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English Clubs Chelsea FC - Blue Through and Through!, League Cup: Chelsea 0 - 2 Liverpool

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Nitheon
post Sep 14 2011, 10:02 PM

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Ideal line up for this Sunday:

Cech

Ivanovic, Luiz, Terry, Cole

Ramires, Meireles, Mata

Anelka, Torres/Lukaku, Sturridge
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post Sep 18 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(choy89 @ Sep 18 2011, 11:10 AM)
Keep The Blue Flag Fly High
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Keep The Blue Flag FlyING High.
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post Sep 19 2011, 12:18 AM

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The whole team is clueless. Midfield used to be the problem area. Now without a doubt it's the defence too.

At least this trashing will scare Abramovich into spending some money in January. Too bad that after today, Modric will cost upwards of £50m.

All in all, a very bad day for Chelsea.
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post Sep 19 2011, 12:28 AM

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There's a distinction between real fans and delusional fans. Real fans can criticize the team yet still support them wholeheartedly. Delusional fans only want to talk about the positives and chastise any negative observations about the team.

A fake fan is a gloryhunter who associates success with support.

Just because some of us slate the team, doesn't mean we don't back them loyally.

On a side note, the team's finishing is horrendous today. It doesn't matter how many chances we create if we don't score. The only thing that matters is the final result.

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post Sep 19 2011, 12:29 AM

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Could Torres' improved form be ascribed to his blonder hair?

Hahaha.
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post Sep 19 2011, 01:23 AM

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I hope THAT miss won't set Torres' confidence back. To be fair, he was brilliant today but his performance will no doubt be overshadowed by that glaring gaffe.

In terms of tactics, it's clear we badly need a playmaker to take over Lampard's position. Once Mata dropped to Lampard's spot and Anelka went on as left forward, we looked much better. Until January at least, we'll have to get by with Lampard or hopefully McEachran.
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post Sep 19 2011, 03:00 AM

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Let's cool all talk of Torres being back as well as criticism for the miss. What's done is done. In the next few games, we'll see what Torres is made of.

Today we witnessed the old Torres and the Torres of late. Let's hope we see more of the former after this.


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post Sep 21 2011, 11:22 PM

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I think the excuse of video technology "breaking the tempo of the game" is the biggest BS I've ever heard. The amount of time a replay would take is definitely less than the time players will spend protesting the decision with the referee.

So yes, I agree that it's more the cost of such technology being implemented and the drama it is able to induce which is why video tech is still not used.
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:48 AM

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The team's poor finishing is slowly becoming a concern.

Malouda and Kalou were probably thinking this is one of their few chances to impress the boss but their selfish play probably did more detriment than good.

Too bad about Alex's sending off, otherwise McEachran would've had more playing time and Drogba would've come on in the second half.

Good thing we won today, otherwise AVB would have nowhere to show his face after making that statement on youth policy in the Carling Cup.
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:24 PM

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Anyone know a good streaming site to watch the match at later?

Thank you.
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(volrath @ Sep 24 2011, 08:35 PM)
Much obliged!
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post Sep 24 2011, 10:57 PM

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What was Torres even doing diving into that tackle anyway? Slim chance he'll get it reduced since it was so blatant.

Such a shame, since he could've scored more today. Really needed him in the next three matches. Especially against our bogey team, Everton.

Just like the United game, it's one step forward, two steps back for Torres.

Drogba will be back thankfully. But what's scary is AVB might throw Kalouda back in the fray since Drogba is comfortable with them.
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post Sep 24 2011, 11:38 PM

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Mata is off because he already was on a yellow. Safer to take him off than risk another red card. Also, the game's quite secure now.

Good reaction from Ramires after being slated for his performance in the United game.

Torres will miss the next three matches. Appeal would be unlikely since the tackle was very mistimed and dangerous.


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post Sep 24 2011, 11:54 PM

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Malouda just assisted for Drogba (so much time to turn and shoot). Love the goal but afraid this could be a sign of things to come.

Also, with Anelka at this age and probably leaving in the summer, we only have Mata to too provide Torres with through balls. Worried!
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post Sep 29 2011, 04:50 AM

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We still lack strength in depth. So much so that we still have to "rely" on useless rubbish like Kalouda.

First major gaffe of AVB's reign. He better learn that it's never a good time to play Kalouda.
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post Oct 3 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(hidzwan @ Oct 2 2011, 10:35 PM)
is it just me or lampard is more in advance role w/out torres?

and mata look below par w/out torres too.

and chelsea look more slow in tempo w/out torres.

and drogba seems lacking in sharpness.

unlucky for bolton. the result was quite flatter for chelsea.
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I think that's a conundrum that will be solved in time. Lampard (because he takes up the striker's space in the box) can't function effectively with Torres around and the tempo slows down too.

Against teams like Bolton, we'll do fine. But if we were playing a fast paced, pass and move side like Barca, I wouldn't play Lampard.

We would need more verve, more dynamism. Mata alone isn't enough.
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post Nov 9 2011, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(HumbleCMY @ Nov 8 2011, 05:24 PM)
Torres not sharp enough only now, prior to his fluffed chance, he could had set up Sturridge perfectly, hopefully he gains back his sharpness after this break. smile.gif
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I think Torres is a confidence player. Much like people who function on adrenaline, Torres' confidence has to be high to play well.

In short, the more he misses chances, the worse he plays.
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post Nov 22 2011, 12:23 PM

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I think the team is crumbling because of the gradual collapse in defensive solidity. Not so long ago, we used to be able to depend on astute defensive organization, timely interventions and instinctive positioning.

It's obvious JT and Cole have deteriorated tremendously. Luiz doesn't know the basics of defending (I'm surprised how his reputation has got him this far). Alex is slow but dependable, however he's aging. Ivanovic is reliable too but his form fluctuates with the rest of the defence. The less said about Bosingwa the better. Ferreira isn't even a consideration anymore. Cech gets beaten way too easily these days.

So what do we have? A porous defence that's slow and prone to calamity. We need to accelerate the progress of Bertrand and Bruma or buy new defenders. Gary Cahill isn't the answer either. Looks like a B-grade version of JT and just as slow.

Assuming we played a 4-2-3-1, we need a real defensive midfielder and deep lying playmaker. Mikel won't cut it. Romeu is still developing. Lampard, Meireles and Ramires don't fit the mould either. Ideally, someone like Modric and a Khedira/Busquets type would do the job.

Torres is the only real choice we have for a front man. The three behind him? Mata. The best player we have by far. But he can't do it alone. Sturridge scores goals but always seems to be playing a different game than the rest of the team. Mata should play through the centre. So that leaves the left wing/forward empty.

Frankly, I'd only keep Mata, Ramires, Ivanovic and Sturridge for their relatively young ages and potential. The rest of the team is a lost cause.

I'd especially like to see Anelka, Malouda, Kalou, Mikel, Drogba, Bosingwa, JT, Cashley, Luiz out of the team. No room for sentiment here.

We may be Chelsea fans for life but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the team.

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post Nov 23 2011, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(chitchat @ Nov 22 2011, 05:46 PM)
Seem like playing FM2012. Be realistic, the first requirement for hiring a new manager is able to work with the current squad. Even AVB is hired to change CHELSEA style of play, he still need to work with the current player and at least meet the minimum requirement, finishing top 4 at least. Selling all the player and buy player that suit his style immediately is just wishful thinking. AVB need to work with what he got and start showing progress.

Cashley ? CHELSEA fans for life ? you must be joking  doh.gif more like an ex-ARSENAL fans to me.
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Isn't everyone playing some form of fantasy football or Football Manager here with talk of formations and whatnot?

Don't be so holier-than-thou. It's just a nickname Ashley Cole has. He's been a great player for us in the past but I hardly think he's beyond reproach.

How do you change style of play when the players are too old and out of form to adapt? Eventually players AGE, you know. You think the current squad are going to be forever young? What I'm talking about is what I think should be done moving forward.

If you want to be naive and a Mourinho-loyalist, that's your call. But the way we're playing, I don't think we'll even make the Top 5.

Of course AVB has to do his best with the current squad. There isn't much choice left is there, genius? What about moving forward?

But what do I know? I'm sure people like you think the current squad is good enough to win all the trophies and play into their 50s.

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post Nov 23 2011, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(chitchat @ Nov 23 2011, 07:19 PM)
Only butt hurt ARSENAL fans will call him that. His move to CHELSEA prove to be a correct choice, winning trophies and he have been one of our most consistent performance for many season and the best LB in EPL. Calling nickname is fine, but an insulting nickname at our own player ? i cant remember any CHELSEA fans ever call him that here or even think about him that way. Is like giving u a "nincompoop" nickname, if u feel that is fine then i rest my case.

Forward thinking ? i say be REALISTIC, they only way we can finish top 4, is AVB make the best out of our current player even if he need to alter his style or philosophy. Is just fantasy football if u can sell him, sell that, buy him, buy that. There is no future, if he was sack even before JANUARY transfer. I always said the players good or not is not determine by his age, if u want to criticize a player, please base on his performance, not age, not price tag, not past glory. If LAMPARD is not playing well, then bench him, he is not playing well not solely because he is old, now he is back banging goal for us. Just like someone mention, ZANETTI, even GIGGS, they are 36-38 ? but still winning major trophies. Football is not 100m sprint, is not just physical ability, throw 18 years old JOSH in for starting 11, but does he bang goal like 33 years old LAMPARD ? But of course everyone here wish that our youngster get more game time but looking at our current standing is not really possible, maybe a minute here and there if we are winning by few goals margin.

Every time is about sell him because he is old, sell him because he dont play like MESSI, buy this, buy that, buy a team of MESSI. Is like u are given a manager job at a company, u accepting it knowing what is the job scope and environment like, but then when things go wrong, u tell ur boss, i cant work with this, i need to change everything to my preference, all staff has to suit me or i fire all of them and hire new one to my liking.
What are you talking about?

Everyone knows that AVB has to get the best out of the current squad since he can only make a move for reinforcements in January. We don't need YOU to tell us that. So you're saying we shouldn't get anyone in January or May because you feel it's fantasy football? Grow up.

How long do you think the team can sustain itself with this batch of players? It's not AVB's fault alone that the team isn't performing. You can't get a Proton to win an F1 race. Neither can you get slow, aging players to adapt to a new system and rely on them in the long term.

I'm talking about the future. You're talking platitudes which everyone knows about.

All of the players I have mentioned deserve to be out of the team based on CURRENT form. Terry and Cole have been culpable for many conceded goals this season. Mikel is limited and lacks dynamism. Kalou, Malouda and Anelka only perform effectively on a sporadic basis. Lampard is the only one from the old spine of the team who is justifying his place so far. And if it wasn't for goals, I don't see what else he brings to the team.

No need to mention Messi. Messi performs well for Barca because they play as a team, as opposed to Argentina. Do you see the current Chelsea First 11 functioning as a team? The defence is a shambles. Midfield lacks creativity or drive. Strikers are deprived of a supply line.

Chelsea haven't performed as a team this season because too many individuals are playing for themselves. If they can't or won't adapt to the new system or philosophy, they have to go. Like it or not, AVB is going to be the future of the club for the foreseeable future. And I'd like to stress here that my allegiance is to the club and not the players. Players come and go. Just like this analogy you are fond of using, if an employee can't adapt to his company's new direction and requirements, he has to go. The company will find replacements. Employees move on. Organizations remain.

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