at last... for a long time.. i finally thinking to buy a new car for myself.

i have 2 options in mind.

INSPIRA 2.0 CVT - BLACK[ or [B]NEW CITY WHITE

is there is any car that price lower than 95k that are better than these two.. feel free to suggest.. but no Hyundai /Kia( i dont like hyundai) , no Perodua, no other Proton, no Vios, no Peugeot ..

why i have in mind for these two.


[B]INSPIRA 2.0 CVT - BLACK[ - RM91k
- MIVEC and 2.0 - nice for sportage
- paddle shift
- EBD, EBS
- CVT Transmission - nice for town driving
- no major problem (if im not mistaken)
- but less gadget and electronics (cons)
- Hydraulic power steering.. afraid of power steering leaks... (cons) and also affect FC
- less interest rate 2.5 - 3 (correct me if im wrong)
- no auto flip side mirror
- 2nd hand value still high not like other proton car


[B]Honda City - White[ - RM89 k
- 1.5 low FC
- EPS
- Nice bodykit
- no major problem (if im not mistaken)
- no auto flip side mirror
- Nice Interior
- less interest rate 2.5 - 3 (correct me if im wrong)

can any honda city/ inspira user/owner comment and recommend good salesman for me.. thanks..

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 1 2011, 08:50 PM

My colleague driving a 2010 city.
I and another colleague driving an Inspira.
The 1 driving d city told us, if only inspira came out earlier, he would have get tat instead. thats just us :-)

if u plan inspira...better get it now
cuz they are offering low interest right now
and 5 years warranty + 5 years free service

well, if you always wanted a Honda Badge, then, you dont have a choice, its the cheapest honda.

otherwise, er, why not inspira?

Inspira > all
get Inspira = winrar

this is my 1st option already.. hehehe
btw, 2nd value of inspira still high or drop kaw2 like other proton?

that is my main concern

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Added on September 1, 2011, 8:56 pmis it inspira driving comfort like City?
how about the handling.. why inspira still using hydraulic?

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 1 2011, 08:56 PM

OR



See which badge u like... Auto Folding Mirror for inspira = HAVE
i am the one who bought it from mitsubishi spare part shop



see you want which one? hhehehehee

Personal experience. quite close with my fren driving d city.

Space - inspira. much more spacious.
Stable - my fren (city owner) claim its floaty a bit at 120km/h.
FC - almost the same. city auto. inspira manual thou.
look and feel - city looks more classy a bit inside.
NVH - inspira much better.

just my 2 cents

yap it is the cheapest honda.. good interior and bodykit and you know la.. the price even honda EK9 more than 10 years old still RM30k plus.. thats y im thinking to take honda..

2nd hand value is still ok la
if u want a good car/a car u like...u won't care the 2nd hand value so much(if u plan to hold on to it)
after 5 years...all 2nd hand value will be pretty much the same

inspira owner will say insipra better

city owner will say cit better

who will you listen to?

Interior macam plastic PVC... hahahahaa.. u try knock knock agian.. u can feel the different bro.. no poison here..but u can go again and knock knock it...

dun say Honda can tahan 10 yrs... 30 yrs also can if you maintain it.. change part regularly and change engine oil every interval..

if u use lambo and not maintainance... 3 month also can damage lo right?

WOW
how much the cost.. the motor , relay and wiring.. since it from 3 wire ( mirror adjustment only) to 5 wire ( mirror and auto flip)... will it void warranty ?

To be honest. ride wise, even the city owner agree inspira better. City fitted with torsion beam, u cant really expect much comfort with that. hydraulic u will get more road feel if u are a petrol head.
I doubt city handling is good (stock). Inspira quite good but have quite a lot body roll due to thick tires. but ita good if u are lookng for comfort

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Sep 1 2011, 09:02 PM

City is really underpowered, do take this in account while considering, honda stick to the traditional gearbox without cvt means its not gonna be a fun drive, u can feel the gear jerk, the only thing good about the city is its fuel consumption (13-14km/L in urban drive) and huge boot.

Inspira all the way, just ignore the proton badge, its practically still a lancer under the hood anyway.

can u suggest me a good salesman for inspira with good gift like
1) smart tag + TNG
2) tinted
3) stering lock
4) etc

less waiting time preferred! hehehe
less interest, installment and downpayment..

my salary RM4200..normally 6 month bonus per year.. is it affordable?

oooo.. from the conversation.. i know you are a good knowledge on cars.. kekekkee... there is no wiring needed...
standard installation = rm 120.
and i direct buy 1 pair folding side mirror from mitsubishi = plug and play. no need modified and wiring...
add relay + tap the alarm system also can:)

Inspira = Pseudo Lancer

City = Butt ugly

Vios ftw

Yes dupe, MYVI is indeed BEST

no problem.. i know the problematic problem that proton had b4..

hehehe, just an experiences only.. can u suggest me a very good salesman? near PJ/KL/USJ/PUCHONG/SHAH ALAM?

Good man u are!
But do rwmember sometimes ppl buy car that they can afford. not becoz they wanted to support. to me value for money is more worth oe support or not. just my no brainer head

i agreed with u..
the production of Old saga continous until 2004 - 2006! (Facelift - LMST).. from OLD Saga 1984 - Iswara 1992, LMST 2004... old of hv same chasis.. some minor adjustment on the engine,bodypart only.. adesss
even wira also.. from MMC, to VDO,, until 2004 - 2007... if im not mistaken.. they need to grow up..
but when inspira launch and dato syed taking care of proton i think proton already grow up..

i dun have good salesman lo... if u want to buy car dun let them see u hunger for car ..
u can request alot of free goodie too... slowly find the branch or their HQ to get better goodies..
for interest rate wise.. u need to get the lowest...for me i buy at proton edar, the one at damansara
Proton Platinium...

i also think as u did.. coz i have driving a wira for 7 to 8 years.. i sweat to god i will never buy proton agian...
but once the inspira is out.. i bought it... the reason is the chasis is all the same as Lancer.. exterior i dun care.. i can modified.. after i bought it.. i feel that lucky i dun buy Honda.. which is not comfort at all and small...

anyway.. anyone to suggest good salesman for me? =P

honda city is not a par with Inspira.. after listen to ur story i really want to buy inspira already..
how about the FC? and top speed? i heard inspira ECU cut off at 200km/h.. i really like speed..

maybe just me. fact is already fact. car expensive due to proton. but i have a choice now to choose to buy a more value car. or pay more for less. ur call... For me. more value is better

Becoz they 2 offer u the same price but quality so so. so u opt for carls junior even though wallet only got Rm15. :-p

hahaha...u will feel lucky when u buy an inspira... coz in malaysia.. u will always have mitsubishi motor spare part to support your accessories beside proton itself.. hehehe

FC depends on your feet... Highway drive can clock 900km city drive can be 480 to 540 in full tank.

ECU you can reflash after the warranty which i suggest you dun do it 1st..

not cut off at 200km/h.. is because the rpm will cut at 5K ~ 6K RPM.. so ur car cannot push to the end...

people from our thread there, some of them can go up to 210 to 220km/h also... no worry la...

when u push to 4.5k RPM and reach the MIVEC zone... your car will damn powerful... hahahaa

if u like manual get 1.8MT or u like paddle shifter get 2.0AT

Damn genius la you.

inspira 1.8manual owner here... overall the car worth its price (not taking account on govt. protection against foreign make) good handling, just got back from kemaman/kuantan very comfy setup in winding roads...

my wife owns an 2008 city idsi, been driving before got my own inspira, best fc 2nd to none i would say, though under power,

my younger bro got the new 2010 city, more aggressive design than city idsi, engine wise i would say it lose out to city idsi in terms of fc & smoothness,

2nd hand value honda name will win hands down, imagine my fren sold his 7yrs old city vtec for rm30k+

considering its price vs engine capacity, i would say go for inspira as its still a mitsubishi in disguise, if ur major concern is 2nd hand value then honda...

i prefer u not ask for tint
i recommend u go and install it yourself
becuz u can get a better tint...most importantly better workmanship

mybee ftw?

see this http://www.myperodua.com/index.php/topic,3620.0.html

ok.. if downpayment Rm5000 can ar? what is the monthly installement for 9 years?

sorry to say..it's not the existence of p2 that make p1 change
dn't praise p2 like god
it's the management that sarks...greedy...etc
but p2 didn't give an effect to p1
p1 finally change their management 3-4 years ago...and launch saga blm and so on
QC is getting better...hired a QC manager from BMW to ensure it somemore
but no doubt...anything they produce be4 change management is very dissapointing

QC from BMW? not UMW? since proton RND really praise toyota top quality...

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 1 2011, 09:42 PM

I think we should not support proton and get mybee eventhough it has problem.

not at least 10%??
from a financial POV....it's better u pay more DP and loan less
in that way...your debt is lesser and what "extra" u need to pay is lesser(am talking abt interest)

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Added on September 1, 2011, 9:40 pmnope..is BMW
if u check the name of that guy...it's a german name
proton actually mix japanese and european stuff in their car
outside everything is japanese like GB is japanese
but inside is european like the signal placement, they follow european...lotus handling(lotus is a british company)

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Sep 1 2011, 09:43 PM

hehehe.. im thinking better i have more money in hand rather than give it to the bank... maybe some salesman can help me with this.. but i hv no prblem if to pay up to 8 - 9

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Added on September 1, 2011, 9:43 pmooh ok.. typo error.. not honda.. but toyota.. UMW toyota

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 1 2011, 09:43 PM

if u want to have more money on hand rather than give it to bank
the way i say just now is actually is
the DP...you're actually giving proton...not bank
the more DP u pay, the less u loan.....the less u loan, the less you're giving bank..isn't it
the lesser DP u pay, the more u loan....the more u loan, the more loan and interest you're paying the bank
and the faster u finish paying the loan, the lesser you're actually giving the bank

Get 9 year ok liao.. dun get 5 or 7 years..

the point is you can get extra cash in hand which u can save for rainning days... this is just a CAR which is only for transport. you do not need to pay faster. coz your car is last very long unless...touchwood...u bang it.

do not pay more to the bank coz the interest is not much... unless you buy a Lamborghini which cost milllion.
even u have 10K of salary..u also should get 9 years. coz the interest is not important.. as i know you got every year bonus. no need scared.. coz i am also same situation as you do. GO FOR IT... hahahahaaa

The more DP you pay, when the time you want to sell off the car.. thats is not worth at all... Some people will say faster if you pay 5 year. but who knows within this 5 year.. you need the money for emergency? family? friend? and so on...dun do so...

you are a man, what you need more is MONEY $$$$.. dun dumped your money into the car...a steel metal...should save it for many purposed...an advice...

This post has been edited by chyapp: Sep 1 2011, 09:55 PM

buy cash la, buy the car 10 years later. and debt free.

What is the loan for 5 , 7 and 9 years ?

RM900 only.. is it 2.0? i though RM1200

Wow 9 years is not that good then, paying RM12k more compared to 7 years. 1 year got to pay extra 6k. I think if can really afford its better not to opt for 9 years. Extra money are going to the banks.

To Happy Jolly
- I still have faith with Proton. I think it's not fair to blame and boycott Proton just because they did sucks in their initial production. And i not agree P2 is the cause that force Proton to compete. Proton carried million hopes from Malaysian since the high tax for car have been made to protect Proton, they always been pressured by rakyat to do their best. After the changes of management, we can see they try to grow up by improving their QC and produce more friendly car user to rakyat.
Of course, they can't satisfy everyone. Proton still have long way to go but to boycott them just because you hate tax is just selfish.

Remember all those tax have contribute mass income for gov. Gov cut tax such as car tax, rakyat should expect they cut some subsidy too. But i doubt Malaysian will accept this reality. Some of us is lack of rationality though and just think all those subsidy money come from langit.

Totally disagree lo... If have a shorter loan, u can get a lower interest rate, if u get a lower interest rate then u can save more for future use...
If u have a full loan with maximum 9yr period then u will pay alot unnecessary money for interest, in the end you are paying alot more than others for the very same piece of metal....

Different story if u are loaning for a property, becoz most probably the value of ur property will appreciate so its ok to stretch your loan period for a property since the appreciation value will cover the interest u paid...

Just my 1sen...

haha...true...buy cash is the best
the car price is 70k...u pay exactly 70k
no extra no interest
debt free somemore
if loan...car price 70k...end up paying 85-90k at the end

this is also why rich ppl gets richer as well...becuz they pay no extra to what they buy...saves alot

buy cash later income tax will tax you another Inspira..hahahaha

Only if u r earning dirty money and didnt pay ur income tax...

ya.. depends on people needs.. no true or false here..

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Added on September 1, 2011, 10:33 pmgood la.. you are good citizen... just do what you have do.. u will be proud to be malaysian

This post has been edited by chyapp: Sep 1 2011, 10:33 PM

Of coz, Honda City better.

well, as long as you are a malaysian, you will contribute to this country more or less, so as long as you're contributing, you should enjoy subsidy.

you have no right to tell ppl to stop expecting subsidy, because,

1. you are not those rich ppl that pay millions in tax to gomen ( i assume), so you are no better than any ppl here, so chill out.

2. unless you are main contributor of tax ,then you maybe/maybe not, can ask ppl to stop asking from subsidy(which is part of your tax/contribution)

you are enjoying subsidy too, maybe you drive better car than others, such as a civic, but unless you're the top 1% of ppl ( rule of thumb, you can afford a ferrari anytime after consulting your accountant and you run your own big company, not the self register sdn bhd), but that doesnt mean you should laugh at ppl who is driving a saga/myvi and hope gomen will lower the tax to let ppl drive better car.

malaysia has high accident faltality rate, but have you guys related it to the car maker such as proton/perodua that is causing this?

so, its totally cool and reasonable for us to ask gomen to lower the tax so everyone can afford a better car.

remember, the gomen serves us, not the other way round.

if u really have those money legally..they got nothing on u la
those rich ppl buy merc on cash 200k+ also nothing
all open stall somemore
as long not illegal business

ya... thats right... fried kuey tiew uncle drive merc buying cash... so good la..

thinking to fried kuey tiew too...

just sms dcautoworld last night..

Price : RM 91,549 Rebate RM3500 = RM88,049


Minimum D/P 4k rebate 3500.. only need to pay RM500 and interest rate 3.2%
but monthly for 9 years = Rm1036/month (Total = 112k)
Damage= RM112.5k

Rebate 3500, pay downpayment 4000.
Interest Rate = 2.8
Monthly for 9 years = RM975/month (total = 105k)
Damage = RM109k

looks like no different if pay RM4000 or not.. better not..??

will update any offer from other salesman.. i heard other Salesman offer rebate at RM5000 instead of RM3500..

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 2 2011, 11:28 AM

interest rate 3.0% also just diffent about few dollar lo.. u decide..

if u not comfort on this amount then u dump more money to it..

RM 5000 rebate = no free service already... u decide..

may be now got new package... u better check carefully...

would you guys go for suzuki swift or sx4?

friend, rm100.5k divide by 108 months how to get rm1197? its RM930.

, you need a salesman to do the calculation for you.

wah gagak....buying new car oledi huh....

then ur iswaralution u trade in ..... huhu ....

Buy inspira and go turtle lol

I've experience for both cars:

Honda City 2010
1) More easy to handle around cities area
2) Suitable for decent height person means you could cover up all views (front,side and rear)
3) Fuel Consumption wise is acceptable
4)A bit underpowered since Honda City 2010 still using relatively previous engine with much bigger body but with mods the problem will be solved.
5)Interior wise plasticky but well built
6)Suspension a bit stiff (depends on personal view)

Inspira
1)2.0/1.8 versus 1.6
2)Suspension much more comfy(again depends on personal view)
3)Large room well fit in even with 4 persons at rear seat
4)Handling feel much more heavier than City thus need to put more energy during driving at cities area
5)Quite hard to view at rear side needs to look every angle especially when parking
6)Interior wise feel more luxury than City
7)Great promotion last time checked for 2.0 premium the price RM86k++ after rebate(during Raya promotion) for City not sure got promotion or not but I think they will give nice promotion

This post has been edited by VerdictReview: Sep 2 2011, 10:12 AM

I'm never said gov to stop subsidy.
Realize or not, our gov spend subsidy way too much already. I just invite people to used some rationality.
Never heard "kos lepas"?
Just imagine it involve money from your pocket. Your boss cut your salary, did you expect you can still give the same duit belanja to your anak2? Gov probably can still give mass subsidy (since subsidy is pretty sensitive issue) but they probably need to cut their expenses in develop the project.

Proton is more to long term project. Of course in short term, our generation need to sacrifice by feeding Proton.
It not just our country that put tax to car. Like it or not, Proton already exist more than 25 years.
bak pepatah Melayu "Alang-alang menyeluk pekasam, biar sampai ke pangkal lengan"

And no, i'm not main contributor to the tax. I'm just regular Malaysian citizen that doesn't obsess with imported car.
If Proton never grow up, i agree that we should close P1 alongside with P2 but it's too early to said that. As a Malaysian, i think it more wise to support them (when i said support, not meaning to feed them in wrong way).
It's our own national car anyway

This guy obviously never driven an Inspira before.

Dont ask got tint!
All Inspira is factory tinted, security tint somemore

hahaha.. i do a wrong calculation.. edited

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Added on September 2, 2011, 11:30 ammeans that RM1500 extra is service package? no wonder another salesman said that no service package..

what is the service package include (details)?

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Added on September 2, 2011, 11:33 amhahaha.. no way i will trade in it.. i will used it for town driving or send engine oil to my customers.

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Added on September 2, 2011, 11:34 amno suzuki.. suzuki swift is good but my size is big and boroi.. hehehe.. not matching

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 2 2011, 11:34 AM

bro, better take the rebate instead of free services and part, since you sell oil, you can use the best oil for your inspira instead of proton free cheap oil(semi synthetic).

This post has been edited by nzh0920: Sep 2 2011, 11:59 AM

bro . u can ask for personal discount geh
last time i bought mine .. Proton gave 3k discount + 1k personal discount ..

yes.. that is what im thinking about..i will not used Petronas... at least castrol fully syn.. i can carry my own fully synthethic oil like Eneos/Torco to the Proton SC but why Proton dont have Torco at their SC.. my mitsubishi lancer customer said Mitsu SC have torco.. the labour cost how much? this is the problem.. the lubrication sevice (normal) and major service cost...

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Added on September 2, 2011, 12:13 pmRM3500 rebate and 3 years free service + 5 years warranty ...

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Sep 2 2011, 12:13 PM

Honda and Toyota fight B-Segment?? Lose kaw-kaw oready...45k Saga vs 90k VIOS/City. Can buy 2 Saga. One use as spare part.

Matrix .. u wont understand 1 ..
if not the G .. we can buy vios at 40k ....
45k vs 90k ... 90k way to go

i would not go for an overpriced piece of car (be it becoz of the G or what) ... unless i like it

i also plan to get inspira 1.8M .... the only 80k budget i can afford ... more over it is big car + value for moneh.....

plan to get it around November....hopefully protong dont replace many parts to OEM .... or else rugi

if not mistaken after july batch .. more things will be stripped down..
you might not get motorized headlights anymore .. (might not) .. unsure..
might not get tweeter cable..
might not get cruisecontrol cable

looking at the specs, i will opt for Inspira eventhough I am hard fan of Honda. in fact, i am aiming for Inspira for my 2nd car soon ...
just my opinion.

ah fark lar lidat....then i just take showroom car....japan mali....

Of course i understand. You can talk all you want about goverment tax, so? Is anything going to change? Even if PR takes over from BN, it is impossible to simply abolish the tax overnight, not gonna happen. So in the end, it's all about what you get for your money...and junks like VIOS and City are simply overpriced. If you don't want to pay tax, sure, migrate to other countries, then you can buy cheap Benz or whatever. But as long as you make a living here, you pay the price here. Nothing you can do about it.

Btw, cheapest barebone VIOS without tax is also RM53k or so....not 40k...

http://www.toyota.com.my/vios/specs-and-price/price-list.dot

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 2 2011, 04:10 PM

kenny, 1.8mt got cruisecontrol one meh? interesting to get

Inspira originally came from japan its Mitsubishi Lancer...Original Mitsubishi lancer pricing now is 120K...proton manufacture only change bodykit,interior and Lotus handling (Original S-AWC/YAW) if im not mistake...however the engine is Original Mitsubishi and with RISE technology impact...so now who want 120K car?

local lancer / inspira dun have S-AWC or YAW la... those are for 4 wheel drive system

anyone can answer to my previous question? is it worth to take the free service package?

im thinking of to take the package but to subtitute the engine oil during servicing.. which is i take their semi oil and give them my fully synthethic such as castrol/torco/motul/eneos... anyway how much the labour cost for normal service and major service... btw, the major one also i can DIY myself.. hehehe.... but afraid will void warranty... tmrw will go to 1 Proton Edar at PJ and 1 at damansara... will see which one offer better.. =)

wanna ask, if the distance between my workplace and home is about 5km,
how about the fuel consumption? is worth to use inspira to travel with the distance like that?

thinking of getting it too for my 1st car..
but people always pollute my mind that it is not worth to invest in car..
esp if we pay instalment nearly 1k...
not like we have a lot of options..

better ask the SC you're gonna service in 1st
ask can use own oil or not...some not allowed and it might void the warranty
labour charge is RM50-100
more expensive than outside of course

I know 5 Sc near kl that can bring own oil but im thinking to swap the oil during service. I take their oil and they used my own oil

whats more important is the SC, if your car is a good buy also no use. last time i bought a citroen , the SC asked me for the booklet because they dont know how to change the light bulb?? i had own protons too, so much trouble with the workshop.

Can guarantee Honda SC much better?

My fren sis have full service at honda sc. city for whole 5 years. but they never ask her to replace the gear oil.

Wth.Gear oil need to change every 40k km.
Tmrw morning i will go to proton edar or eon to check the new price.

Yes.. my fren sis f the service center and ask them whom to blame when the CVT kong ...

To me, any1 whom drives a car should know some basic maintenance... should not always depends on the SC. Not the SC problem, but the workers..

no possible nvr replace gear oil....cos ada maintenance service booklet

IF u said Honda SC request to change more than standard then i believe. But u said NEVER ask her to replace gear oil some more is for CVT gearbox? Are u SURE or another blind bashing?

Fren's sis? Hmm...

normal auto GB change oil every 20k
CVT is longer but the oil is more expensive
if she didn't change..very easy kong

to be exact .. its my old housemate... dun believe .. and think i am a basher ???
i dare u .. if really u eat my shit .. i show u the service records ... want ?

-- EDITED -- Ok la .. sorry a bit harsh .. just sharing my experince.. i hate ppl accuse me .. anyway .. she sold her car 2 months ago after the incident and change to another car ..

i think u are more like the basher .. i just sharing my experience.. he known that city have some problem with the first batch CVT .. thats why he go and warn his sis.. and he told me .. never change for 5 years.. i didnt even says honda was not good.. just says that is the worker attitude problem ....

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Added on September 2, 2011, 9:51 pmI think it is due to CVT gearbox oil can last longer .. and her sis dun drive much .. thats why the SC didnt ask her change.. but 5 years without change eventhou doesnt hit the distance.. i do think its a bit long ..

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Sep 2 2011, 09:52 PM