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 Buying Gold As Investment V3 - $1950?, Gold rush brings windfalls and warnings

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prophetjul
post Sep 23 2011, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Sep 23 2011, 01:47 PM)
I figure the low 1600s would be a good entry point, maybe around 1630 level?
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based on what?

we are not looking at numbers from the skies..
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post Sep 23 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Sep 23 2011, 01:51 PM)
Based on the current movement, and based on the fact that there is an unfilled gap around the 1670 level.
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yes. i agree with the gap fulfilment at around $1670. thanks
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post Sep 24 2011, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 21 2011, 07:38 AM)
One day in future, it will swing daily $100 each way...........  nod.gif


Added on September 21, 2011, 7:43 am
Past few months?  Go look at 2008......  biggrin.gif

$1000 DOWN to $681  nod.gif

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This recent rise in gold sees a Fib retraction of 61.8% to $1645

From a gold sage:

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Market situations like this will be found to have held and created bear traps in several instances of similar pattern action over the past 30 years WITHOUT having continued further down to first major support. The current corrective pattern over the past 23 trading days strongly implies that the move below $1690 would continue on down to the core at $1665 at minimum as first bottom, and in the extreme to $1615, but not below $1584. This will happen prior to exhaustion and a return to the full bull trend.

So far the remaining successive levels of $2450/$2510; $2850/$2900, and $3280/$3330 are not affected.


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post Sep 24 2011, 08:20 AM

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CME Group Raises Comex Gold Margins By 21.5%, Silver Margins By 15.6%

23 September 2011, 4:55 p.m.
By Debbie Carlson
Of Kitco News
http://www.kitco.com/

(Kitco News) - The CME Group is raising the margins needed to trade Comex gold and silver futures are being increased by 21.5% and 15.6%, respectively, and the change will take effect after the close of business on Monday, the exchange said late Friday in a press release.

The exchange is also raising copper futures margins by 17.6%.

The move by the CME Group to raise the margin needed – also known as performance bonds – to trade gold, silver and copper futures on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange comes as prices for the metals plunged during the past two days as part of a sell off in financial markets in general. The CME Group is the parent company for the Comex and Nymex.

The CME Group raised margins in other markets on Thursday and on Friday it also announced higher margins for long-term U.S. Treasury bond futures.
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post Sep 26 2011, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(Quinn @ Sep 26 2011, 01:23 AM)
What Does Risk Management Mean?
The process of identification, analysis and either acceptance or mitigation of uncertainty in investment decision-making. Essentially, risk management occurs anytime an investor or fund manager analyzes and attempts to quantify the potential for losses in an investment and then takes the appropriate action (or inaction) given their investment objectives and risk tolerance. Inadequate risk management can result in severe consequences for companies as well as individuals. For example, the recession that began in 2008 was largely caused by the loose credit risk management of financial firms.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/riskmanagement.asp

Now, I believe many of the investor here do not look at charts. Thus, I'm going to share with you a very simple method to manage your risk by just looking at price.

1. Every time the gold price makes a daily new high, take note of the price. (eg: $1800/oz)
2. I have decided to use my risk factor of 5% (please determine your own factor) to determine my cut off point (eg: $1800 x 5% = $90/oz). This means if the price does drop below $1710/oz, I am going take what ever profit/losses I have.

This method will help you to ...
i) cut loss when you are wrong (cut loss can means profits or losses)
ii) maximize profits when you are right

This method weakness ...
i) This will work very well if you bought gold at a very good position.
ii) If market is going to move sideways such as in 2008, you will loss a lot of money instead.

My disclaimer ...
i) Trade at your own risk using the method i just shared.
ii) Read i) again!

Thus, I still suggest to learn a little bit of technical analysis. Even simple moving average can help to make a good trading decision.

If you want to be successful in the business of trading, you have to take the time to gain the education and experience and make your own decisions. Sounds like every other business doesn’t it?
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good points on risk management.

This depends on whther you are a short term trader on the asset class that you are looking at.
This again depends on your character....whether you are emotional or rational type.

As for me i have not traded my physical gold since i first bought in 2002. i have accumulated along the
way during weaknesses.
Albeit some of the accumulations may not always be the perfect timing, my basis of this
is that i Believe that gold is in a long term bull trend till the basic fundamentals of gold changes,
that belief will remain.

However, i do trades on my paper gold occasionally.
Maybe once every six months or so as gold tend to hit a periodic high within those periods.
So in this case, you do need some technical skills, not that i am very good at that!
Some knowledge on RSI,MACD, bollinger or Fibonacci will help some.

So far its been quite rewarding helping me with some 27% yearly returns.


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post Sep 26 2011, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Sep 26 2011, 10:48 AM)
Nonsense, who tell u that?? Your friend is a SVP of the commodities division of Morgan Stanley or what? How can you claim to know any tipoff or whatever....baseless rumors.

Mind you, I'm not saying it won't drop further but your fearmongering is not doing this forum any favors.
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Its Morgan Stanley who are manipulating the mkts, its JPM............look at the shorts they are holding on PMs.
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post Sep 27 2011, 11:26 AM

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This cut loss thingy is gonna cost these sheeple aplenty....

The moves in gold will cost these type plenty in that they will be WILD and rclxub.gif

These type are gonna be attracted when the price runs up, buying high and

SELLING on the low violent swings calling this CUT LOSS..

Well you are going to be forever doing that!
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post Sep 28 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(buysell @ Sep 28 2011, 03:10 PM)
Understand the chart. What kevyeoh said is right. Gold only gain much after 2006 due to inflation.
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Funny i bought in 2002 and have been doing pretty well

Prices of 1 oz kijangs

Year ------start--------end---------year-------- total
------------price--------price-------returns-----returns since 2002

200 1122 1387 23.62% 23.62%
2003 1396 1678 20.20% 49.55%
2004 1676 1766 5.37% 57.40%
2005 1716 2057 19.87% 83.33%
2006 2070 2367 14.35% 110.96%
2007 2385 2952 23.77% 163.10%
2008 2932 3200 9.14% 185.20%
2009 3239 3669 13.28% 227.01%
2010 3669 4445 21.15% 296.17%

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post Sep 29 2011, 08:23 AM

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DIZZY YET? brows.gif

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post Sep 30 2011, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(mbj78 @ Sep 30 2011, 11:54 AM)
I am still remember about my blog posting on 5th Sep 2011 (at that time GOLD PRICE reach at USD 1900/Oz) which I qoute from another website... regarding the topic ofWHEN SHOULD YOU SELL YOUR GOLD??? People mentioned this as an idiot conman and rubbish statement. But if WE (including myself) follow the advice, we could get some profit.

And today, we must wait for the gold price to reach at USD2000/Oz and the target date still DOUBT? but those who follow the advice, I am sure now he is getting more profit and can top up more gold to his pocket.
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This is what i wrote

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What rubbish is this? Bottom out in matter of days and hours? Look at the chart for past year.......
Then he tells you to sell? How to sell when it bottoms and swings upwards so fast??????
He contradicts himself!



Its obvious this idiot conman is trying to get you to sell yer gold to him/her


The above statement is a contradiction. If you dont understand that, go get an English lesson.


He advertised

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If you are hanging on to your old gold jewellery, gold scrap, gold coins, or other gold items, unsure of whether or not to sell them for cash, then don’t wait too long – you may be disappointed with your cash return. Gold is selling at historic highs at present, but no one knows when the price will start dropping. By selling your gold now, you can take advantage of these high gold values. If you wait, it may be too late.


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The most convenient and easy way to sell your gold is through an online gold broker. Using an online gold broker to get cash for your gold eliminates the need to search for a reputable local gold broker, which may be difficult to find in smaller markets and rural areas, while also saving you time and money.

Selling your gold to an online broker is a safe, secure method of getting cash for gold while the value of gold is still high. It’s as simple as contacting the gold broker, requesting a gold kit, and dropping the insured mailer in your mailbox. The gold broker will then give you an appraisal for your items, and if you decide to sell, the broker will then make payment for your gold.



When someone asks you to sell his jewellery and yer golden pans to them, you can be sure
he will quote you scrap gold pricing....meaning very lowwwwwww

So yes, its for idiots. Its been happening in USA.....people selling scrap gold for 50% below spot. nod.gif

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post Sep 30 2011, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Sep 30 2011, 02:14 PM)
wow, bro, you are taking it very personal. not a good way. doh.gif

Why must you people arguing on a topic that helps us earn money.  sweat.gif

Try post something beneficial please, what can you gain from flaming other's post  doh.gif
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Its not flaming when i feel someone is trying to take advantage of someone else.
This guy is trying to get people to sell off their jewellery reasoning that gold is high.

Many schemes offer very low prices. But of course if you bought yer jewellery at Rm25 per gram,
selling at Rm90 p gram seems very good. Only that spot prices are like Rm160!

There are manya schemes doing that......just trying to warn.
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post Oct 2 2011, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(SilverfoX @ Oct 1 2011, 10:48 PM)
Why do people still believe in these investment banks after GFC. We all know their predictions are always off the mark.
Really don't understand.
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you are right that they are always off the mark.

Normally they underestimate the price of gold.......... nod.gif
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post Oct 3 2011, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Oct 2 2011, 04:16 PM)
This thread is slowing down after price drop...
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People are busy buyin..............
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post Oct 3 2011, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(hongchai888 @ Oct 3 2011, 09:19 AM)
I dont understand why gold price keep increasing as USD also increase.
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Means both assets are being aquired
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post Oct 3 2011, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 3 2011, 02:18 PM)
I check 2001 Kijang emas price is RM1000.
Now is RM5000.

If I bought 5 kijang emas at 2001 at RM5000, now I have RM25000.

Imagine if I bought 25 or 100 kijang email.. fuiyoh....
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biggrin.gif i bought 500(i think....) 1 oz kijang emas in 2002 tongue.gif fuiyoh(whats fuiyoh?)
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post Oct 5 2011, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Oct 4 2011, 06:47 PM)
kinda stupid rule for them to only tax on silvrr coins. maybe i will get gold bars and silver bars for the moment. plus some paper gold and silver too. lol
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i agree why tax gold COINS and not bars?

Coins indicate numistatics while bars indicate commercialism. they should be taxing commercial
exrensions not HOBBIES!

BUT we are in msia........... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 5 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Oct 5 2011, 08:15 AM)
exactly... but i think u meant silver coin. not gold. lol...
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Yesssss... iam a goldnut...... tongue.gif
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post Oct 10 2011, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(buysell @ Oct 10 2011, 01:50 AM)
hmm.gif So what you said is everyone here should shut up and listen to you then? Look who's running the show now? Good luck with your attitude. whistling.gif I can show this face to you too.
You still here? Hah! whistling.gif
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Why are you on Quinn's a$$ all the time?

At least he brings the technical aspects of gold not like many here who give nuthing cept mush...like

"gold gonna go higher..........or isssit gonna go lower.........or is that sideways........

$1600, $1700, $1770,..............whatever................"

Qualify yer statements and amke an arguement rightly or wrongly
put some thoughts and be a better fisherman
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post Oct 14 2011, 08:19 AM

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we have so many impatient speculators here ........... rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 21 2011, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Oct 20 2011, 09:53 PM)
This is a forum, my reply is not meant for you only.

When you can invest smartly and enjoy the benefit, why waste it on being in denial and keep bank on the notion that in n years time, you will get back your profit when you can get it back without waiting that long?

News and technical analysis alone does not give you the whole picture where gold is heading.

Since gold forum v1, I have learn from forumers here to trade smart, if you are smart enough to come online, then I am sure you have the ability to think,research and make proper judgement.

Gold can be bought with money but when gold's value drop, you cant eat your gold can you? Everyone can see for themselves the volatility of gold.

To newcomers trying to invest on gold, don't always give yourself the excuse that "after n years, I can recover the lost".

Trade smart,not blindly.
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=bigwolf:Posted Yesterday, 11:18 PM

For me I only invest in gold long term with money that I can afford to lose. For those that I can't afford to lose, I put into safer & less risky investments. I'm not a smart trader coz I'm not that smart, period  That's because for all I know, by trying to trade smart I might end up keep on buying high and selling low and losing even more money. Hey, although can afford to lose, its still better to profit than lose ma

Therefore, I shall hold and wait for that "n years" to recover the loss. Unless someone can show me a better alternative that's worth enough to even liquidate my gold holdings at a loss now?
Some points

First of all, i am not smart........it seems the smart ones do the tradingin/out frequently.
i am not smart.
i have been holding gold since 2002, not a single oz sold.

My friends were smart. They traded out of gold and never went back.
They traded into gold and got stung by 2008...............some sold, some held.

If i was smart , i be in the stock mkt rather than gold, cos i be making tons of $$$$ trading in/out

i cant afford to lose on gold either. Half my assets are in gold/gold related assets.....cant lose them....


so HOW? rclxub.gif

a)!st and most important ?Why are you in gold? There are many many other assets classes out there.
Are you here because its the flavour of the season?

b) Next what do you know about gold?

c)Why do you wanna lose money in ANY assets? Go back to a) & b)


e)Why sell when price is depressed? Did you make a mistake? Go back to a) & b)

f) Are you a offthehiptrader or longterm horizon investor? Go back to a) & b)

Confused yet?

Thats gold for yer......... biggrin.gif




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