Last season 17 terrans......NOw...

20 in GSL code S. Like everyone says....must be like the argument has been....most best players pic terran...
yeah keep saying that guys.



taken form
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topici...68&cid=0&kind=1

So let us disccus why got 20/32 terran in GSL OCT . that is abt 62.5%

boring Tvt . i think i will just skip buying oct season .

This post has been edited by nagflar: Sep 16 2011, 04:13 PM

Personally i think those good T's out there are mostly a solid player that does the same build again and again, like mmm and mms, but still they're a tough opponent, so what happens when they can master their race to the fullest? as to what i'm seeing now is already kinda op, good thing they nerf-ed the hellion, cause having that much speed, for 100 mineral, 2 shot, splash dmg, too imba for workers. Just take 1-1-1 for example, try being a toss, figuring he's gonna all in u at 5 minute mark, and try prepare for it, only by them doing mistakes can we win, cause the combination is imba. But I can't blame blizzard, i know they're still balancing the game, just know that the game isn't balanced yet.

u speak for all the protosses out there, the only hope for protoss in gsl is HuK, even MC now is in code A, sad day for protosses

Personally I find puzzle is the best Protoss in code S

Puzzle purposely picked himself against 3 terrans in group stage. he know what he is doing....

AND

now he is in the best school of terran in korea. he knows whats up.

just like coca's zvt,

polt said some terran able to in code S because they were only using terran~

Well, I guess people picking Terran because this race is so good. If you are playing for tournament money, you would want to increase your winning chance, right?

Protoss and Zerg are just not flexible compare to Terran.

if the game goes late game,place marines everywhere...

no wonder i've seen countless P & Z on my ladder nowadays...
all those top level players were mostly T,leaving P n Z to occupy the lower leagues...

one name: Heart of the Swarm

we'll see....we'll see....

David Kim: Sorry, zerg and protoss players, after a heavy consideration from our balance teams, we decided to cancel all HoTS and LoTV expansion production. It is mainly because this expansion is going to against out motto "Terran must not lose". I know some of our die-hard fans are not going to take this news happily, but there isn't much we can do with it. But fear not, for your compensation, we will release a new expansion game known as "Terran of Liberty 2.0". In this expansion, now Marine can use stim, and EMP, and the battlecruisers now shoot multiple lasers together with 8 interceptors at the same time. There is more, but I can't reveal much to you. Stay tune and see for yourself, cheers, our die-hard fans.

hope dont need to pay for WoL 2.0...

Lol!!! I like your findings! I also want to play Terran after wcg

guess its because terran = human and we all love to play our race.

same reason why in Wow human is the most commonly played race.


for me, i play terran because the i played the campaign first, multiplayer later, and the campaign is mainly about terran so once i picked it up i also lazy to go and learn other race esp zerg, which is so difficult to master.

i believe a lot of ppl out there has the same reason with me.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 18 2011, 12:54 AM

marrin easy micro make terran more op. basicly dont need click anything just let it auto shoot. drop ship auto heal . why the Zerg queen can not do any auto heal ??
if same skill of player against each other terran mostly win . i sick of this game .

gg

This post has been edited by nagflar: Sep 20 2011, 09:48 AM

haha.....wat made you think marine is easy to micro. its easily one of the hardest unit to micro in the game. but certainly the unit that exploits micro the most. the btr you can micro, the more the unit worth without ceiling.

most of the low level terran cant even stutter step lol, always spam click too much until cant even shoot properly.

thats call pro~ not even top player can stop their own marines from dealing dmg but lower leaguer can make their marine dance(stutter step hyper mode not /dance) infront ur enemy without dealing dmg

Wow...that's a lie. I don't even main Terran and don't know to use stutter steps and I still can kill a bunch of zealots effortless in the early game with marines. Face it, Terran is a complete race and it is powerful. Don't try to hide the fact, so that you can go around and telling others that "we are skillful/1337 because we are playing the most micro intensive/hardest race, Terran", which it is completely false.

Also,

http://youtu.be/bNph9C5NIDk



Even the Terran pros believe that Terran is powerful.

This post has been edited by kding2: Sep 21 2011, 12:26 PM

how come no terran player come in and comment ?

they don't wanna get ban hammered by us qq'ers.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Sep 21 2011, 01:44 PM

because they enjoying protoss tears

tired of qq argument d.

Well I would say marine micro skill can easily u win or lose that match. poor micro and slower split means whole squad of marine will die to baneling and watch muta RAPE scv n tanks. (Muta is gay). Toss never understand this kind of feeling with FF n blink on their hand. It use to be the major factor too for TvT but since mech play popularize, the importance of marine simply disappear in TvT after 6~7 minutes mark.

This post has been edited by jeffvip: Sep 21 2011, 02:17 PM

bcoz u all enjoy too much toss tears till didnt bother us anymore~

how come you dont read properly other ppl's comments

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 21 2011, 06:26 PM

aiyoo i not here looking for fight/flame war la. just want to know why only .

This post has been edited by nagflar: Sep 21 2011, 06:40 PM

You forgot to add this meme.

quest jeff me all terran player that comment in this thread

If you think calling others QQ made you smarter or better person, how about you give a try on Protoss? Let say, 100 games? I dare you won't say this once you played the Protoss enough. Whether it is PvP, PvT, PvZ, one mistake, the protoss is pretty much GG. Unlike Terran, Protoss is not forgiving at all. Every units that Protoss has make a huge difference between life and death.

Losing 5 marines in the early game, so what? Losing 2 stalkers in the early game, OH MY GOD..I am SCREWED. Also, a bad FF placement cost Protoss the whole game. There is not such thing like " I just lost 10 workers, I'm behind" for Terran case. MULE solved Terran's economic crisis.

Also, if Protoss committed too many sentries for FF, Protoss will has smaller amount of stalkers. Keep that in your mind. Sentries is not cheap by all means.

This post has been edited by kding2: Sep 21 2011, 07:00 PM

thats why i dun like to comment on qq thread nowadays. we r talking bout micro, micro. dun bring protoss qq here again plz

lol, i play protoss too, i was a terran only till now slowly transitioning into random player. my protoss is the noobest so maybe i still not skillful enuf to understand ur arguement. but certainly not as bad as BSG lvl if need master lvl only can comment then i lo

i was just saying marine with micro, their value will shoot up exponentially.

jeffvip and quest_5692,

Marine is the most cost-efficient units in the whole Sc2. Stop pretending that this unit is weak without micro, which they are not. Of course, they become more powerful with decent micro, and deadly with superb micro.

Hardest units to micro? Yeah right. Try zealot or zergling.

did i say they are weak without micro? i say they are more powerful with micro.

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Added on September 21, 2011, 9:16 pmand they are stupid in the hand of stupid micro. (fail stutter step)

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Sep 21 2011, 09:16 PM

for those Terran player still not agree that terran unit is op . please go try use protos and zerg and play . and you will undertand why we 'non terran' player is complaning here .

u wont feel it until u really use it .

yeah, you didn't say they are weak without micro, but you said they are hardest units to micro.

stupid micro marine still owning a lot of things.

This post has been edited by kding2: Sep 21 2011, 09:26 PM

i play terran but i lose to zerg and protos, by then i dun think i need to use protos and zerg to try anymore.



one colo or infestor come...all dead...

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 21 2011, 09:27 PM

You should try protoss and zerg, and you will find yourself is losing more.



Sure, Tier 3 is needed against the mighty Terran marines (tier 1). I think you are on to something here.

This post has been edited by kding2: Sep 21 2011, 09:30 PM

should i state that i play zerg more than terran too?


owh i apologize for my stupidity then, u mad? i should take back the word they are the hardest unit to micro.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: Sep 21 2011, 09:28 PM

actually when i start picking up any new races i also lose more one, same with terran also. i think my first 10 games with terran is pure lose streak, leave alone protoss or zerg.

No no...I am not mad, i just disappointed. How about you? Are you mad?

no need tier 3, if marines are so powerful, how about 1 marine vs 1 zealot? see who wins

This post has been edited by FLampard: Sep 21 2011, 09:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkaAGnCfWVE

try watch this interview from the world no1 zerg player.

litsen to the part abt his view abt 3 race .

ty

world number 1 zerg players, he must be real good

i am pretty sure he can pawn me anytime. even if i use terran. impressive

I don't want to participate in qq argument. If u want to continue to misunderstand and cont this useless argument pls continue to do so, alone. bye from this thread

have u ever finish watch the interview ?

and this thread is just for dicussion not flame war etc . why evey1 take like we are going to war. which i dont understand

This post has been edited by nagflar: Sep 21 2011, 09:40 PM

Thats the entire point

I am pretty sure he will win me if i play him, thats the reality and i am not afraid to admit it that he will win me using zerg even if i use terran.

GSL code S round of 16 OCT

got 10 terran , 5 zerg and 1 poor protos .

yeah the games so balanced now /

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 3 2011, 04:07 PM

korean terrans are just beastly good with their timings and abuses...
they are nt afraid to cheese when needed...
tat's how they should play as progamers...
and i can say most of the terrans there deserve their spot...

almost all my korean clan mates play terran, even the leader switched from protoss to terran..

sunginSPR?

i must type this in every game i fight versus terrans now

Protoss generally do need their tier 3 units (collosus) no matter it is terran, zerg or even protoss. I've seen a protoss who went collosus and nearly lose to mass roaches. I kinda forgotten who were the players but look it up. Collosus is almost a necessity, high templars are just a branch and an option of not going Collosus against Terran or Zerg.

You are talking about a 50 mineral worth of unit fighting against a 100 mineral worth of unit.

So, your point being?

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Generally, all of you should know that I am a protoss player and I don't find Terran OP. Most of us aren't in a position where balance should come into play, as it really still boils down to micro, macro, mechanics and understanding of the game. Sure, the code S GSL has more terrans, but are you trying to say that if the code S has more zerg, zerg is OP and protoss likewise? Generally, Terran do have some units that are really good like Marines but it really boils down to how you fight the Terran in the first place. A race being easier to play or requires less effort to be good at it doesn't make it OP. So what if Terran has the highest winning rate in pro tournaments? One race has to be the highest and that happens to be Terran. So should we just assume that the other 2 races are OP because the other 2 races are number 1?

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Here are a few things.

1. Marines aren't the hardest units to micro. In fact, there isn't one as all of these will be based on everyone's personal point of view. Some find forcefielding harder, some find marine split harder, some find etc etc. But overall, not many has ever proposed that marines are the hardest unit to micro.

2. Marines DO NEED TO BE MICROed. It's ridiculous to not needing to micro it, especially in the higher level of games, where marine splits against banelings and siege tank splash, multiple prompt drops, stutter stepping as well as dodging storm. Simply pressing 1, T, A and click to win the game just tells you that the terran's opponent is just a weak player. Only certain RARE situations in the pro games allow such happenings.

3. It's even worse saying that losing a few marines do not matter. Losing a few marines may mean a loss on the terran side if a timing push is to come (baneling bust, 2 Gate 1 Star, 4 gate, etc) It's actually even harder to lose 2 stalkers than 3 marines as stalkers are much faster. Why stalkers have weak DPS is due to the fact that they are very mobile, fast and have a good range, thus it is justified that it is weaker in terms of DPS. Other than that, their mobility, speed, range and tanking ability justifies their costs, except the 50 gas which I think should be lowered a little. If losing 3 marines do not matter, then what about 4 lings?

4. You gotta understand that Mules should be kept and not OP which is because of a few reasons
a. Protoss has an economical lboost through the chronoboost of probes.
b. Zerg has an economical boost through the amount of larvae (only applies when droning up)
c. Terran has got to have something, no?
Saying that Mules come for free is also wrong. Every race has an opportunity cost associated to their economic boost. Protoss doesn't get their chronoboost on their other facilities and Zerg doesn't get to produce any units. Terran on the other hand, loses a Scan, which is crucial in terms of scouting. Terran without scan is much harder to obtain information or scouting than a zerg.

My conclusion will be an easier to play race doesn't mean that it is OP. A race where you will win all the time regardless of the skills differential of your opponent and you makes it OP. This is in response to the NesTea's interview. Besides, I don't know why is everyone bombing Terran when Terran is constantly being nerved bad. Shouldn't the terran be the ones that are angry?

Patch 1.4.0 = Hellions Damage Nerved and Barracks build time increased. The HSM movement speed increase is kind of insignificant.
Patch 1.3.3 = Thor cooldown removed and energy is given to Thor. This to me sounds like a nerv due to the fact that now Feedback and EMP works on them. Bunker salvage decrease and the ghost price change is kind of insignificant.
Patch 1.3.0 = Battlecruiser speed increase and bunker build time increase is kind of insignificant. Ghost EMP only drains 100 energy now instead of all available energy and StimPack research time increased by 30 seconds. Huge nerv.
Patch 1.1.2 = Barracks need supply depot instead of CC to build. Reaper upgrade needs factory. (Completely shut down the possibility of super early reaper harrass play) and medivac speed and acceleration dropped badly.
Patch 1.1.0 = Siege tanks get the hugest nerv ever.

Blizzard is working on it to fulfill the players screech of Terran being OP. Blizzard heard you. So slow down and let Blizzard work on it.

This post has been edited by Home Made Cookies: Oct 9 2011, 01:07 AM

reason why mules are OP?
they allow the terran to all-in...
u can have chrono boost but u need resources to produce something to make use of that chrono...
u can have larvae, but what is larvae when u dun have resources to use the larvae...
not to mention we factor in supply requirements for production...
on the other hand, mules are free and they provide extra economy boost on equal base (assuming both players have saturation as no point to chrono probe, larvae drone when u are staturated)...
^ this is the reason why 1-1-1 is consider overpowered as protoss need to take expansion risk just to equal the economy gain (read gisado's analysis on this)
best of all, that mineral advantage is invested in marines which is ranged, doesnt cost gas and scale very well in numbers (and even more when u knw to micro them)...

u can complain about terran getting nerf but have u seen the amount of protoss nerf?
up to the point 2 ability was completely removed?

TvZ is totally disgusting to watch now at the hand of pros and recent pro interviews from redbull LAN event said tat ghost is just simply broken late game in TvP and TvZ...
i am not sure what league r u in but to say the ghost buff irrelevant?
that is one of the biggest buff a terran could hope for where the hype for mech+ghost was proven true...

final nail to the coffin would be the image below...
this show u how much protoss been getting owned with the continous nerf as opposed to terrans...

^ note: korean terrans are really good in abusing terrans as opposed to other servers thus u can see the high domination... look at the puma vs hero game (IPL3) which jz finished jz nw... u can see clear abuse especially for 1-1-1 despite how well hero played

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 9 2011, 03:28 AM

well there must be a reason why the Terran have high % win rate in the chart .

maybe terran is not op . but sure Terran is more power and strong than other race .

agree with u that the Terran is most easly race to play . need less time to master it compare to other race . That is What Nestea try to say to interview .

if Terran not op
why blizzard nerf Terran constantly? look at the GSL code S OCT . almost all zerg amd protos have hard time with terran ., only Neastea and Coca barely make it to round of 8.

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 9 2011, 11:59 AM

Why does Manchester United and Barcelona wins the title almost every year? even when they lose it, they retain it back pretty quickly, well there must be a reason why these two teams have high % win in the chart. maybe FIFA should nerf this two teams and impose some restrictions on their game, maybe they should only allow 10 players for these 2 teams to start

This post has been edited by FLampard: Oct 9 2011, 11:25 AM

do u know how to compare apple to apple ? sigh...

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 9 2011, 12:14 PM

good, an apple to an apple.

dont compare terran to protoss or terran to zerg then

This post has been edited by FLampard: Oct 26 2011, 07:21 PM

Well, just wanna ask u o check out the latest SEA battlenet invitation tournament, our region 2 top player is moonglade and jazbas n both of them are zergs anyway. and if u check out our region Grandmastr league top 10, most top 5 are zerg players, only 1 or 2 top terran player able to occupy highest is no 5-7 if im not mistaken.