world number 1 zerg players, he must be real good

i am pretty sure he can pawn me anytime. even if i use terran. impressive

I don't want to participate in qq argument. If u want to continue to misunderstand and cont this useless argument pls continue to do so, alone. bye from this thread

have u ever finish watch the interview ?

and this thread is just for dicussion not flame war etc . why evey1 take like we are going to war. which i dont understand

This post has been edited by nagflar: Sep 21 2011, 09:40 PM

Thats the entire point

I am pretty sure he will win me if i play him, thats the reality and i am not afraid to admit it that he will win me using zerg even if i use terran.

GSL code S round of 16 OCT

got 10 terran , 5 zerg and 1 poor protos .

yeah the games so balanced now /

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 3 2011, 04:07 PM

korean terrans are just beastly good with their timings and abuses...
they are nt afraid to cheese when needed...
tat's how they should play as progamers...
and i can say most of the terrans there deserve their spot...

almost all my korean clan mates play terran, even the leader switched from protoss to terran..

sunginSPR?

i must type this in every game i fight versus terrans now

Protoss generally do need their tier 3 units (collosus) no matter it is terran, zerg or even protoss. I've seen a protoss who went collosus and nearly lose to mass roaches. I kinda forgotten who were the players but look it up. Collosus is almost a necessity, high templars are just a branch and an option of not going Collosus against Terran or Zerg.

You are talking about a 50 mineral worth of unit fighting against a 100 mineral worth of unit.

So, your point being?

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Generally, all of you should know that I am a protoss player and I don't find Terran OP. Most of us aren't in a position where balance should come into play, as it really still boils down to micro, macro, mechanics and understanding of the game. Sure, the code S GSL has more terrans, but are you trying to say that if the code S has more zerg, zerg is OP and protoss likewise? Generally, Terran do have some units that are really good like Marines but it really boils down to how you fight the Terran in the first place. A race being easier to play or requires less effort to be good at it doesn't make it OP. So what if Terran has the highest winning rate in pro tournaments? One race has to be the highest and that happens to be Terran. So should we just assume that the other 2 races are OP because the other 2 races are number 1?

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Here are a few things.

1. Marines aren't the hardest units to micro. In fact, there isn't one as all of these will be based on everyone's personal point of view. Some find forcefielding harder, some find marine split harder, some find etc etc. But overall, not many has ever proposed that marines are the hardest unit to micro.

2. Marines DO NEED TO BE MICROed. It's ridiculous to not needing to micro it, especially in the higher level of games, where marine splits against banelings and siege tank splash, multiple prompt drops, stutter stepping as well as dodging storm. Simply pressing 1, T, A and click to win the game just tells you that the terran's opponent is just a weak player. Only certain RARE situations in the pro games allow such happenings.

3. It's even worse saying that losing a few marines do not matter. Losing a few marines may mean a loss on the terran side if a timing push is to come (baneling bust, 2 Gate 1 Star, 4 gate, etc) It's actually even harder to lose 2 stalkers than 3 marines as stalkers are much faster. Why stalkers have weak DPS is due to the fact that they are very mobile, fast and have a good range, thus it is justified that it is weaker in terms of DPS. Other than that, their mobility, speed, range and tanking ability justifies their costs, except the 50 gas which I think should be lowered a little. If losing 3 marines do not matter, then what about 4 lings?

4. You gotta understand that Mules should be kept and not OP which is because of a few reasons
a. Protoss has an economical lboost through the chronoboost of probes.
b. Zerg has an economical boost through the amount of larvae (only applies when droning up)
c. Terran has got to have something, no?
Saying that Mules come for free is also wrong. Every race has an opportunity cost associated to their economic boost. Protoss doesn't get their chronoboost on their other facilities and Zerg doesn't get to produce any units. Terran on the other hand, loses a Scan, which is crucial in terms of scouting. Terran without scan is much harder to obtain information or scouting than a zerg.

My conclusion will be an easier to play race doesn't mean that it is OP. A race where you will win all the time regardless of the skills differential of your opponent and you makes it OP. This is in response to the NesTea's interview. Besides, I don't know why is everyone bombing Terran when Terran is constantly being nerved bad. Shouldn't the terran be the ones that are angry?

Patch 1.4.0 = Hellions Damage Nerved and Barracks build time increased. The HSM movement speed increase is kind of insignificant.
Patch 1.3.3 = Thor cooldown removed and energy is given to Thor. This to me sounds like a nerv due to the fact that now Feedback and EMP works on them. Bunker salvage decrease and the ghost price change is kind of insignificant.
Patch 1.3.0 = Battlecruiser speed increase and bunker build time increase is kind of insignificant. Ghost EMP only drains 100 energy now instead of all available energy and StimPack research time increased by 30 seconds. Huge nerv.
Patch 1.1.2 = Barracks need supply depot instead of CC to build. Reaper upgrade needs factory. (Completely shut down the possibility of super early reaper harrass play) and medivac speed and acceleration dropped badly.
Patch 1.1.0 = Siege tanks get the hugest nerv ever.

Blizzard is working on it to fulfill the players screech of Terran being OP. Blizzard heard you. So slow down and let Blizzard work on it.

This post has been edited by Home Made Cookies: Oct 9 2011, 01:07 AM

reason why mules are OP?
they allow the terran to all-in...
u can have chrono boost but u need resources to produce something to make use of that chrono...
u can have larvae, but what is larvae when u dun have resources to use the larvae...
not to mention we factor in supply requirements for production...
on the other hand, mules are free and they provide extra economy boost on equal base (assuming both players have saturation as no point to chrono probe, larvae drone when u are staturated)...
^ this is the reason why 1-1-1 is consider overpowered as protoss need to take expansion risk just to equal the economy gain (read gisado's analysis on this)
best of all, that mineral advantage is invested in marines which is ranged, doesnt cost gas and scale very well in numbers (and even more when u knw to micro them)...

u can complain about terran getting nerf but have u seen the amount of protoss nerf?
up to the point 2 ability was completely removed?

TvZ is totally disgusting to watch now at the hand of pros and recent pro interviews from redbull LAN event said tat ghost is just simply broken late game in TvP and TvZ...
i am not sure what league r u in but to say the ghost buff irrelevant?
that is one of the biggest buff a terran could hope for where the hype for mech+ghost was proven true...

final nail to the coffin would be the image below...
this show u how much protoss been getting owned with the continous nerf as opposed to terrans...

^ note: korean terrans are really good in abusing terrans as opposed to other servers thus u can see the high domination... look at the puma vs hero game (IPL3) which jz finished jz nw... u can see clear abuse especially for 1-1-1 despite how well hero played

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 9 2011, 03:28 AM

well there must be a reason why the Terran have high % win rate in the chart .

maybe terran is not op . but sure Terran is more power and strong than other race .

agree with u that the Terran is most easly race to play . need less time to master it compare to other race . That is What Nestea try to say to interview .

if Terran not op
why blizzard nerf Terran constantly? look at the GSL code S OCT . almost all zerg amd protos have hard time with terran ., only Neastea and Coca barely make it to round of 8.

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 9 2011, 11:59 AM

Why does Manchester United and Barcelona wins the title almost every year? even when they lose it, they retain it back pretty quickly, well there must be a reason why these two teams have high % win in the chart. maybe FIFA should nerf this two teams and impose some restrictions on their game, maybe they should only allow 10 players for these 2 teams to start

This post has been edited by FLampard: Oct 9 2011, 11:25 AM

do u know how to compare apple to apple ? sigh...

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 9 2011, 12:14 PM

good, an apple to an apple.

dont compare terran to protoss or terran to zerg then

This post has been edited by FLampard: Oct 26 2011, 07:21 PM

Well, just wanna ask u o check out the latest SEA battlenet invitation tournament, our region 2 top player is moonglade and jazbas n both of them are zergs anyway. and if u check out our region Grandmastr league top 10, most top 5 are zerg players, only 1 or 2 top terran player able to occupy highest is no 5-7 if im not mistaken.