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Why now.., ..is not the right time to buy property Serious Talk
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 09:49 AM, updated 15y ago
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2010: Household loan growth in Malaysia accelerated to 12.5 per cent in May, while household loan applications and approvals remain elevated - which may provide a justification for one last hike to pre-empt further build-up of household leverage.
"Household debt at 77 per cent of GDP (gross domestic product) is now the highest in Asia, with debt service approaching half of household income, even before the OPR was raised.Read more: Malaysia likely to raise key rate: Economists http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...l#ixzz1X84DgS7R Look at the graph above. Household debt is increasing rapidly! And what will our BNM gonna do about it? Read here, the latest news: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...uyers-says-rhb/» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 5 — A change in the way mortgages are calculated might slash the amounts that the public can borrow for property purchases by as much as 37 per cent, said RHB Research Institute in a report today.
RHB said that the proposal to change the computation of property mortgages — to be based on net income rather than gross income — is currently on Bank Negara Malaysia’s table for consideration.
The change comes as the central bank attempts to reign in household debt that, as a percentage of gross domestic product, surged to a record high level in 2010 due to low interest rates and easy financing schemes.
As a percentage of GDP, Malaysia’s household debt increased from 66.7 per cent in 2004 to 76 per cent in 2009, which is uncomfortably close to the levels seen in the US prior to the 2008 financial crisis.
Household income is one of the key guidelines in credit evaluation for banks and mortgage instalments are now typically calculated at one-third of gross income.
A move to calculate mortgages based on net income could reduce the threshold for mortgage instalments and thus impact residential property prices.
RHB estimated that the proposed measure could lower affordability by 14-37 per cent and the impact would be most severe in the high-end segment.
“For example, assuming an individual’s gross monthly salary of RM5,000 and if mortgage is to be calculated on net pay basis, the house value that one can afford will be reduced to RM231,000 from RM300,000 (or RM277,000 from RM360,000), using the rule of thumb of 5x (or 6x) of gross salary per annum,” said RHB.
“If supply is to match with demand, it implies that prices will have to correct by a similar (or smaller) percentage for the supply to be absorbed, or developers will start to slow down their launches to limit the supply in the market.”
RHB added that apart from the calculation of household debt on net income basis, RPGT (real property gains tax) has also been speculated as one of the possible measures that the government may impose in the 2012 budget.
“We believe RPGT is a more meaningful measure to curb speculative purchases in the property market,” said RHB. “We expect, if it is to be imposed, the tax rate to revert to pre-April 1 2007 level or slightly lower.”
RPGT has been set at a five per cent flat rate for any properties disposed of within five years of purchase while prior to April 1 2007, it was 30 per cent for disposal within the first two years of purchase and progressively lower for disposal of properties in subsequent years.
RHB added that the recent sell down in equity markets is expected to increase economic fears and could also hit property buying sentiment.
It noted that in the 2008/2009 global economic slowdown, property sales stalled and fell 30-40 per cent year-on-year and prices dropped 10.6 per cent in Kuala Lumpur.
“As we only expect a slower economic growth, property sales and prices may experience some minor corrections of 5-10 per cent,” said RHB.
Putrajaya introduced a 70 per cent loan-to-value mortgage cap on third properties last year in response to complaints that property prices had spiralled out of control due to rampant speculation.
A housing affordability chart carried in the The Edge Financial Daily on August 15 showed that property prices had risen from 5.9 times income in 1989 to 10.9 times income in 2010.
The share of household loans to total bank loans in Malaysia, meanwhile, rose from 35.2 per cent in 2000 to 55.5 per cent in August 2010. The change comes as the central bank attempts to reign in household debt that, as a percentage of gross domestic product, surged to a record high level in 2010 due to low interest rates and easy financing schemes.And on the rule of thumb. What will happen when central bank reduce the amount of loans (by making it harder to make loan or higher the interest rate)? Read here: The domino effect of rising interest ratesThe first thing that will happen in this country when interest rates go up, as they eventually will, is that a huge percentage of homeowners won't be able to make the payments on their home. Their credit card payments are due, and those are higher, too (thanks to higher interest rates). Then their house payment comes due. They were paying $500 a month. Now they have to pay $1,000 a month because interest rates are 12 percent. What happens? They can't make the payment. What do they do? They sell the house, or they try to hang in there for a while until the house gets repossessed, and the bank sells it. Either way, the house is getting sold. The house then goes on the market, adding to the supply glut of homes for sale. It's not just this one family that's affected, because interest rates affect everyone. Suddenly, a large group of homeowners can't make the payments all at once.
So, what happens to the price of houses when, say, a mere 4 percent of all homeowners suddenly decide to sell their homes at the same time? Prices plummet, and they plummet so fast that all the people who own homes can't sell them quickly enough. The condo you paid $100,000 for is only worth $80,000, and then it's only worth $70,000, and then it's only worth $60,000, and it continues to drop. Your condo ends up being worth only half of what you paid. Now you owe $90,000 because you didn't sell it yet. You owe $90,000 on a condo that's only worth $50,000 because the housing market popped. The bubble burst.================================================= So guys, think twice before buying properties now.. This post has been edited by hazairi: Sep 6 2011, 09:51 AM
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Sep 6 2011, 10:16 AM) bubble only affects investors la... home buyers for own use while benefit if bubble really burst anyway, if the bubble burst, your telor also will kecut... that time you will think of saving for the rainy days in case poop drop from sky... so if you buy now you pay more if you buy after bubble burst, chances also you can't find one or your telor still kecut... the strategy is right now, pile up your cash as high as can. Rent cheap place to get more net income..
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 12:33 PM
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Keep in mind on this statement:
As a percentage of GDP, Malaysia’s household debt increased from 66.7 per cent in 2004 to 76 per cent in 2009, which is uncomfortably close to the levels seen in the US prior to the 2008 financial crisis.
Looked what happened to US?
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(kanabalize @ Sep 6 2011, 12:54 PM) people are not that stupid to sell property for cheap because the ones with property are the one with steady income... so they can hold on to their property even if the bubble bursts.... If you want cheap house then pray for unemployment... but again it is a double edged sword isn't it... Even during the 1998 economic crisis... the house prices kept on climbing... the problem is, most of the property owners are serving bank loans. Let's say when u 1st bought at super high price, the instalment monthly u pay 1k. Now, the value has gone down until if ppl make loans, they only need to pay 300-400 per month for that house. So, why pay 1k when the house is worth 300-400 per month only? And u gonna serve that for another 20 years? This post has been edited by hazairi: Sep 6 2011, 01:00 PM
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Sep 6 2011, 01:03 PM) will medium low cost apartments be affected? sq ft 798, priced under RM100k my dad selling such units near jusco rawang. baru keluar CF a week before raya. it depends on the severity of the burst. I don't think our country will have the same bad effect such as previously received by US. BNM is doing their best to minimize the casualties. QUOTE(Break Prick @ Sep 6 2011, 01:10 PM) will the house price in malaysia going down ? i waiting that time to come and then gonna bought a condo  Yeah, soon. If not another 2-3 years, might be another 5-8 years but it's worth the wait. QUOTE(Penangnitesz @ Sep 6 2011, 01:12 PM) omai i just bought my rm 300k condo in penang last month  Prepare to die.
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(myone1015 @ Sep 6 2011, 01:22 PM) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ya right, 40 years loan period for 2 generation, low interest rate, minimal property gain tax - they are the one who allow the bubble getting big. LOL. Now they are having headaches to overcome it..
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Sep 6 2011, 01:32 PM) OP quotes a 2010 article on raising the interest rate, then got comment on recalculation of mortgage, then how increased interest rate gonna affect homeowners? How does 1 and 3 linked to 2? No source for "interest rate going to go up now" since the adjustment in first article already done back then... Raising interest rates are one of the method use by a central bank to reduce the amount of lending from the people. They will soon as you can look from the graph, Malaysian household debt is the highest in Asia. If they continue to give low interest rate, definitely the economy can't sustain with lots of loans and it will make the bubble worst.
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Sep 6 2011, 01:59 PM) mind to tell why there is no bubble? A real estate bubble or property bubble (or housing bubble for residential markets) is a type of economic bubble that occurs periodically in local or global real estate markets. It is characterized by rapid increases in valuations of real property such as housing until they reach unsustainable levels and then decline. then i go to search google, and read some old news from the star, there is a bubble just that not reach its climax yet sourcerelax. He was just being sarcastic..  anyway, nice link you give there. I wanna save it for my research..
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(Flaming_lion @ Sep 6 2011, 02:07 PM) In our case, property prices are high simply because of demand for properties. Everybody comes to KL to earn a better income. When everyone comes to KL to earn a better income, everybody wants to stay in KL. When that happens, isn't that increasing demand for properties? Demand goes up and up, while more and more people are moving into KL and Selangor. On top of it, old properties are being made way for newer high-rise properties. If you say its a bubble, then you'll have to look at those rich people who own like huge numbers of low end and medium end properties. These people buy and sell therefore, inflating the prices of properties. Only then, I would say, its logical to call it a bubble. The problem with KL and Selangor is that, property prices are increasing more and more as more people are moving into KL and Selangor. Just to prove the point, recently a corner lot near my house was sold for half a million. Its only 18 by 60 and its a double story. Heck, everytime I see a property for sale around my place, in just less than a week, the property would be sold. Interestingly, I don't see them as investors, but I see most of them are either newly weds or retired elders. Does this sound like a freaking bubble to you?  Can you take a look at the graphs given? Our household debt is at it's peak and these household debt is the one fueling the: Just to prove the point, recently a corner lot near my house was sold for half a million. Its only 18 by 60 and its a double story. Heck, everytime I see a property for sale around my place, in just less than a week, the property would be sold. Interestingly, I don't see them as investors, but I see most of them are either newly weds or retired elders. Does this sound like a freaking bubble to you?The statement above was exactly the same situation before US had their property bubble burst..
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(kanabalize @ Sep 6 2011, 03:28 PM) so bubble will burst if the people dont have source of income? the bubble burst when the demand stops and the supply is too much..
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(Xonius @ Sep 6 2011, 04:07 PM) The person who will benefit are those with cash to spare, not the ones who pay through their nose. The only worrying thing now is the possible interest rate hike.  exactly. So, the best strategy, pile up your cash as high as you can. Invest it on ASB. When the bubble burst, you can use it for a high downpayment.. walla!
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TShazairi
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Sep 6 2011, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Sep 6 2011, 04:11 PM) if interest rate hike then how? thats y the strategy is to keep as much cash as u can (of course invest it for better dividends) so dat when the time comes, u can use it to pay about 30-40% of the house price. This will reduce the total amount of interest u need to pay to bank..
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TShazairi
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Oct 2 2011, 11:30 AM
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