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 Buying Gold As Investment V3 - $1950?, Gold rush brings windfalls and warnings

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prophetjul
post Oct 21 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Oct 21 2011, 09:10 AM)
Wow, one of the veterans. What got you into gold? Did you foresee back in 2002 regarding the debt and paper currency crisis we were going to have? I only learnt about it in 2008..
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i was introduced to gold in 1999 by a preacherman! biggrin.gif
He showed me the tricks used by unscrupolous bankers and financiers.
talked about derivatives and gold is the real deal.
ANd how he sees the financial crisis thats gonna evolve in time.

Studied the stuff and saw how Greenspook gave easy credits and stuff to build up all thise financial bubbles
for a financial Armmageddon....with another person
This person gave the signposts for gold to eventually take its place

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at that time,i did not realise that it could be so bad.....didnt realise that U.S crsis could evolve into
an international crsis
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post Oct 21 2011, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Oct 21 2011, 12:36 PM)
No such thing as long term investors who can afford to wait xx years... No one can predict when you will need the money..

I am not cursing anyone but who knows something bad happen and you need money?

Maybe the only real truth i personally know is no one has a crystal ball and no one(at least normal working class ppl like me) can predict what will happen... If long term guarantee can get rich also i sure will participate..

Those of you invest 2002 maybe can earn from current price... What if those invest in 1992 and wait 5 or 8 years? At those period, got really earn a lot? If you mention invest long term, are u willing to wait 10-20 years if gold price suddenly stagnant?

Just some food for thought...

I am not rich... So my words not really qualified as a good advice... wink.gif
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To that i will point you back to

a)!st and most important ?Why are you in gold? There are many many other assets classes out there.
Are you here because its the flavour of the season?

b) Next what do you know about gold?


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post Oct 31 2011, 08:17 AM

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From Jim Willie

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FRAUD IN THE GOLD MARKET

◄$$$ CENTRAL BANKS ARE DEEPLY IN HOCK OVER GOLD BULLION LEASES. THE AMOUNT OF TONNAGE IS ASTONISHING. THE STORY IS TOLD, BUT THE EXTENT OF LEASE VOLUME IS WAY WRONG. IT IS MUCH HIGHER. THE CRIMINAL BANKERS DEEPLY SHORT WILL BE FORCED TO COVER, TO LOCATE THE GOLD, AND TO DELIVER IN ORDER TO AVOID PROSECUTION AND LAWSUITS. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE GOLD PRICE WILL RISE MULTIPLES HIGHER. $$$

Information has typically been very sketchy on this important topic. Most people in the investment community yawn in boredom when it is cited. Nevertheless, the foundation of central banks and the monetary system will always find its strength from the collateral to money. Dimitri Speck is a gold market researcher and GATA consultant. From research, he estimates says central banks have leased out 4000 to 6000 metric tons of gold, excluding the United States. He specifically mentions the Swiss National Bank and the Bundesbank as involved in the gold leasing. The Swiss and Germans had for decades been the most responsible among the bankers, but no more. Beginning in the 1990 decade, they were lured by the Rubin gang in the USDept Treasury into easy money with leveraged gold sales, from leased gold bullion owned by their respective governmental treasuries. It is hard for the Jackass to perceive such activity as anything but theft and treason. The GoldMoney interview link no longer functions (CLICK HERE) for some reason.

My best gold banker and trader source claims the number is grossly incorrect. He has made repeated claims that the total volume that central banks, AND BULLION BANKS, are short from leases is more like 40 to 60 thousand tons, ten times more!! He fully expects a day of reckoning from these criminal bankers deeply committed in fraud. The Mexican central bank purchase of empty vaults is a prime example When they must cover the shorts, when they must honor contract commitments, when they must go out into the marketplace and purchase gold, they will force the price upward by multiples. They will resort to raids like on the Libyan hoard, which is sizeable but inadequate. They will first depend upon the gold repositories in Switzerland, but in time that source will refuse them, since they own the Mother Lode, much of it obtained (pilfered) during World War II. The Venezuelan demand by Chavez is a prime example. The Swiss titans will permit the gold price to find its true value multiples higher, after the system disintegrates completely. That process has begun, as the sleepy in our society do not see it.

◄$$$ BEHOLD THE MEXICAN PHANTOM GOLD PURCHASE. IT SEEMS LIKE MEXICO PURCHASED 110 TONS OF GOLD THAT DO NOT EXIST. THE LONDON BANKERS PULLED OFF ANOTHER FRAUD. THE BANK OF MEXICO OWNS CERTIFICATES, NOTHING MORE. IT IS NO WONDER THE RECENT BIG PURCHASES BY EMERGING NATIONS HAVE HAD ZERO IMPACT ON THE GOLD PRICE. THE LONDON BULLION BANKERS RAN A SCAM THAT IS BEING EXPOSED. AS THE MEXICANS DEMAND GOLD, THE LONDON BOYZ WILL SCRAMBLE TO OBTAIN IT AT SOURCE. THEY WILL LOOK TO BASEL SWITZERLAND AND THE MARKET. $$$

The following story about Mexico been duped and conned reveals the nature of the grand gold fraud game. The London Bullion Market Assn is a highly fraudulent enterprise, which sells what clients believe is gold, but is actually paper certificates, mere claims. They often are lured into deals that are loaded with complexity on the delivery side, as in almost never. The fraud is compounded by vault fees for gold bullion not actually held. The LBMA banks are well known to possess only about 1% of all the physical gold they have allegedly sold and supposedly stored, accounting for their vast unallocated storage shenanigans. They are deeply committed to fractional schemes. They play games in shuttling metal and concealing the absence of inventory. Enter Mexico, whose central bank this spring purchased what they thought was 110 tons of gold bullion. Observers of market activity knew the big acquisitions had no impact on the market price. Like many IMF sales, along with those of Thailand and Kazakhstan and India, they had less of an effect than an observer would otherwise have expected. The transactions merely meant paper contracts shifted from desk to desk. A persistent and diligent Mexican journalist named Guillermo Barba has investigated and provided the answer to this conundrum. He posed a number of questions to the Mexican Central Bank about the gold purchases. The initial forays were blocked on grounds of secrecy. Barba persisted, went to higher management officials, only to learn that the bankers were unable to provide the quantity of bars purchased, the bar serial numbers, the exact weight of each bar, or any other measures that would indicate to someone familiar with the gold industry that certain specific bars were titled in the name of Banxico. They own gold paper certificates in a complex maze designed by London conmen bankers. They bought unallocated gold, probably sold and leased, otherwise known as vault air. This is the same modus operandi seen before.

By entering into such contracts, the Bank of Mexico became an unsecured creditor of the bullion bank involved in the deal. The deep error was in trusting the London bullion bankers. They was duped into buying an unsecured bond that gives claim not on gold, but instead the general assets of the selling bank. Banxico is not exactly clear what it has bought. It is almost certain that neither legal title nor the actual bars of gold have been transferred to Mexico. Pressure will surely come to produce the gold bars from London sources. The Boyz will probably flash a few bars like stolen watches, owned by somebody else. As a central bank, Banxico should certainly take physical delivery. Mexico should tolerate nothing less. Selling imaginary gold to an emerging market central bank in a quasi-fraudulent unallocated storage scheme is a bold ugly move. But it is a specialty of London criminal bankers. Instead of owning a valuable gold asset, free from counter-party risk, Mexico owns nothing but paper and obligations to pay vault fees. Behind the curtain is a dead London bank posing as viable, entering into contracts, forcing cash flow, paying out executive bonuses. The selling bank is likely insolvent, playing out fraudulent games before declaring bankruptcy. Many of the LBMA banks were kept alive solely by generous government bailouts from their national governments. They have constructed a daisy chain of liability and fraud. Many analysts believe that if one such insolvent bank officially go bust, perhaps they will all go bust. The process will turn to the bullion bankers running scams being compelled to buy gold in the market or to obtain it from a big source like Basel Switzerland. Unallocated gold in storage is a mere claim to unspecified gold in the future, not held in possession. In the end, top Mexican officials will force delivery, and the conmen will drive up the gold price in a scramble to avoid harsh publicity. Unfortunately, often the ashamed victims wish to keep the crime quiet.

The top Mexican officials have been made aware of the swindle. They will next work to overcome any embarrassment. Mexico will demand that all physical gold bars be immediately identified and delivered into a vault in Mexico City. If wise, this demand will be made before the European sovereign debt crisis grows worse and takes down a string of major banks. As the financial banks topple, the gold bankers will follow in the destructive fallout. Upon great pressure, especially if the Mexican bankers enlist some heavy weight friends for assistance like the Chinese, the London bankers will be forced to scramble for delivery like they did with Venezuela, who had more professional consultants involved. The London bankers will turn Switzerland again. It will be extraordinarily difficult for the bullion bank to locate at source 110 tons of gold. The London Boyz are themselves desperately short on gold, multiples more short than even the gold community believes. The Western central bankers will be very angry for the formally placed request, and even more angry for the harsh light of attention. They are all acutely aware that they will likely need to recapitalize not only their ailing dead banks, but recapitalize the USDollar and Euro currencies. These new revelations, though late in coming, make perfect sense. The top Mexican officials will force the issue with motivation. The net effect from the forced delivery is going to be higher prices. Thanks to Avery Goodman of Seeking Alpha for his reported story.

◄$$$ GOLD E.T.FUND HOLDERS DID NOT BAIL OUT OF GOLD HOLDINGS DURING THE RECENT AMBUSH. THEY JUST SUFFERED LOSSES. THE GOLD INVENTORY LEVELS TELL A MISLEADING STORY. LEVELS DID NOT CHANGE DURING THE GOLD PRICE DECLINE, SINCE THE EARLIER RAIDS HELPED CREATE CONDITIONS FOR THE DECLINE ITSELF. THE DUST SETTLED. $$$

The ambush of the gold market in September caused much confusion. Resolving the murky situation with respect to the GLD fund, otherwise called the SPDR Gold Trust, is not easy. Not to integrate fraud in the analysis means the analysis is shoddy and worthless. Amidst the second largest gold selloff since 1983, it would be easy to conclude that small investors dumped their GLD shares. Many probably did, especially those on margin (using borrowed money). Consider the data. The gold price fell 10% in four days in late September. A major price correction took place. The biggest institutional holders of the SPDR Gold Trust were thought to be liquidated. The Paulson fund held 7.6% of the big shady $65 billion fund as of June 30th, data show. However, the physical gold holdings by the SPDR dipped only 0.8% during the sudden decline, despite prices falling by as much as 15% over that period before rebounding.

The story told is that GLD shareholders did not bail out during the decline, since the inventory levels were steady. That misses an important point. The abusive management of the GLD fund relies heavily on shorting its own shares, removing inventory, and supplying it to the COMEX and LBMA. That makes the gold price vulnerable to decline. The shorting and raid took place BEFORE the price decline. After it declines, the damage is done and the inventory levels do not change, obviously. It is not a sign of investor fortitude and resilience as much as permitting the dust to settle after the fraudulent raids on inventory in previous months that created the conditions for the decline. The GLD fund remains the biggest fraud in the precious metals sector of the stock market. The movements by Paulson were on paper, like shares sold, not with metal in inventory already raided a couple months prior.

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post Oct 31 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(nemoexcel @ Oct 31 2011, 12:01 PM)
nothing wrong with Gold.. it has everything to do with the dollar... BOJ is hoarding the dollar in their stem to weaken their Yen. Thus, every dollar pairing gets affected, that includes XAU/USD, the gold pairing

buy in dips.....
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post Nov 2 2011, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(buysell @ Nov 1 2011, 10:38 PM)
It's up USD170x/1oz now. doh.gif WTH is going on with gold this days, crazy! rclxub.gif
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Why dont you ask Quinn? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2011, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(nemoexcel @ Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM)
easy, then dont use the leverage... pay USD1740 to buy 1 oz of gold....

I wld rather use USD40 to buy 10oz of gold... once gold up by USD10, i'll have USD100 in pocket . that can be in a matter of hours... of coz, the reverse  is possible like u said.. so keep yr gearing as safe as u can handle the risk...

where? for those interested, PM me if u :-

1) have enuf investment experience (gauge yrself).. sorry, i dont wish to teach kindies
2) holds principal credit card with limit > RM8K (to fund your account)
good luck......
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Those who think of using margins to trade will find out that the Gold bull is pretty violent at times.

Never use margins on this Bull......dont find out the hard way nod.gif


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post Nov 3 2011, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(mingophoria @ Nov 3 2011, 09:50 AM)
wa.... tempting people to go physical?
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Arent those babies BEAUTIFUL? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Jutawan @ Nov 3 2011, 05:46 PM)
Beautiful vs wealth? Which more tempting you?
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Beauty is the essence..........Value is the consequence biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 8 2011, 01:18 AM)

i worked in a bank and my job revolves screening a lot of private banking and high networth customer top call and offer further product under us. I have watched a few hi profile tan sri, dato and even low profile wealthy man hold gold investment account since 2008, 2009 and leave it till dormant (more than 500g-2000g-14000g) and their value rite now is almost double.  ihave watched 1 tan sri hold 900++ gram since march 2009 back when the price is only rm110 per gram wif total investment bvalue at that time rm100-102K and now the current value its already rm154k++ in just a space of 2 years and 7 months time. thats spectacular returns...
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i am no tan, sri, tuk, or anything and since 2002 i hold as much if not more than what you mentioned..... biggrin.gif
Its not about who or what buys gold and hold.
For all you know these geezers may be only holding a drop pf their assets in gold like 2 to 3%.
Doesnt really tell you much....

Points of gold are

a) Why are you buying? - cos some olde geezers who can afford to lose their 10000g of gold has some?
b) Whats driving gold?
c) Whats gold? nod.gif

KNOW what you are getting into.............
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http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2...web8940958.htm



Global Piracy & Counterfeiting Consultants Calls Chinese Counterfeiters Producing Fake Precious Metal Coins a Global Epidemic with Potential Disastrous Consequences
The Global Piracy & Counterfeiting Consultants is calling counterfeit U.S. Silver Dollars, precious metal, coins, or bars, or counterfeit gold coins, a global economic train wreck waiting to happen, courtesy of the Chinese. Ten percent of China's gross domestic product is related to counterfeiting, and the Global Piracy & Counterfeiting Consultants fears the problem is much worse than anyone knows. The group says, "We have read about one Chinese counterfeiter openly bragging about producing 100,000 fake U.S. Silver Dollars per year, and that's just one counterfeiter. At this point, we are telling all investors of gold, or silver coins, and or any type of precious metal bar to only buy from a reputable U.S. dealer, that has an established track record, and a money back guarantee. We fear this Chinese counterfeit gold, or silver coins, or bars, could be a multi billion dollar a year business, and we greatly fear many innocent investors could be taken to the cleaners. Apparently, many of the Chinese counterfeit is of such high quality coin dealers, or experts have to weigh, and use various high tech testing methods to determine if the coin, or precious metal is legitimate." http://GP-CC.Com
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We fear this Chinese counterfeit gold, or silver coins, or bars, could be a multi billion dollar a year business, and we greatly fear many innocent investors could be taken to the cleaners. (PRWEB) November 07, 2011

The Global Piracy & Counterfeiting Consultants is saying, "We fear the Chinese coin, or precious metal counterfeiting industry is pumping out so much product, we are now advising all coin, or precious metal investors, or collectors to stay away from Internet auction web sites, flea markets, estate sales, and only deal with reputable coin, or precious metal dealers, that have been in business for at least a decade, and dealers that specifically offer a money back guarantee for their products." The group says, "Based on our research some of the Chinese counterfeit coins, are of such high quality, it is not uncommon for even experts to be deceived. We think its smart for every investor to have gold, or silver, our big worry is pretty simple, what if they invest 10%, or 20% of their net worth in what are counterfeit precious metal coins, that are basically worthless? We would call this a disaster for the investor, and out big fear is there are probably tens of thousands of investors in the United States, who have been duped. Even worse, once again for all intents, and purposes the U.S. Federal Government is a no show-once again." http://GP-CC.Com

Global Piracy & Counterfeiting Consultants says, "The world needs to come to grips with the largest counterfeiter in the world, the fact that 10% of China's GDP is a direct result of counterfeiting. If it's not knock off pharmaceuticals, that can kill people, it's high tech smart phones, or electronics. Our new worry is pretty obvious related to Chinese counterfeiters bankrupting innocent precious metal, or coin investors, with what could be their life savings. At what point do consumers in the United States, Europe, Japan, or the rest of the world say no thanks to any more Chinese products, given its uncaring attitude about flooding the global markets with counterfeits, or fakes?" http://GP-CC.com


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post Nov 9 2011, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(xproc @ Nov 9 2011, 11:29 AM)
he said 2500 Posts not 2500/oz...
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Methinks they are watchin the POG too much.......... nod.gif
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post Nov 11 2011, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(PatEagle @ Nov 11 2011, 04:33 AM)
You forgot to mention, should you choose to sell your gold back to Genneva at the end of the tenure, Genneva buys back your gold at the same price you bought at. No spread, no admin charges. No hidden fees. You get your capital back in FULL. View http://www.genneva-world.com/v2/index.php?...w=article&id=85

So how can you be "paying yourself" when you get the hibah every month and get to sell back at purchase price? In addition to that, you hold the physical gold throughout the tenure.

And here's a clearer picture:

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BTW, the site you mentioned above is not credible. That page is clearly anti-Genneva to spin, spread rumours and to instill fear that the company will close shop anytime. Be warned, it might take you a full day or more to read all the comments there.  whistling.gif

Feel free to PM me to make an appointment to visit our office to get first hand information.
Also learn more about Genneva Malaysia at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1888957

Cheers and have a blessed GOLDEN day!
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Like the guys says:
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YOU ARE PAYING YOURSELF


As for the buybacks, the OTHERS ARE PAYING FOR ANY LOSSES BY THE COMPANY........ nod.gif

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