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Cyclonechuah
post Nov 8 2011, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(jackyyong @ Nov 8 2011, 03:34 PM)
Are LCD / LED monitors suitable for photoshop works? Pls dun ask me to buy CRT though, for size reasons, I can't accommodate a CRT on my work desk. Which LCD / LED model is suitable for photoshop? I'm looking for size of around 24 inch. Is the Dell U2410 good? Or are there any cheaper alternatives?
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If you're buying U2410, i recommend you buy Asus PA246Q which uses P-IPS. Currently, as technology goes. Dell has kinda abandon H-IPS Technology and go full scale E-IPS because it is cheaper than H-IPS.(sorry, what i mean is Dell is going on a much more economic budget type panel rather than H-IPS which consider kinda premium.)

E-IPS is not True 8bit Color Depth, and are mostly 16.7M (6-bit+A-FRC). which is not True 8bit Color Depth.
But there are a few exception, If you guys do remember Dell model : 2209WA which uses LM220WE4-SLB2, it has 16.7M (true 8-bit) Color Depth, and also with the capabilities of overclocking the monitor to 76hz refresh rate.(i am a proud owner of this awesome monitor, true 8bit and 76hz refresh rate)

For Current Dell Monitor, additional Information to you guys.
Model Name < - > Panel Used < - > Color Depth
Dell U2410 - H-IPS(LM240WU4-SLB1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U2312HM - E-IPS(LM230WF3-SLD1) - 16.7M (6-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U2412M - E-IPS(LM240WU8-SLA2) - 16.7M (6-bit +A-FRC)
Dell U2711 - H-IPS(LM270WQ2-SLA1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U3011 - H-IPS(LM300WQ5-SDA1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)

No offense to anyone here, i'm just pointing out why there's a huge price difference in these monitor despite they are all use IPS model. it's just color offering difference.

If Color Depth is really important to you in Photoshop works, i recommend you get H-IPS or S-IPS, or P-IPS(which one of the latest IPS Panel release in 2010)

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post Nov 9 2011, 06:14 PM

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i have to fix my previous error. Asus PA246Q Monitor does not use S-IPS but using P-IPS which is one of the latest IPS Panel that offers 10~12bit of color depth.

P-IPS Stands for Performance-IPS or Professional-IPS. (which i can't confirm at a moment, as there might be some difference between these two)
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For Current Dell Monitor, additional Information to you guys.
Model Name < - > Panel Used < - > Color Depth
Dell U2410 - H-IPS(LM240WU4-SLB1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U2312HM - E-IPS(LM230WF3-SLD1) - 16.7M (6-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U2412M - E-IPS(LM240WU8-SLA2) - 16.7M (6-bit +A-FRC)
Dell U2711 - H-IPS(LM270WQ2-SLA1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)
Dell U3011 - H-IPS(LM300WQ5-SDA1) - 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)
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post Nov 9 2011, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Unleashed @ Nov 9 2011, 06:57 PM)
anyone can recommend me a 23" monitor for gaming and some movie..
budget below RM700..
i know many ppl will recommend me Dell U2312HM. any other monitor beside this?
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These are IPS Panel which is one of the best offers in market with good view angle, i don't think you could find any IPS Monitor below RM700 budget. unless you want TN Panel which poor viewing angle and medium color depth.

Which i can say this is the best choice you can have with 3 years premium warranty unless you wanna try AOC e-IPS model or Asus e-IPS Model, but i don't really recommend them due to their stand is kinda flimsy without option to tilt, adjustable height, and additional options etc.
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post Nov 19 2011, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Nov 19 2011, 05:15 PM)
I wanna ask... Is there a HDMI port Touch Screen LED/LCD Monitor/TV... Since the soon release Windows 8 biggrin.gif
Something doesn't look bad on my desk that could fit 2x 17" Monitor about 25"+... And have a built in HD Webcam...

No Idea what's the difference between LED, LCD, LCD backlit with LED Monitors. Might help...

No Price.

Should I wait for the Windows 8 release... Since maybe the mass production can lower the price... Or get it now before soon the monitors will raise?
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Difference between LCD and LED Monitor are, LCD uses CCFL as backlight and LED uses LED as backlight.
There are no different in color between LCD and LED.
For Color Depth Difference, it would be mainly depends on what type of panel the monitor uses.

There are mainly 3 type of Panels, TN Panel, IPS Panel, VA Panel.
For more information. Click TFT LCD Monitor Wikipedia
If you want easiest explanation it will be.
Refresh Rate : TN > IPS > VA
Color Depth : VA/IPS > TN

The only Touch Screen IPS Monitor that i know are offered by Dell ST2220T which has built in speaker.

BUT HALT!, there are something more better than Dell, search for Wacom Cintiq, they offer best color depth and highest quality of touchscreen. And there's only one problem you'll gonna face when you wanted to buy this.
MONEY

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post Nov 25 2011, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 25 2011, 02:20 AM)
If EVO2k uses them, why not give it a try? :sweat

But during WCG2k11 in Malaysia, they uses some Samsung 2ms monitor, which looks silky smooth for SC2, where as my 5MS AOC has some jerk lag on the movement.
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depends on quality, those WCG2k11, Samsung confirm use top high quality monitor which handpicked, because thousands will be looking at it all the time.

The most easiest part to notice is price tag between these two monitor.

Btw, for everyone here : If you're looking for a review of monitor, and wanted to know which are good to buy.
Please Check this link : http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

The guy that doing this review is freaking professional, and listed out all the information that are very important. plus revealing the IPS Panel type of the monitor.

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post Nov 25 2011, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(CANONPIXMA @ Nov 25 2011, 05:27 PM)
is the 8ms that bad for gaming?
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8ms might suffer ghost effect which are unsuitable for gaming. but like wildwestgoh said, only those hardcore will notice them.

the most important are input lag.

Btw, just a friendly reminder to everyone.

120hz Monitor with 2ms refresh rate is not going to help you get smoother graphic, if you're using outdated graphic card which only supports most game about 20~40 FPS.
Using these monitor will not grant you to have smooth like butter graphic performance, unless your graphic card can handle games up to 120fps in order to fully utilize 120hz monitor.



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post Dec 4 2011, 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Dec 4 2011, 02:30 AM)
Guys / girls,

anyone actually own both u2311h and u2312hm ?

i want to ask how is the color comparison, in terms of cold/warm level.

Im using u2311h right now, but getting 1 more u2311h which i think is absolutely hard nowaday. only left u2312hm as choice.

i would like to raise my concern to you guys, so any opinion?
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you poison your friend to grab a 2312hm, after he get it, then you grab your monitor, VROOM to his house, test it side by side. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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post Dec 25 2011, 11:19 AM

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stuttering 3D is damn painful to eye in cinema, the feeling is not so pleasant, anyone of you use 3D monitor with 120hz before? mind share some of your view?
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post Dec 26 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(porkchop @ Dec 26 2011, 02:32 AM)
wanna ask the below which would be a better choice for photographers needing at least 80% and above gamut colour smile.gif
i think its unfair comparison cause one is TV and the other is IPS?

Toshiba Regza 24" 24PB1E PowerTV
Dell U2412M
LG M2341A LCD Monitor TV
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For TV, i don't know about their colour.

But for Monitor Dell U2412M. here's the information.
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Panel Used : 24"WS LG.Display e-IPS (LM240WU8-SLA2 )
Colour Depth : 16.7M (6-bit +A-FRC)&nbsp;
Response Time (ms)&nbsp; : 14ms
Contrast Ratio : 1000:1
Brightness (cd/m2) : 300
NTSC Colour Gamut : 71%
Adobe RGB coverage : 74.3%
sRGB coverage : 95.8%
Backlight : W-LED


For working with photograph, which i assume you will be using Adobe Photoshop, you would probably need a true 8 bit panel for your work, which offers above 80% color accuracy.

But they are much more expensive, you can look at Dell model U2410, U2711 or U3011.
These uses H-IPS Panel which offers 8bit or 10bit(8bit +A-FRC)

You can have a look at Dell Monitor U2410 information below.
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Panel Used : 24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4-SLB1)
Colour Depth : 1.07b (8-bit+A-FRC)&nbsp;
Response Time (ms)&nbsp; : 13ms
Contrast Ratio : 1000:1 /3000:1 (DCR)
Brightness (cd/m2) : 400
NTSC Colour Gamut : 102%
Adobe RGB coverage : 98.1%
sRGB coverage : 100%
Backlight : 7x CCFL


Added : Info

IF you want cheapest solution, i recommend you spend RM50 get a cheap CRT Monitor for photo working, they have perfect color compare to all current LCD.

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post Dec 29 2011, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Dec 29 2011, 10:28 PM)
CRT still better then current TN LCD now?
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CRT is still the best color reproduction monitor. There's still many big company uses them. because they provided no input lag and best color reproduction that LCD can't even beat.
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post Dec 29 2011, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Dec 29 2011, 10:43 PM)
Yeah I also realise those photo printing still using CRT.Initial thought was cost saving.
But for me LCD is seem more pristine sharper and more vivid.I miss out those accuracy.
Now market still have any CRT for sales?
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you still can find them in 2nd hand, but CRT has long been stopped manufacturing for most countries, except China.

LCD is just more energy efficient, slimmer, light weight, easy to carry. but the performance they offer is still inferior compare to CRT.
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post Dec 30 2011, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:58 PM)
i dont want monitor coz color looss but TV color very nice
let say batter tv color then monitor color loss

i already test monitor connect full hd i connect direct hdmi for XBOX 360
i feelll blur and color loss but sucks
i try my tv sony 55inch hdmi to xbox 360 now i feel very nice and color superb then monitor  mad.gif
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may i ask what monitor you used in the test?

Sony TV are mostly S-PVA Panel.
No offense but i think your Monitor are using TN Panel which has inferior color compare to VA and IPS.

And i think you need to tune your monitor sharpness to fix Xbox360
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post Dec 31 2011, 03:55 AM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:58 PM)
i dont want monitor coz color looss but TV color very nice
let say batter tv color then monitor color loss

i already test monitor connect full hd i connect direct hdmi for XBOX 360
i feelll blur and color loss but sucks
i try my tv sony 55inch hdmi to xbox 360 now i feel very nice and color superb then monitor  mad.gif
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Dec 30 2011, 04:06 PM)
PC i can connect HDMI TO TV like PC gc card Dvi to hdmi also can
i using CRT 17inch old monitor Dell

i already try XBOX 360 my friend LCD Monitor but sucks color loss and ghost  cry.gif
i try xbox 360 to LCD AND LED TV wow Color superb and no ghost very smooth then lcd monitor  cry.gif
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CRT monitor does not have color problem, unless your monitor color was set so bad or you didn't do color calibration on the CRT Monitor.

Another Reason on Blur may contributed by CRT Monitor are 4:3 resolution, please check your xbox360 display output are 16:9 or 4:3.
based on your assumption that you use 55inch Sony TV, you must be using 16:9 resolution output on both Sony TV and CRT Monitor.

And Judging from it, you must be using converter of VGA to HDMI for CRT monitor compability.

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i already try XBOX 360 my friend LCD Monitor but sucks color loss and ghost  cry.gif
i try xbox 360 to LCD AND LED TV wow Color superb and no ghost very smooth then lcd monitor  cry.gif


As i say previously, LCD Monitor that uses TN Panel has inferior color coverage compare to TV that uses VA (S-PVA)

LCD and LED Monitor are the basically the same thing with the only differences are the energy efficiency.

LCD Monitor use CCFL as Backlight brightness
LED Monitor use LED as Backlight brightness

They do not contribute to color. LED are just more energy efficient than CCFL used for backlight.

In the end, it is up to user setting for affecting the display, if you just plug and play without setting anything, then i would have nothing to say, and would only post this picture.
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post Jan 19 2012, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 18 2012, 12:42 PM)
honestly if u got 2k budget, get bigger screen lo
2410 is not great when u are looking at 10pt font size
and the anti glare coating got very bad crystalizing effect

local view sonic got bring in 26" screen, priced about 2000.
same IPS panel as very expensive NEC 2690wuxi professional color monitor, just the menu settings & factory calibration not as great as the professional one.

got nice kaki ayam as well biggrin.gif
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according to what you say, 2k budget, get bigger screen, you can use that RM2k to get 40inch TV.

Btw, U2410 has very bad crystalizing effect? do you actually own one?
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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 19 2012, 11:45 AM)
at least it is proper computer monitor rather than tv.
there is several difference between tv and monitor so...

yes, u2410 throw to my dad use liao.
he dont like it too, so we hang wall as cctv display
haha wide view angle is so good
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the wall mount looks very nice. drool.gif drool.gif

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