui @ Dec 19 2011, 05:06 PM)
hi everybody!!!
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Hello Abi, welcome to the silver forum. Care to intro yourself?
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post Dec 20 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Dec 20 2011, 01:00 PM)
if it goes usd 5 per oz, obviously most silver believers will buy more
but if goes 150 per oz, would u buy more, would u sell it, or would you hold there and wait for it goes higher?
anyone has any exist strategy?
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That depends on our objectives in buying silver.

If we buy for investment and to make money (in fiat terms), then we need an exit strategy. Sell it off after hitting our target price.

But if we buy for the purpose of savings or keeping value of our money, then we do not sell it until we need to use it. It's just like saving money (in fiat terms), we don't use the money unless we need it.
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post Dec 20 2011, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(chef @ Dec 20 2011, 02:55 PM)
For people who buy silver to hedge against inflation, we will just hold on to it and slowly sell off as and when we need it, example, WOW I can buy a bungalow for 5 pieces of 1oz gold bar, surely I will take it out and swap for the house.

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All of us can dream about this but it will unlikely happen within our lifetime.

Reason: unlike fiat money, physical commodity and properties are limited in quantity. The inflation we are experiencing is caused by the unlimited supply of fiat money, thus losing its perceived value. In other words, inflation is the lost value of fiat money. What we see in property and gold/silver price hike now is actually inflation.

But when you compare a commodity to another commodity, physical good to another physical good, there is no such thing as inflation. There is however, changes in the value of the items depending on real demand and supply situation between the 2 comparing items. But since silver/gold and properties are limited in supply, both having growth in demand, both will rise in value. One may rise faster than the other, but i don't see gold/silver rising faster than properties by 100 times. (currently 100oz gold = 1 house) Unless there is reason for demand for PM to increase 100 times more than properties, or supply of property grows 100 times more than PM, it is unlikely to happen.
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post Jan 4 2012, 05:25 PM

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Marcus, at the top of the pyramid, crown council of 13, with an eye... see that?
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post Jan 4 2012, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(marcuslpm @ Jan 4 2012, 05:40 PM)
yeap. that was what i thought of when i saw the pyramid.
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And also look at the section "world population control", religion, government, education, media.....


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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Jan 4 2012, 06:35 PM)

wondering who is the eye? controlling the whole world  cool2.gif
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Join us for yumcha. smile.gif

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