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TSLowyat6283
post Sep 19 2011, 03:28 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hey Guys
I have a Waja 1.6, mitsubishi engine model 2005.
Today I was trying to check the fuse of headlamp but I took out the ECU fuse out by mistake, first the clock went 00:00 then the engine stopped working properly.
When the engine is idle, the RPM goes below 500 as much as the battery light goes on and the engine turns off!!! cry.gif
Before it never went below 500 and in idle mode it was something around 800.
Then I read about reseting the ECU, so I took out the ECU fuse again for a minute and then put it back, clock went on time but the engine problem is remained???!!!
Does anybody know how can I solve the problem???? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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post Sep 19 2011, 04:14 PM

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The ECU probably went back to default mode. Just give a little gas and drive normally for a few days.The ECU should relearn your driving style.
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post Sep 19 2011, 10:23 PM

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if not mistaken Waja need to be retune with the OBD-II scanner. just go to any workshop that have the scanner.
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post Sep 20 2011, 11:29 AM

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give it 3-4days max for the idle to reset itself, or else contact me and i'll recalibrate all the sensors again
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:35 PM

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Wait, waja mitsu engine or waja campro

waja mitsu is cable throttle, waja campro is drive-by-wire

big difference in problem and solution
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:04 PM

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written mitsu?
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Sep 20 2011, 09:04 AM)
written mitsu?
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ok missed that part.

then it's the throttle body, cable throttle is not affected by ECU.
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post Sep 20 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 20 2011, 03:29 PM)
ok missed that part.

then it's the throttle body, cable throttle is not affected by ECU.
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you sure? Then why is it that after i clean throttle bodies, rpm rises up to 1.5k eventhough I adjust to minimum idle valve opening and I have to reset the ecu to let it sit at 850rpm again and reopen the idle screw for a 4g18 engine?
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post Sep 20 2011, 05:46 PM

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i think ur throttle body.... u need clean the throttle body and u need to readjust ur ECU to adjust the throttle angle....
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post Sep 20 2011, 06:10 PM

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resetting ecu will not resort to adjusting of the throttle angle. That is tps related, mechanically done

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post Sep 20 2011, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Sep 20 2011, 11:40 AM)
you sure? Then why is it that after i clean throttle bodies, rpm rises up to 1.5k eventhough I adjust to minimum idle valve opening and I have to reset the ecu to let it sit at 850rpm again and reopen the idle screw for a 4g18 engine?
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Because the dirt clogged up the idling passages and some bright spark just decided to raise the min idle valve to compensate instead of properly cleaning the TB

then when you cleaned it of course the rpm is gonna jump because it's getting more than enough air
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post Sep 20 2011, 11:10 PM

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so it IS ecu related if it's some "bright spark"
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post Sep 21 2011, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Sep 20 2011, 05:10 PM)
so it IS ecu related if it's some "bright spark"
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my friend 'bright spark' is slang term for 'some smart guy'
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post Sep 21 2011, 08:28 PM

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so when i clean the tb, rpm rises. I close the idle valve to the minimum and it still idle at 1.2k - 1.3k rpm. I have to reset the ecu, reopen the valve at least 3quarter of a round and it falls to 850rpm.

Wheres the sense in that? Or what would YOU do if the car still idles that high after idle valve has been closed fully?

Bright spark.. now I get you. Be straight forward please wink.gif



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post Sep 21 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Sep 21 2011, 02:28 PM)
so when i clean the tb, rpm rises. I close the idle valve to the minimum and it still idle at 1.2k - 1.3k rpm. I have to reset the ecu, reopen the valve at least 3quarter of a round and it falls to 850rpm.

Wheres the sense in that? Or what would YOU do if the car still idles that high after idle valve has been closed fully?

Bright spark.. now I get you. Be straight forward please wink.gif
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you turn the wrong way ?

first you close didn't work then open only drop. maybe the screw also full of dirt
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post Sep 21 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(779364 @ Sep 19 2011, 04:14 PM)
The ECU probably went back to default mode. Just give a little gas and drive normally for a few days.The ECU should relearn your driving style.
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this.

happens to my mitsu waja several times, especially when removing the battery for prolonged time. just give it 2-3 days it should go back to normal
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post Sep 22 2011, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 21 2011, 09:25 PM)
you turn the wrong way ?

first you close didn't work then open only drop. maybe the screw also full of dirt
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do you think im stupid enough to turn clockwise to 'open it?'

I open it after resetting the ECU by plugging in the laptop, letting the ISC stepper motor sit properly, letting the ISC step down one by one down to 6-7steps from the 50steps after resetting the ecu. If it's fully closed, of course the car can idle but the ISC step has to compensate the opening idle valve in the throttle body and this my or may not lead to high fc and funny idling fluctuation when aircond and radiator fan is switched on or off. And YES, it is ECU related, not entirely mechanical. The car can idle if the idle valve is fully closed as the ISC motor below the waja throttle body opens at a high step to allow more air to bypass the butterfly and idle valve. By resetting the ecu, you will get to recalibrate the ISC valve and re-open the idle valve screw(yes, CLOCKWISE IS OPENING. Im being sarcastic).

so, you were saying?
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post Sep 22 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Sep 22 2011, 07:33 AM)
do you think im stupid enough to turn clockwise to 'open it?'

I open it after resetting the ECU by plugging in the laptop, letting the ISC stepper motor sit properly, letting the ISC step down one by one down to 6-7steps from the 50steps after resetting the ecu. If it's fully closed, of course the car can idle but the ISC step has to compensate the opening idle valve in the throttle body and this my or may not lead to high fc and funny idling fluctuation when aircond and radiator fan is switched on or off. And YES, it is ECU related, not entirely mechanical. The car can idle if the idle valve is fully closed as the ISC motor below the waja throttle body opens at a high step to allow more air to bypass the butterfly and idle valve. By resetting the ecu, you will get to recalibrate the ISC valve and re-open the idle valve screw(yes, CLOCKWISE IS OPENING. Im being sarcastic).

so, you were saying?
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your story changing like the wind, first is about idle screw, now there is stepper motor.

doubt you familiar with the correct sequence to adjust idling
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post Sep 22 2011, 03:37 PM

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they're all related. Since you doubt me, why dont YOU tell me your way?
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:20 PM

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Lols there is some misunderstanding here..... anyway Mitsu engine had diffrent method of idling system... if you know how to go to SAS mode and understand what is "9 Step" on the stepper motor... then u understand how the systems works...

Others method might also work... eg: adjust the air Valve during engine off condition... this is the way to cheat the ECU but yet it is not the best way because it might increases the Step.
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:08 PM

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so, steve. After cleaning throttle body, adjust idle valve to minimum and rpm still stays at 1.3k, what to do? Let him answer wink.gif. He thinks that ISC motor and the ECU has NO relations to the throttle body and idling.

Now we sit and wait
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:54 AM

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Thank all of you guys, I went to a workshop and they cleaned the throtle and changed the sparks, now the problem is solved.
But they didn't check the ECU, is it needed to scan it?
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post Sep 24 2011, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Lowyat6283 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:54 AM)
Thank all of you guys, I went to a workshop and they cleaned the throtle and changed the sparks, now the problem is solved.
But they didn't check the ECU, is it needed to scan it?
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IMO, no its does not need to be scanned/checked. you can join Lowyat Waja Club for more details. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 27 2011, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Lowyat6283 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:54 AM)
Thank all of you guys, I went to a workshop and they cleaned the throtle and changed the sparks, now the problem is solved.
But they didn't check the ECU, is it needed to scan it?
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Problem solved, why need to scan?...... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 14 2011, 04:03 PM

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I still dont know the answer and i want one since someone here is so smart, i want to learn. Tell me the right steps
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post Oct 16 2011, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Oct 14 2011, 10:03 AM)
I still dont know the answer and i want one since someone here is so smart, i want to learn. Tell me the right steps
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HAHAHAHA!!!

over 3 weeks ago and still siu hei

i know also i won't tell you lah dum dum

see your attitude and small gas hope your business fast fast go underwater
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post Oct 16 2011, 01:32 PM

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come on, tell me the right steps. I wanna learn. sharing is caring biggrin.gif
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post Oct 16 2011, 01:36 PM

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the maturity levels in this thread is taking a quick nose dive doh.gif
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post Oct 16 2011, 01:38 PM

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I forgot, business already DID slow down. Got my hands full a the moment and I had to slow down or the body can't take it no more smile.gif.

Come laaa, dun kedekit ilmu biggrin.gif. I sincerely wanna learn Jason/Quazacolt. Learning is a lifelong journey. You know me well, read my blog as I just updated yesterday
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post Oct 16 2011, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Oct 16 2011, 01:38 PM)
I forgot, business already DID slow down. Got my hands full a the moment and I had to slow down or the body can't take it no more smile.gif.

Come laaa, dun kedekit ilmu biggrin.gif. I sincerely wanna learn Jason/Quazacolt. Learning is a lifelong journey. You know me well, read my blog as I just updated yesterday
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its obvious he isnt teaching, and i would suggest that you just leave it at that. thread's issue is probably long resolved as i dont see the TS coming back for follow ups. this thread should be left to sink
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post Oct 16 2011, 01:44 PM

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one day when I threebond a waja and the idle screw is set to minimum and it still sits at 1.5k rpm, I'll call him ask him to reset for me. I'll pay him RM50 for his time it to teach me STEP BY STEP. Walk the talk
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post Oct 16 2011, 04:39 PM

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That is paying for lessons, already.....
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post Oct 16 2011, 05:45 PM

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Chill bro. Come lets go bising at Waja thread there very quiet. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 18 2011, 11:23 AM

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post Oct 18 2011, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Oct 18 2011, 11:23 AM)
We pay to learn if one is to stingy to teach for free.

The philosophy of a classroom may someday be a philosophy of a future
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For some if make money one then won't teach loh....... brows.gif

 

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