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TSpepsi89
post Sep 4 2011, 03:55 PM, updated 15y ago

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im using a hard one and whenever i move my mouse slowly, it wont shake like a rattlesnake's tail like when i use the soft one. And i see most pro gamer are using the hard one, so are the soft ones are really shit? i heard the soft one wont wear your mouse's teflon that quickly like the hard one does, so which one guys?

im using a free alienware hard mousemate, while im not using the razer Goliathus Edition becuz i think it is shit

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post Sep 4 2011, 03:56 PM

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If I'm not mistaken soft cloth one is mainly for precision usage, especially FPS gamer. I'm happy with my Everglide Titan, serve me for years and it is still working great.
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post Sep 4 2011, 03:57 PM

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post Sep 4 2011, 04:32 PM

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im using a hard one, razer destructor. hmm...nvr used a soft one b4 but from a cheap mousepad upgrade to this, it was definitely amazing and nothing to complain about.

but im thinking of buying the super extra large soft mat ones to try biggrin.gif you know, those which are so big you need to put half ur keyboard on top of it...

wif that mousepad, u will feel like u are not using mousepad at all, free reign to go all over the table wif ur mouse...
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post Sep 4 2011, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Sep 4 2011, 04:32 PM)
im using a hard one, razer destructor. hmm...nvr used a soft one b4 but from a cheap mousepad upgrade to this, it was definitely amazing and nothing to complain about.

but im thinking of buying the super extra large soft mat ones to try biggrin.gif you know, those which are so big you need to put half ur keyboard on top of it...

wif that mousepad, u will feel like u are not using mousepad at all, free reign to go all over the table wif ur mouse...
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post Sep 4 2011, 04:40 PM

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i am using razer goliathus (wotlk free gift) with imperator... so far everything is goood
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post Sep 4 2011, 05:55 PM

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im using razer goliathus coz im shit.
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post Sep 4 2011, 05:58 PM

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Just use whatever suit you best.

Voted for soft tho since i'm using one, and suits me well, can let me wrist rest on the mouse pad due to the softness.
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post Sep 4 2011, 08:12 PM

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using zowie grf, very good
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post Sep 4 2011, 08:16 PM

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Using steelseries sx made from aluminum very smooth hehehe before this I was using a funcpad hard plastic which last me since 2003 won many tournaments with it kekeke
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post Sep 4 2011, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Sep 4 2011, 05:58 PM)
Just use whatever suit you best.

Voted for soft tho since i'm using one, and suits me well, can let me wrist rest on the mouse pad due to the softness.
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+ easy to pack biggrin.gif
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post Sep 4 2011, 09:16 PM

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hard mats
- should be the most precise since they wont "sink"
- surface texture/area is constant
- wont pick up dirt that easily compared to soft ones

cons:
- may be a b**** to pack if you ever want to travel with it
- if it does get dirt on it, say 3 years of usage, scrubbing it off would be a b**** as well compared to just washing soft ones
- surface wear and tear is actually a fact, even for a hard surface. instead of having the surface "textured" for precision gliding, you will see that spot where your mouse glides the most being completely smoothed out (bald off lol)
- kills your mouse teflon quicker than soft surfaces

soft mats
- awesome for packing
- soft feel, especially after very long ours of usage
- probably only noticeable after very long periods, you may have less fatigue using soft mouse mats as opposed to hard ones considering you subtly get less "resistance" while gliding

- stains easily
- surface wear and tear may be easier compared to a hard one depending on its texture used
- depending on how aggressive you glide your mouse, considering it is soft, it may not provide the most accurate glide especially when your mouse is on an "inconsistent (sink)" surface



as for me, i use both. Razer exact mat (control side) with exact rest (killed off my death adder woo hoo! well the new logitech g9x is still strong on the teflon, so i guess the mouse pad shouldnt be blamed) for my home pc.

as for my travel laptop, i use razer goliathus (unplug the g9x or just take the mx518)
work/office i also bring my own razer goliathus and logitech mx518 mouse smile.gif

the deathadder was passed onto my sister, but not too long after, the mouse clicks are wearing off as well, and it was just unbearable. mx518 for her too. and shes using the razer goliathus WOTLK edition free from buying WOTLK lol

hate to admit that i find razer mouse pads being the best, even if they may be overpriced, and overhyped to shit. (logitech doesnt feel like making mouse pads so meh)
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post Sep 4 2011, 10:54 PM

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gotta admit razer is finally doing something right, mousepad.
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post Sep 4 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Sep 4 2011, 10:54 PM)
gotta admit razer is finally doing something right, mousepad.
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more like no one else is really up for the job. (steelseries is pretty close, if not may be better, personal opinions of mine that i am sticking with razer)
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post Sep 4 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 4 2011, 09:16 PM)
hard mats
- should be the most precise since they wont "sink"
- surface texture/area is constant
- wont pick up dirt that easily compared to soft ones

cons:
- may be a b**** to pack if you ever want to travel with it
- if it does get dirt on it, say 3 years of usage, scrubbing it off would be a b**** as well compared to just washing soft ones
- surface wear and tear is actually a fact,  even for a hard surface. instead of having the surface "textured" for precision gliding, you will see that spot where your mouse glides the most being completely smoothed out (bald off lol)
- kills your mouse teflon quicker than soft surfaces

soft mats
- awesome for packing
- soft feel, especially after very long ours of usage
- probably only noticeable after very long periods, you may have less fatigue using soft mouse mats as opposed to hard ones considering you subtly get less "resistance" while gliding

- stains easily
- surface wear and tear may be easier compared to a hard one depending on its texture used
- depending on how aggressive you glide your mouse, considering it is soft, it may not provide the most accurate glide especially when your mouse is on an "inconsistent (sink)" surface
as for me, i use both. Razer exact mat (control side) with exact rest (killed off my death adder woo hoo! well the new logitech g9x is still strong on the teflon, so i guess the mouse pad shouldnt be blamed) for my home pc.

as for my travel laptop, i use razer goliathus (unplug the g9x or just take the mx518)
work/office i also bring my own razer goliathus and logitech mx518 mouse smile.gif

the deathadder was passed onto my sister, but not too long after, the mouse clicks are wearing off as well, and it was just unbearable. mx518 for her too. and shes using the razer goliathus WOTLK edition free from buying WOTLK lol

hate to admit that i find razer mouse pads being the best, even if they may be overpriced, and overhyped to shit. (logitech doesnt feel like making mouse pads so meh)
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http://www.razerzone.com/mousematguide/guide

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Laser and Optical Sensors

Optical sensors have set themselves as the standard in the gaming scene and are well-tuned to work well with hard and soft mats. Laser sensors, on the other hand, are a new breed of sensors that offers higher precision compared to optical sensors. New generation laser mouse sensors work off the Doppler Effect. Laser beams fired from the sensor onto the mousing surface reflects back up into the path and mixes with the original beam. This causes a flux in the power of the laser that is proportional to the speed of the mouse. Compared to the standard optical sensors, these new generation sensors do not rely on optical imaging to determine movement of the mouse.


Due to the inherent nature of how laser sensors work, they perform better on rigid, uniform surfaces like hard mats due to its sensitivity to movements of the mouse. When used with a soft mat, the sinking of the mouse mat caused by the weight of the mouse creates an increased distance between the sensor and the surface. Laser sensors might see this as additional movement causing erratic movements on the on-screen cursor.


this is the reason why i turn away from soft mat, like this only happens to me, or people just dont care about the erratic movements on the on-screen cursor

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post Sep 5 2011, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:58 PM)
http://www.razerzone.com/mousematguide/guide
this is the reason why i turn away from soft mat, like this only happens to me, or people just dont care about the erratic movements on the on-screen cursor
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hahaha never thought that razer would even have a thorough guide on that.

what i've written above are solely based on my own experience, and im glad they are fairly thorough/accurate as well eh? ^^;
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post Sep 5 2011, 03:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 5 2011, 01:24 AM)
hahaha never thought that razer would even have a thorough guide on that.

what i've written above are solely based on my own experience, and im glad they are fairly thorough/accurate as well eh? ^^;
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now i think razer is such a responsible company to even mention the erratic part..and paradoxically mass selling soft mouse mats and expect people to use optical mice to play games, but all razer sells are laser mice, which does not serve the purpose the soft mouse mats, which is precision (hell could i have a precision when i have erratic movement on my mouse cursor)
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post Sep 5 2011, 04:03 AM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:01 AM)
now i think razer is such a responsible company to even mention the erratic part..and paradoxically mass selling soft mouse mats and expect people to use optical mice to play games, but all razer sells are laser mice, which does not serve the purpose the soft mouse mats, which is precision (hell could i have a precision when i have erratic movement on my mouse cursor)
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while i would much rather not defend razer at all considering my strong distaste against them, id rather at least get facts straightened out than just see people mistaking theirs:

- razer do (or did?) sell optical mices
- razer obviously sell hard surface mouse mats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razer_USA

>reads the Reception part
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post Sep 5 2011, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 5 2011, 03:01 AM)
now i think razer is such a responsible company to even mention the erratic part..and paradoxically mass selling soft mouse mats and expect people to use optical mice to play games, but all razer sells are laser mice, which does not serve the purpose the soft mouse mats, which is precision (hell could i have a precision when i have erratic movement on my mouse cursor)
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i use imperator which is laser on a soft goliathus mat and it is fine...
i dun fine the small weight of the mouse could push the cloth so much >.<
and i nvr had such an issue of eratic movement as well...
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 5 2011, 10:38 AM)
i use imperator which is laser on a soft goliathus mat and it is fine...
i dun fine the small weight of the mouse could push the cloth so much >.<
and i nvr had such an issue of eratic movement as well...
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i think you're totally missing his point there.
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:58 PM)
http://www.razerzone.com/mousematguide/guide
this is the reason why i turn away from soft mat, like this only happens to me, or people just dont care about the erratic movements on the on-screen cursor
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I don't see a problem with that, and i even seeing pro gamers uses laser mouse on soft mats, and they seems like doesn't care about it, as i mentioned in my previous post, just stick with whatever suit you best, not like equipments will make you best or something.
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most progamers still stick back to optical on softmats.

well, from what ppl say, optical mouse perform btr than laser mouse in gaming. i dun give a damn.

i have both ikari optical and ikari laser. used ikari optical for 6 month, wna upgrade to the supposingly more pricey and btr ikari laser. used for 1 year, now, i let my mom use the ikari laser for bejeweled and i use back my good old ikari optical.

actually both are as good to me, just that ikari optical is lighter, i can move around faster. while ikari laser's texture is btr, i feel like my hand cant move around that freely. and i dont need the high DPI, i like moving my mouse alot. not just moving my wrist.
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post Sep 5 2011, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 5 2011, 04:03 AM)
while i would much rather not defend razer at all considering my strong distaste against them, id rather at least get facts straightened out than just see people mistaking theirs:

- razer do (or did?) sell optical mices
- razer obviously sell hard surface mouse mats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razer_USA

>reads the Reception part
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i thought optical means infrared, like those with red LED right, which in layman's terms i am correct although not technically. completely messing up the terms on my part, but it still doesnt render my statement to a point of being a mistake cuz how would a reasonable bona fide purchaser for value without notice knows whether infrared/laser mice are better complement with soft/hard mousemats. i was being sarcastic by mentioning how responsible razer is, and how do u expect every buyer look at razer's mouse mate guide before buying their mousemate?

well i know razer does sell hard surface mousemat, but it doesnt negate razer's part on mass sellling soft mouse mats

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 5 2011, 10:38 AM)
i use imperator which is laser on a soft goliathus mat and it is fine...
i dun fine the small weight of the mouse could push the cloth so much >.<
and i nvr had such an issue of eratic movement as well...
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i guess its only me, my cursor still gets erractic movement even with no mouse mat, but with a soft mouse mat the erractic movement gets more erractic, completely no erractic movement on my hard mouse mat, maybe the way i hold my mouse is putting all the palm force downward causing the mat sink more than what usually people do @@

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post Sep 5 2011, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 5 2011, 04:32 PM)
i thought optical means infrared, like those  with red LED right, which in layman's terms i am correct although not technically. completely messing up the terms on my part, but it still doesnt render my statement to a point of being a mistake cuz how would a reasonable bona fide purchaser for value without notice knows whether infrared/laser mice are better complement with soft/hard mousemats. i was being sarcastic by mentioning how responsible razer is, and how do u expect every buyer look at razer's mouse mate guide before buying their mousemate?

well i know razer does sell hard surface mousemat, but it doesnt negate razer's part on mass sellling soft mouse mats
i guess its only me, my cursor still gets erractic movement even with no mouse mat, but with a soft mouse mat the erractic movement gets more erractic, completely no erractic movement on my hard mouse mat, maybe the way i hold my mouse is putting all the palm force downward causing the mat sink more than what usually people do @@
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hmmm imperator is an ergonomic mouse so i guess the way i grip it makes the difference?
so far i find that in terms of gaming gear, a good mousepad is always better than a good mouse...
i was using some cheapo mouse last time and when paired with a gaming grade mousepad, i felt so much difference...
then when i upgraded my mouse, it was a minor difference lol (stil lthe ergonomic shape + extra buttons are sooo awesome)...
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post Sep 5 2011, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Sep 5 2011, 05:13 PM)
hmmm imperator is an ergonomic mouse so i guess the way i grip it makes the difference?
so far i find that in terms of gaming gear, a good mousepad is always better than a good mouse...
i was using some cheapo mouse last time and when paired with a gaming grade mousepad, i felt so much difference...
then when i upgraded my mouse, it was a minor difference lol (stil lthe ergonomic shape + extra buttons are sooo awesome)...
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extra button for dota is just so great ok, press bottle so fast so good and lothar's edge, especially when u dont wan a macro keyboard or macro programme set up

i still suggest people who play non-fps game to choose hard mouse mat becuz speed>precision
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 5 2011, 05:19 PM)
extra button for dota is just so great ok, press bottle so fast so good and lothar's edge, especially when u dont wan a macro keyboard or macro programme set up

i still suggest people who play non-fps game to choose hard mouse mat becuz speed>precision
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i only use the extra buttons for surfing and other non-gaming use lol...
gaming i use the standard setup since macro are never allowed in tournaments =p
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 5 2011, 04:32 PM)
i thought optical means infrared, like those  with red LED right, which in layman's terms i am correct although not technically. completely messing up the terms on my part, but it still doesnt render my statement to a point of being a mistake cuz how would a reasonable bona fide purchaser for value without notice knows whether infrared/laser mice are better complement with soft/hard mousemats. i was being sarcastic by mentioning how responsible razer is, and how do u expect every buyer look at razer's mouse mate guide before buying their mousemate?

well i know razer does sell hard surface mousemat, but it doesnt negate razer's part on mass sellling soft mouse mats
i guess its only me, my cursor still gets erractic movement even with no mouse mat, but with a soft mouse mat the erractic movement gets more erractic, completely no erractic movement on my hard mouse mat, maybe the way i hold my mouse is putting all the palm force downward causing the mat sink more than what usually people do @@
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post Sep 6 2011, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 6 2011, 02:31 AM)
and i thought my posts were obvious. perhaps i gave you too much credits w
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Sep 6 2011, 02:56 AM)
talk to my hand cuz the face aint listening whistling.gif
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