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ozak
post Nov 21 2011, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(@jiman @ Nov 21 2011, 07:05 AM)
I really want to get more details on solar panel supplier

the one at homedec exb was only for water heater and the http://seda.gov.my/ website is kinda pain to understand :S
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Water heater don't use solar panel. It use solar heater.

Here the local solar panel supplier -> http://www.solarpower-mart.com/home , http://www.solarvoltaic.com/ , http://sol-malaysia.com/
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post Nov 21 2011, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(@jiman @ Nov 21 2011, 08:55 AM)
Im trying to go green.. maybe my first floor use solar panel to power up the light

and I wish i can power up the swimming pool motor using solar as well sad.gif
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As you know go green is not cheap. Unless you don't mind.

Consult this supplier -> http://www.solarpower-mart.com/home for more detail and see what is the cost.

The BIPV is not for your home powerup. It is like mini IPP that use your home space to generate power that sell to TNB. And your home still using TNB power like normal.
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post Nov 21 2011, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 04:49 PM)
you could use PV to generate electricity for your own use. the excess power generated could be sold to tnb when you have your PV system grid-connected. not necessary for your PV to generate and sell electricity to tnb only. that's the whole point of installing solar PV system in the first place; for your own consumption rather than relying 100% on power grid.
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Depend on you have enough budget to include the tnb side. If your usage per day is 5kw, would you get another 2kw or 5kw for tnb?

Note, 1kw probaly cost you rm13k - rm15k.

Bipv is about business selling power to tnb. Just like ipp. The selling price is higher than your buying price from tnb.
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post Nov 21 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 05:56 PM)
if you have got a huge area that is sufficient to generate substantial electricity and sell it to tnb for profit, then yes it's all about the selling business. the cost of 1kwp system like you mentioned will set you even RM15k-RM20k depending on the quality of the total solution. all this while there's no FiT being introduced locally and most likely it will only be implemented in 2012 (earlier they mentioned in Dec 2011 but there could be delay). so generally bipv wasn't here for users to make money out of it but rather for own consumption (for those with conscious mind on the environment) at a rather high capex. having said that, commercial/industrial users could also look into how this could help them reduce their electricity bills looking at the escalating cost and it will keep on increasing by at least 3.5% per annum (shared by CIO of TNB during a private discussion).  i'll be at the launching of SEDA office at putrajaya tomorrow and hopefully could get to find out more info on the national green initiative.
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It is not the space but the budget. Average terrace house roof can be over 4kw. The cost pv here have been drop. In 2010, the price drop to rm19k here.

With the high cost investment, I doubt everyone will have a environment conscious. A 4kw system can cost you rm60k. I even can't effort it. Not to say go green. Unless gov come out some special loan, subsidy etc.

Can get us some answer regarding the initial cost, how we can effort, what rate and ada contract or not. smile.gif
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post Nov 21 2011, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 21 2011, 11:27 PM)
You need to consider supporting the roof, and other factor too. Additional money. Average terrace may not fit in 4KW, it need to have proper wide space. If like my house stupid sime design with odd shape roof it will have poor coverage of sun ray.
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I have done some calculation on my roof and yes it can fit over 4kw. The best is your roof need to face either south or north. The pv can get max sun coverage.

It is not easy to get your pv fix on top of your roof. Most probaly will only allow you to choose a few authorize contractor to do and get the package.
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post Nov 22 2011, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 22 2011, 12:07 AM)
My roof got like 3 "A" shape, that make it only usable either in morning or afternoon. for roof support, it need some specialist to do it. When I ask my contractor to redesign my house roof, he don't want to redesign my roof, cause he say my roof too many "A", he advice me to get a proper roof specialist for design. And that cost me another sum yawn.gif

Wonder if the installation cost including the authorized roof contractor?
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What I read in the bipv project here that now running, there is some tnb approval contractor or pv company to do. Not any 1 contractor. They are specialist for this bipv project.

For your difficulty roof, hope they have some solution.


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post Nov 23 2011, 08:30 AM

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Hence, the FiT in Malaysia is not financed from tax revenue, instead, it will be financed by a Renewable Energy Fund which is contributed by the electricity consumers. The Government has decided electricity consumers will contribute 1% of the total electricity tariff bills issued by Tenaga Nasional Berhad to the RE Fund. Nonetheless, 75 % of the TNB’s customers who consume less than 300 kWh per month will be exempted from contributing to this Fund and the collection of 1% will be effective from 1st December 2011 onwards. I am in full support of this strategy because apart from getting the public/industries to participate and contribute to green energy development, it also promotes all parties to use energy efficiently to reduce their electricity consumption because heavy consumers of electricity would contribute more to the RE Fund.
This is the speech from Y. B. DATO SRI PETER CHIN FAHKUI MINISTER OF ENERGY, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND WATER AT
THE OFFICIAL LAUNCHING OF SEDA MALAYSIA’S OFFICE

So are we going to pay more if using more than 300kwh? Or 1% taken from the 300kwh bill which TNB is contribute not us? hmm.gif

At the moment we are paying if using 300kwh is 200kwh = 43.6
100kwh = 33.4
Total = RM77
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post Nov 23 2011, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 23 2011, 10:42 AM)
300Kwh only? that is pretty low right? How many A/C hours you run per day? and Water heater?

Still waiting for my running bill when i move in next month.
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I m around this 300kw range or lower. Each day about 9kw. With water heater almost everyday.

The over 300KWh charge addtional 1% will be effective on 1st coming dec. Already in news. So better save.


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post Nov 23 2011, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 23 2011, 11:03 AM)
Change the core lah.. Vote smile.gif
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Already done so last election. Because of this, I get free water from 2008 till now. smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2011, 07:18 PM

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But how you guys complain or don't like also no choice. Once your bill exceed 300kwh, they take 1% from your wallet.

Easy money and songlap.

I better control my usage.
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post Nov 24 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Nov 24 2011, 08:08 PM)
the most effi is change to LED lighting. that`s the new trend & seriously fast going. Forget about those compact fluorescent light, giant like china are changing phase.

For other cases; saving energy appliances are the key to more lower energy consumption. Other than that; good architecture design play a role too. icon_rolleyes.gif

For R.Energy Policy- Malaysia have alot room to clean n clear & make it more sustainable
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Led light not effective that much. And it is bottom at the power hunger list.

The most effective power saving is aircon, fridge, heater, cooker (electric) and any heating element. Try to find a way to save on this few item and you will be able to see your bill reduce a lot.

I once change a normal 1hp aircon to 1.5hp inveter aircon and able to save average 40% of my bill. Even the aircon hp is higher but still save better than 1hp.

I use a server to run 24hr rather pc. The server using 56w while pc anytime can up till 200w.
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 1 2011, 07:58 PM)
My case im arguing about is the general unnecessary heat generation especially in during nights & indoor lighting.
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Just switch OFF it loh if not in use. smile.gif

I still using CFL for all my home lighting. Simply because lux/watt and $$/watt is still better than LED. Unless LED price further down and longlife proven.

To save more, those area (backyard) which seldom use, I change to solar panel motion activate LED light. While car porch, only ON the light when I want to go to sleep. Just using solar LED light for the rest of the time. That won't increase the bill.
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Dec 1 2011, 09:15 PM)
just curious those solar panel motion activated led lights, the batt can manually change one ??

how the performance so far ?
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It using 3pcs AA rechargeable battery. Easy change. smile.gif

So far so good. Those stupid cat keep ON/OFF the light at night. mad.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 1 2011, 09:30 PM)
Fellow forumers, heard anything about personal income tax on the FiT income?
Pretty big hit if an individual is taxed AND the donkey CAPEX cannot be depreciated.

Copied and pasted from SEDA's website (http://seda.gov.my)
27. Is income from feed-in tariffs considered taxable income?
Yes, it is taxable income and any exemptions would require a policy decision from the Government. KeTTHA will monitor the progress of renewable energy growth in the country and conduct necessary analyses before putting forth any policy recommendations on this matter.
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Yes, already read. So just wait and see how the FIT going. No rush.

If the calculation not profitable or long ROI, forget it. Or just go for OFF grid.
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post Dec 7 2011, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 7 2011, 03:55 PM)
CAGR for the locked-in 21 years contract was looking real good (above 8%pa with cleaning cost and inverter replacement every 10 years) UNTIL i factored in the personal income tax. After factoring in the income tax of 26% yearly, the CAGR falls to between 4%+ to 6%+ depending on which vendors' system implemented.

Funny lor - individuals going solar cant write-off their Capital Exp / depreciate AND has to pay income tax on FiT income, double whammy.
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You think you can so easy earn gov money huh. tongue.gif

In others country, they have tax rebate, credit rebate etc. We here got to tax you somemore.
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post Dec 8 2011, 12:52 AM

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You got to shift your house to technology park or cyberjaya. Or stay at klcc.

Again you only have 5 yrs free tax.
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post Dec 8 2011, 11:26 AM

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According to seda news, many parties rush for this application. How true is it? Do they really do the calculation?


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Applicants rush for special solar PV tariff
 
PETALING JAYA, DECEMBER 2 (The Star) -- Within the first 24 hours of opening, applications for the special tariff allocation for almost all the capacity of solar photovoltaic (PV) renewable energy projects had been applied for.

According to Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia (Seda), applications for 140.6MW in cumulative installed capacity for solar energy had been received.

The quota for producing solar PV for non-individual applicants (including corporations) has been taken up for the next three years. It should be noted that these applications will be processed within 14 days by Seda and if there are unsuccessful applicants, their allocation may be up for grabs again. For individual applicants, another 11.41MW was available as of yesterday afternoon.

To recall, under the Renewable Energy Act 2011, Tenaga Nasional Bhd is obliged to buy renewable power produced by licensed players at special rates. The rates are known as the “feed-in-tariff” (FiT), and refer to the idea of producers selling their energy to the power grid.

In total, Seda received 168 applications wanting to secure the FiT through various forms of renewable technology, ranging from solar to biomass and biogas to mini-hydro. This was as at 1.45 pm yesterday.

Of the applications, 146 or 87% were from parties wanting to produce and sell solar power. There were six applications for biomass and eight each for biogas and mini-hydro.

The FiT will be awarded on a first-come, first-served basis, which explained the rush by renewable energy players in their applications.

When contacted, Energy, Green Technology and Water Minister Datuk Seri Peter Chin said as expected there was so much interest in solar PV that the quota was exhausted soon after with only a small portion left pertaining to small household connections.

“As regards to other renewable energy sources such as biomass, biogas and mini hydro, the response or demand has been rather quiet and parties who are interested should look into these areas and submit their bids online.

“Overall, the computer system seems to hold up quite well and there should not be any further problem. In any case, I visited Seda and was briefed by the chief executive officer who had been instructed to get as much feedback as possible and to fine-tune the system,” Chin said.
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post Dec 13 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(seetoh @ Dec 13 2011, 10:40 AM)
Really good info here. Real bummer on the tax rates. Just curious, who will be the suppliers for the panels and systems? Are these companies really capable?
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There is already fews supplier or contractor doing this solar panel or RE (renewable energy) in here for few yrs. Should be capable.

There either register or have license in this gov or SEDA. If you get approved installation from SEDA, you will recommend or must pickup from their contractor list.
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post Dec 13 2011, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(birain @ Dec 13 2011, 01:46 PM)
how about off-grid (own consumption)? anybody doing it? how much the costing for 1 double storey house? or maybe 1 medium size room (e.g powering 1 fan,1 light,1 desktop pc,etc)
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Forget it to power for the whole house. That can cost you a bomb. Check your montly usage Kwh at your bill. But if you have $$ to spend, why not. Just don't hope for a return.

I m planning some small solar project for my home at the moment. Off-grid. It is my interest and not hope for a return. Still checking the panel cost and see how cheap can bring in.
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post Dec 16 2011, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 16 2011, 04:25 PM)
ozak, try look into australia; currently they selling off their stock pile cos of solar rebate freeze & cancellation due to flip flop govt policy.
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Thanks. My friend did told me about Aus solar FIT tariff policy now when I visit there last few months. But if include shipping cost , will it cheaper than here?

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