QUOTE(gark @ Jun 7 2013, 11:18 PM)
Tell that at the gold investment thread, you will be shot upside down.
But i agree useless yellow metal.........
gold bug will tell you it is the only "real money" But i agree useless yellow metal.........
US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter
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Jun 11 2013, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 11 2013, 10:08 PM) I was wondering. If QE exits, are those money invested around the world, especially emerging markets, will fly back to US? If that's the case, isn't Dow suppose to be bullish? Well they might be worrying on growth sustainability without QE. People always worry on things. That is already happened. Look at USD vs other currency ( with China exception). Stock index especially ASX , and Nikkei been dropping quite a lot lately. So some profit taking from table already happened few weeks ago.I read a news somewhere Chinese Government start doing investment in US real estate ( The way how japan did it in late 1970's to early 1980's ).Maybe many of them re-enter real estate market? or just sitting their cash in bank? |
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Jun 11 2013, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 11 2013, 10:35 PM) if they start buying real estate, i guess sign of recovery is quite intact. I dunno man. bull all the way til year end? The recovery really quite intact in US, but in China and Japan...the opposite happened. The economic well-being made by US will always cost something to other big economies such as Japan and China. This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Jun 11 2013, 10:46 PM |
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Jun 11 2013, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 11 2013, 11:03 PM) I'm not sure about Japan. But I do not worry on China though. It's slowing down for sure, but in a good way so far. Consumers spending is still intact, that's an important sign of stability for its transformation from export to internal demand economy. Anyhow, I know it's still too early to make conclusion now. The real problem is in banking sector and manufacturing sector of China.The rising of chinese yuan recently kinda "forced" by USD rising indirectly causing a lot of manufacturing sector in really bad condition with their previous tiny profit margin. Most of the money by these entrepreneur flee away from real economic activity to unproductive economy such as goreng real estate market & etc. The local government in China had trouble to repay their money to banks institution in China, the only solution is to "borrow more to pay existing debt" method. In US, totally opposite is happening, banking sector recovering while unemployment start going down. So it is not surprising the major trend will continue for another 2 year - 4 years ( with some minor correction in between, OK I am not trying to timing here , just my noobie guess). Actually I still dunno why people claim that US index in all high time bla bla bla, super overvalued compared to our market and some compare the index to gold price. In fact the overall market in just in P/E 10 - 11 though I know P/E is not a good indicator. This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Jun 11 2013, 11:19 PM |
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Jun 12 2013, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 11 2013, 11:34 PM) IMO, the rising Yuan is so meager, it actually hasn't cause exports to diminish that much. But, the austerity measure in Europe is the major cause for the past few quarters, that China is seeing the declining exports to them, furthermore, China now is being put on the "extra' tariff by EU because they're dumping their goods. China got themselves to blame, they were clearly warned yet their State sponsored companies continue to get large substantial amount of subsidies to overproduce those solar panels. For me, they are having trade wars now without a doubt.Some of the China bulls were harping the 'bubble' isn't there but merely going to be tapered off with more restrictive lending by the govt and their govt wants a 'soft' landing. But, their financial market is in a death spiral for the past 3 years. Maybe there is a huge disconnect, maybe not but we all know we can't trust the financial statements published by the China-based companies in China because their 'dual' accounting reports. If there is indeed a bubble, eventually, it will correct itself with a blow up.. it's about time the real estate there go kaboom with those ridiculous inflated prices. The sponsor issue may not as simple as it seems. It is all about you know how to play the law. In US/ Europe, a lot of subsidy by US goverment in XYZ industry . Though China deserved to get the penalty, but for me doesn't mean the US/Europe doesn't subsidy in certain industry with is unfair to global trading too. That's why trade war is happening since 2-3 years ago, everyone complaining to WTO, keep find another country's evidence of unfair global trading etc. China is still up to level in this "game", and end up got the penalty. The restrictive of lending and raising interest rate only can cooling down a bit but not deflate the price of Real Estate. Manufacturing sectors / entrepreneurs are experiencing very difficult period at the moment. Plus, some of the extra penalty from US, if we talking about solar panels industry in particular, the almost 70% of the solar panels related forced to closed down. It seems like the next country will be in trouble is either in Japan / China / Europe. Yes the accounting reports/ statements heavily manipulated even those listed in H shares. Close to 90% of my portfolio are holding these Chinese Banks even though I knew what's wrong with their financial report. Instead of Kaboom, my prediction that Chinese market will go at least another 3-5 years with this situation. the shape is like U shape..long recovery..... Unlike in US, We experienced a V shaped/ W shaped recovery. Normally Kaboom will happen only if almost everyone didn't expecting crash will be coming, instead now a lot of Big Boys firm like goldman sachs etc short heavily in Chinese stocks / Asian Stocks, the chinese market is already close to 5 years lowest. Maybe I am too optimistic here This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Jun 12 2013, 06:26 PM |
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Jun 12 2013, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 12 2013, 07:01 PM) Waah.. you're playing very dangerous game. That's too much in one sector alone. Thanks for your advice man. But I insist my decision. Very stubborn For me, I don't buy and hold Chinese related stocks anymore.. all of them usually trade (usually short side) and go and most of them have either have low PE or extremely high PE. No middle ground. |
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 12 2013, 08:13 PM) Whatever you do, better watch your portfolio carefully. Chinese stocks taken to the cleaners very easily even for those big name ones like BIDU, DANG, RENN or SINA. Either they stay flat or down almost 50% for the past 12-24 months. The small caps ones can go to zero or get de-listed easily. A lot of them did because they fail to report their earnings timely and then suddenly we hear of accounting fraud. What a scam.. how did those pirates get listed in the first place? The underwriters sure knew something is wrong. But maybe they want to goreng by shorting all these stocks when the timing is right |
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Jun 12 2013, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 12 2013, 09:19 PM) True. Transparency is still the biggest issue on China stocks. Actually I think this time not bad to enter la. However, read some recent news saying some foreign funds start accumulating China stocks. I also been started accumulating some stocks recently, with the hope that China has been on progress to correct those financial mistakes (transparency, systematic etc). But I also worry it may still too early to enter at this moment. Still long way to go, the foundation of financial market is still very weak. probably lag behind US for almost 30-40 years in terms of overall such as protecting retail investor etc.. |
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 15 2013, 10:23 AM) Yes.. . but have you notice that Brent Oil price coming down but WTI Oil going up these past few months? Is the spread between Brent Oil and WTI oil do indicates something? The spread is narrowing finally, sooner or later, they may cross each other. This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Jun 15 2013, 02:49 PM |
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 18 2013, 11:34 PM) Is it cautious? But I see green. And gold down even. Seems like you didn't holding much stock currently? 70% ++ in cash position?In local Bursa today, I see strong support and buyers. My wish for that big fat bear may not appear. I am sure correction will be coming soon, Even bull need to take some rests for weeks. |
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 19 2013, 01:25 AM) not really. I actually bought some shares recently, cash from 50% post GE to 45% today (stocks from hk, us and malaysia). Mainly shooting "undervalued" stocks. For these kind of stocks, it may revalue 50% within few days time. By the time market really correction, maybe only drop 20% or so, still earn (hopefully). Revalue 50% within few days of time? What stock is that? mind to share? |
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