That does not mean we should take it without understanding other factors involve. Most of the post article posted here are from US which reflects the US market not the market we have here in Malaysia.
I am replying base on the way you present your argument. You must be having a rough day seeing how you just wish to attack people verbally instead of replying people in a civilized method.

Like you mention,people can post whatever they like on the forum,now my reply is base on your use of words in a place for discussion not verbal attacks.

What is civility and what is verbal attack? Everyone have different yardstick, and who are you to judge? I believe this forum have mitigating mechanism that censored certain words that are deem offensive and will not allow it to appear in this forum, like the words starting with 's" and 'f'. I don't see words like crap, and BS  are words not disallowed in this forum, and I am not directing to anyone directly in the first place. I am puting in my post with facts and reference to repudiate Crap and BS, so that inncocent readers will not be influence by the posting. If the forumer think they are posting facts and not BS, then I am not reffering to them, period. I am putting my facts on 1 oz silver bar in the forum, and if they don't have the brain to understand them, it is not my fault. This forum is an informal setting that only the admin set the rules. Forumer can keep their own rules and regulation to sanction their own family and have no right to sanction other forumers on proper conduct and decorum in any forum for that matter. If any forumer are so offended, they are free to skip the offensive articles, complain to admin to sanction the author of particular  posting and choose not to participate in this forum.

As far as I am concern, you can go fly kite for all I care, as you are a nobody with a shallow thinking. What do you have that you think you are qualified to lecture me? Age, experience, education, achievement or money? Name it? Don't give me all those qualitative factors of your own yardstick to judge others. No one have the right to sanction anyone for what they said in a free and 'democratic' country. Oh! you can sue me if you think I am offensive to repudiate your uncalled for comment of what I said.

base on what i understand + see + 6th senses.
in the future I foresee the following
a) Price of silver will go up, silver is rare people will just look for any form of silver.
b) Numismatic value growth rate will go down. U can see that in gold panda prices when gold approaches USD1700/oz. Thus there is more growth in silver content. Thus, U better cash out when the numismatic value is still high.

c) to understand numismatic you must understand collector behavior, rarity and how it occurred and in most cases it is due to accidental decision/policy/unique
situation. U need to be a collector to understand. Thus 50% of the time i got it wrong, thus i got the idea but sometimes trading will screw up your initial plan due
to lack of patience and cash flow.
d) in the future, branding is more important. The will be some issue on the authencity of the coin/bar. thus, stick to popular brand when U r still hoarding.

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Added on December 2, 2011, 10:24 pmWow! the bull is full with energy.

1. U will be surprised to know who much Perth mint sells to their reseller those dragon coin.
Dragon 1 oz can be as cheap as USD55/oz or lower at spot USD30-USD35/oz. according to my secret source.

2. Silver round /bar :- 95% of the time it has no numismatic value, U can only dream of it lah numismatic value.
the remaining 5% U name it lah, i will try to double verify but that all also depends on collector size and buyer.

of course coin with legal tender is no doubt the best investment but with  a 15.5% (closed to 16%) upfront tax thus making it not so worthwhile
lah. thus, the right legal way is branded bar is the choice to go. that what my sales data tell me.

for years i been trying to convince people on certain issues be it peak oil, 9-11 , gold silver
but my success rate is very low. and on top of that there are lot of people will sing a song
" I did it my way"
So, now i have a general policy unless they ask then only i tell my comment, otherwise there is not much point in convincing others as both has a strong mind and conviction.
exception on forum sometimes voice out something lah.
i generally found that after a certain age > 30, people will form their own ideas /view etc susah to change.
"force a horse drink water"

as one open to other comment, progress is seen

@y_Lc

wah.. so cheap now lunar dragon RM258/pc!!

You posted many articles from US, are your facts base on US market or Malaysian market?

i can find more at RM138/oz for 10oz dragon 

I am not questioning the validity of your articles, just are your views of silver solely base on US market or Malaysian market?
Yes, I personally feel that for silver to be successful or gain more attention than gold is when Malaysian market evolve to how US market works. Many people may not like silver due to it being difficult to liquidate as easily as gold.

Why would it be so hard to sell a 1kg silver compared to a 1oz silver? Its still silver after all right? In fact many US article are mentioning how silver is performing better but if you cannot dispose your stock how are you going to get your investment back? Until we see bank willing to bring in silver investment scheme, I don't think silver will be an attractive precious metal. I know physical is better than paper, but if we are going to buy physical and sell it later when we see silver rises in price, aren't we still tightly hung onto the failed financial system?

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Added on December 3, 2011, 1:03 am

Got mine too.. too bad they only gave me one set even though using 2 account to buy. Stupid me to use same address 

Gonna buy toto with the number? 

Well,

I guess you really do not give credit to expert in malaysia or asia PM expert. You do know that the largest consumer of gold (big brother of PM) is in india? and by the way, china is over taking everyone as the world largest consumer of all PM. US guru? well, like I said, what makes the thing they say as facts? Like quackpack said, property boom in singapore or US, doesn't affect malaysia. Silver price goes up USD 5 per oz, US unemployment rate improved, doesn't make a coin size dent in ASIA.

So I would say ASIA's point of view IS more important. If you are talking about old timer who knows more, well, looking small, GOLDCHAN is among on of the taikor here who has been in this for years, and prophetjul is equally long, so i guess their views are equally important. 

I do hope you do not assume all the readers here are not using their brains, and to assume that having 43 years of trading experience in some other product might not make you instant expert in something else, I believe all of us learn till we are old, and not claim EXPERT, be humble and you get to learn more. I'm sure not many people around you will give advice like that to you, since you keep using the old, experience, know more reason to prevent learning of even more useful info.

Like cruzzie and I said, everyone makes their own decision, let them be, we are not newbies, let us decide what we want to do with our funds, why get upset when people do not listen to what you have to say? I mean, will you pay for our losses if we just follow your every advice? I'm sure if you have  "guarranteed returns, guarranteed capital, no risk" scheme like those banks funds, we will all rush in and join your band wagon. Otherwise...

I know someone who googles for information for 8 years, but had no practical experience or expertise in the real thing compared to those who has been in the market for 2 years. you google silver is good! but you wouldn't google silver is bad! so all 800 hours of search is just to substantiate your train of thoughts. spend another 1,000 hours, it'll still be wasted if you are not looking at the right place. (Ha ha....hey everyone, don't shoot me, I didn't mean silver is bad, it was just an example, really...) 

I used to trade in coffee beans and japanese cocoon, but I will not claim I know silver and gold after only 4 months, live is a on going learning process, do not let your age stop you from opening your mind.

chef

PS a reminder, let's not use dirty words or calling people brainless or name calling, civilized discussion only. 

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Added on December 3, 2011, 10:47 am

Ha ha,

Great job, I WAS trying to relax, spend free time coming in and join some discussion and share beautiful pictures of silver.

Hey, nice bars, but the premium is too high, I was poisoned by you when you show the 9 colored coin set, now I'm going to RESIST!! ha ha... by the way, how much is it? you selling?? ARGH!! ...

chef

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Added on December 3, 2011, 10:55 am

Hi quackpack,

That was what I was started out as saying, that because of liquidity problem of silver bars in mlaaysia, I'm thinking of moving to gold, and I was right. (To be fair, for the current day, time and period) malaysia accept gold more readily than silver. I do see silver jumps higher and faster than gold because of the potential, but as most investor will tell you, buy some stock for long term gain, buy some for medium returns, and the rest for quick trading. Gold is for quick trading, 1oz silver bar is for quick trading (low margin and low volume). I think it's called spreading your investment portfolio, but this is the funds you set aside for PM, then you should have some set aside for property, and some for currency or shares...

Anyone disagree?

chef

I've got Dr. Kong's book, haven't had the chance to read it yet but a friend already borrowed it from me 

Taurusbull and Chef, I would like to request both of you to cool, or take your verbal fights outside this public forum. Not sure about others but i feel that your disagreeing viewpoints are becoming personal and it may be making some forumers here feeling uncomfortable. I'm not the admin of this forum and i can't tell you what to do. It's just a request.

I did read some of the articles from your website which really open up my mind to this PM, sometimes I'm quite lazy to read.
Even Mike Maloney "Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver" I listened to the audio book.
Anyway special thanks to (not in particular order) :
Property101
chef
taurusbull
chunyen2020
goldchan
& others for all your contributions.
Without you guys guidance I'll not be looking at this PM at all

if i'm just start invest the silver, better buying bar or buy coin?

Taurus,
Mind to explain more on point no. 4. Many thanks...

yup...this seems to be a very common situation that happens.
at first a person is interested in silver is due to the potential of silver to shine in the near future. so very naturally the person will be attracted to the lower premium form of investment-grade silver. but as time pass by, this person get more involved in silver and noticed that there are a lot of more beautiful form of silver. then he would slowly move into other forms of silver rather than the low premium bar.
ok...i got to admit, i'm that person i'm talking about

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theory and practice is a different thing.
In theory is only applicable when U have a liquid market where U can sell and buy anytime.

in practice for silver,
you may be able to buy at any time right now at roughly around the price you targeted, but to sell at your target price will depend on the volume and type of goods you have. maybe at one goal you can sell 1,000 oz at SLS, but if market is dumping 10,000oz at same prices at SLS whether individual or combined.
i doubt you can sell off all of them unless U cut prices to very low.
seller beware.

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Added on December 12, 2011, 10:26 pmwell to be more correct from my point of view,
mother earth will kill most of us  if we didn;t kill ourselves first. nuko each other.
we as human has done most of the killing (fish, insects, forest etc) now it's revenge time.

I browsed through 'Silver - The New Shine' book at MPH today and it got me interested to check out on silver. i stumbled on this thread and as of now, spend almost 3 hours reading pages and pages of good stuff written. Now I'm getting really interested in this. I just need some advice from you veterans out there:

my scenario:
i am a complete newbie in the field
and I can allocate 300 a month for buying anything silver.
My goal is to cash out on silver after 4 years, assuming my plans for PHD overseas will work out.

my plan of action:
buy a small bar and a numismatic coin and keep them at a bank safe box every month.
slowly sell them away towards the end of my investment period.
what say you champs?would my plan work?

thanks!

thats the plan now mate. just one more question, where do you people keep your precious stuff? if its in bank safe boxes, which one would be good?

good of u to offer taurusbull, when my amount get considerable, might need ur intro. haha, now only have few pcs, no point

come down lower! then can get more cheaper. for newbie its better

1. thank U for the book i will take a look at it.

2. let me make it clear to all forumer, I don;t believe in dooms day prediction on exact date.

What I believe in is PEAK OIL and its implication that lot of people don;t understand and completely ignore it until it's too late. Thus, I rarely invest in property & stock due to PEAK OIL. for more info on peak oil go to

http://www.peakoilandhumanity.com/chapter_choice.htm

What I worry most now is possible WAR in IRAN?
what I strive for is low energy lifestyle. Anything that lead to low energy is a contradiction in present economy model.
if one has a business model on it, it may be successful but hated by most in the process of implementation.

want to ask if its normal for silver bar to have black spots on it like fungus

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Added on December 14, 2011, 3:06 pmgold thread truly is terrible, nobody bothered to answer question. all they talk about is price this and that. they're just trader. no wonder gold is boring not like silver. this thread is still the best in whole forum for me. the people here is very nice

anyway anyone here know if its true whether can buy cheaper gold at bank negara. i know, i just google it and nothing there. just want to confirm. my mom heard from another friend can buy there. so many wrong info

Sorry, no silver investment for me because physical silver can tarnish with time and I hate to polish this metal, period.

Today I learned 2 new things in LSGG/Silver Thread here..

1. Land for palm oil/durian
2. Peak Oil

Thank you.. I think I am more enjoying the learning here compare with my uni's engineering subjects LOL.