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Solar Power Generation, for home use/sell back to tnb
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 25 2015, 12:49 PM
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Hi guys,
Been thinking of exploring solar lately but I really suck at the math. If I have a 50w panel, does it mean I can power a 50w/hour device? And then to power at night depends on the size of the battery correct? How to calculate this?
Also, any idea on on-grid system? Can we diy or must we get tnb approval?
Thanks
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 25 2015, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 25 2015, 01:26 PM) A 50w panel can generate 50w of power in 1hr. So if you expose the panel in whole day, it can generate 50Wx 5hr=250whr of power. But this is just a theory calculation. Not yet minus some bad thing. You need to know your device usage. Than you can know the panel can support or not. Let say your device suck 20w and you want to use 10hr. That is 20wx10hr=200whr. So it is under 250whr panel. Your device are good to go. For battery is a bit complicated. For on-grid, you need get a approving installer. Can't DIY. Just only the document, can kill you.  Cause I tried connectting the 18v 50w panel directly to a 12v 0.8A DC fan but it won't run. Need to connect through a battery only can. Is this because of the amps? The out of the panel measures 18++V. Also for this, does it mean my fan takes 12x0.8=9.6whr?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 26 2015, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 25 2015, 10:11 PM) Your fan is only require 9.6w. If you run for 1hr, it only consume 9.6wx1hr=9.6whr. Your panel supply more than enough power. The problem is the voltage. 18v is too high for the fan. Any possibility burn down the fan. You need a charge controller to regulate the voltage down to 12v. The charge controller also can use for charge the battery. Ya, what I mean is, shouldn't the fan run directly from the panel since it's 18v? Mine doesn't run at all. It moves when you connect but that's all. Is it because of the lack of amps? How much amps does a 50w produce? 50w/18v =2.77A?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 27 2015, 11:45 AM
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Anyone using off grid systems? how do you maximize a solar panel? be it 10w or 50w?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 27 2015, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2015, 11:47 AM) I reach page 10 already cannot tahan. any tips?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 27 2015, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2015, 05:11 PM) Too much poison is it? 50w panel what you want maximize? Can generate 100w from 50w? I mean I have a 50w panel, a charge controller, a car battery. So far I can charge all my usb devices daily. I'm trying to reduce RM 10 of my TNB bill. Is this possible?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 27 2015, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2015, 06:16 PM) You can do a calculation. 50w expose 5hr a day, 50wx5hr=250whr. 1mth output is 250whrx365day/12=7.6kwh/mth. Given the TNB rate is 0.218sen/kwh. So 7.6kwh x 0.218sen = RM1.65/mth can be reduce. Is it possible? Okay, let me try from another angle, previously I said my dc fan is 12v .8A = 9.6W. So daily it consumes 230.4W correct? But assuming the sun shines for 5 hours, I would need a battery for the remaining 19hours right? So how big would the battery need to be? Btw, I need to run the fan 12 hours a day only but would like to know the calculation. Thanks.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 27 2015, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 27 2015, 07:56 PM) Don't ever think to invest solar power to reduce TNB bill, unless you apply Feed In Tariff. Our electricity is still consider low compare to those developed countries. When the day TNB charge RM1 per KWH, then you can think to invest solar power. How to apply FIT? What is the capital? ROI worth it?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2015, 09:56 PM) You need a 45AH battery. You don't drain your battery to zero. It will shorten the battery life. So put it at 50% or more of battery usage. This calculation is also just provide 1day backup. If you have cloudy day next day, you won't be able to run full of your fan. The remaining 19hr is using 183whr. 183whr/12v = 15.25AH. 12.25AH / 0.5 = 30.5AH of battery. Than you need to consider the rate of discharge. Cincai put it at 0.8. So you need 30.5AH /0.8 =38AH battery. Interesting. I have one of this at home which runs 24/7. How much power does it use in a hour? Sorry for the math questions.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 28 2015, 12:17 PM) What you have run in your home 24/7 ? Paiseh. IT's my water filter. http://www.coway.com.my/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=35
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 28 2015, 01:02 PM) You mean want to power this dispenser is it? But you got to check the power consumption first. Get a kill a watt meter to check for a mth. Get the average consumption usage. Than only can do the calculation. Oh, cause it's stated, heater 300W and compressor 100W so I confuse. Btw, the sales person told me that it costs RM7 -RM8/month. Assuming RM8/month, does it mean it takes about 50Whr?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 03:18 PM
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Actually, 0.218 is accurate cause I never exceed the limit so far. And I noticed my TNB bill spike RM7-8 monthly because of this unit. RM 7-8 is a fair price to pay I would say.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 28 2015, 03:55 PM) 0.218 is just a basic calculation. More accurate is depend on your average usage yearly. Example my average is RM59.09 peryrs. Average is 0.24/kwh. But you cannot use my example. Cause your usage is probably lower or higher than me. You have to comeout your rate. Rm59.09 per year is too low no? Do you mean a month? Mine is .218 for sure. I was actually going for Coway basic ( http://www.coway.com.my/ProductDetails.aspx?PID=20) but I got my petit for a discounted price.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Apr 28 2015, 04:10 PM) The more appliances you have the more expensive you will be paying. If you are paying at 0.218, that mean you are using less than 200 units per month. I am impress how you can achieve this. Can you describe to me what appliances you have, and how long it run a day? The last I did help my friend calculate, his meter was tempered and he reported it back to TNB. Lucky enough he did not have to pay anything because he just got the house 2nd hand, and TNB when chase after the original owner  Well, the fully operational items are fridge, wifi, CCTV, water filter. The rest is lights, fans, 3 aircons, led tv (24hours/month), kitchen appliances. Oh, and Two water heaters. Everything is at minimum usage. No computers, hand phone and tablets all charged through solar. Now I want to see whether it's possible to run my 24/7 items through solar.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 28 2015, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 28 2015, 06:31 PM) under the SEDA's FIT system, all the electricity is sold to TNB. above RM1/kwh. Don't use it if you got FIT quota. Sell all to TNB. more worthwhile. you can try to install an off-grid system (generate for your own use) but generally not worth it. Msia electricity cheap. How to apply for FIT? What is the cost like? You using one?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 29 2015, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 28 2015, 08:31 PM) Thanks for the links. Will go through them. Are you using the system?
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 29 2015, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 29 2015, 07:48 PM) Yes, installed solar fit system. So what are the cost? What is the return? Where is you location? Would love to know more.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 30 2015, 08:09 AM
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Those running FIT shouldn't have a problem with running aircons
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 30 2015, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 30 2015, 08:47 AM) I don't understand. You said you use solar at night. So what solar that give out electricity at night? Is it somekind of new technology? I think he meant he using solar powered lights.
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noobiedonkey
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Apr 30 2015, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 30 2015, 11:05 AM) buy electricity from TNB (per unit) -> 22sen / kwh sell electricity to TNB (per unit - via FIT) -> more than RM1.00 / kwh for home use (incl air-con) buy from TNB lah. solar generation, all sell to TNB also. baru ada untung ! Oh, that I didn't know. So what are the numbers here? Capital for FIT? ROI?
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