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dreamer101
post Jan 19 2012, 11:11 AM

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Folks,

Once upon a time, I made a VERY SIMPLE and ACCURATE statement about living in ANY country.

If you can make multiple times the average citizens in that country, you will live very well.

The same applies here. Aka, living in Australia. If you can earn a few times the average people of Australia, you will do fine.

Now, if you earn average and / or below average, you will not have a good life in Australia. For some people, they have the ability to earn multiple times the average people for multiple countries, in that case, they will do fine in all those countries.

Some Malaysians migrated to Australia and they can longer earn above average income. Hence, they have a bad life. Others do not have that problem. Hence, they are doing fine.

It is THE SAME all over the world...

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P.S.: In summary, if you want a good life, do not be AVERAGE. You have to be ABOVE AVERAGE.

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 19 2012, 11:15 AM
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post Jan 20 2012, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 20 2012, 08:18 AM)
Thats true everywhere in the world.

Say if you are earning in excess of 300k pa in Msia, would one be able to
find a similar job in Oz?
i have scanned through some job sites, the best offer for a civil engineer is around AUD250k, with averages of AUD180k.
How would that compare with the Msia salary wrt lifestyle and costs of living after taxes?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...l%29_per_capita

prophetjul,

You do not get the ESSENCE of what I am saying...

The per capita GDP (nominal) for Malaysia is USD$8,617. If you earn RM300K in Malaysia ~ USD$100K, you are 100K / $8,617 = 10 times the average people.

In Australia, per capital GDP (nominal) = USD $67K ~ AUD$67K just to simplify the comparison. If you earn AUD180K, you are just 2.5 times the average people. If you earn AUD250K, you are just 4 times the average...

Strictly by life style and financial point of view, RM 300K will get you a better life style as compare to average people (10 times) in Malaysia than the AUD180K and/or AUD250K (2.5 to 4 times ) in Australia.

This is the same reason why a retired British civil servant could barely survive in UK but could live very well in Malaysia.

In almost every country, the tax system is designed to make sure that people earning the AVERAGE pay the most taxes. If you earn multiple times the average, you do not need to worry about tax.

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post Jan 20 2012, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 20 2012, 09:53 AM)
i do understand what you meant.

BTW i think you also mean average earnings per capita instead of GDP which is gross domestic production.
Gross domestic product (GDP) refers to the market value of all final goods and services produced within a country in a given period

i dont think its a strict maths comparison as taxes, medical etc comes into it. i think the net earnings is probably more
accurate plus afew other indicators.

Taxes in Msia is different. Note the number of tax payors in Msia is actually very few compared to working pop.
As i undersatnd like only in excess of 1 mil compared to 8mil working pop.
So in essense the av income earners do not pay the taxes in Msia. Its borned by the high income earners.
USD8600 = RM26k will not attract income tax.
Just my understanding..can anyone verify this?
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prophetjul,

<<USD8600 = RM26k will not attract income tax.>>

You have a VERY NARROW view of tax. Just calculate how much a RM26K person pay for a car because of the car import duty. How many percents of the income go towards car??

The SYSTEM is designed to get the most TAX REVENUE from average people. It has to for a SIMPLE REASON.

A) That is the LARGEST number of people in the country

B) The below average people has no money and cannot survive

C) The above average people are

i) Too few to matter

ii) Too hard to collect with their lawyers, accountants and so on...

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post Jan 20 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 20 2012, 10:31 AM)
Dreamer

You do jump to conclusions vert fast! 
i am only replying to your comments based on av income p capita........

So let me be curt as well.......   rolleyes.gif

NO ONE forces you to buy a car ................ END of.

i also mentioned there are other indicators as well.........

Too hard to collect is a bad excuse.........

next questions for you before you give more qualitative comments

a) data for the statistical distribution of the tax paid vs the income earned

b) the data for the statistical distribution of tax payors or non

c) others
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prophetjul,

1) Can a person earning RM26K live an average life and save money??

2) Can you name all the hidden tax in Malaysia?? In this broader definition, tax = government revenue. Given that 50+% of KLSE are GLCs and GLICs, all their incomes and losses went to the government too.

3) How much of your income went to GLC and Government??

Dreamer

P.S.: Do you have to buy a car in order to be "taxed" by the car import tax?? The answer is NO. When you use somebody's car (taxi ) and buses, they passed their costs to YOU. Ditto on lorry and so on... The cost of lorry affected by import tax is passed on to you with higher price...

P.S.2: In Malaysia, the GOVERNMENT run the economy. You pay regardless of what you do.

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post Jan 20 2012, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 20 2012, 02:41 PM)
Thanks for the clarification.

No my intention is to find out more about working in Oz.
Whther its worth it to abandom a Rm300k salary and start over.

Anyway, you have a good journey. Bon Voyage!  Drive safely!      nod.gif
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QUOTE(extremepower @ Jan 20 2012, 03:27 PM)
IMO, not only pay 300K is only the reason. I think 300K is very good already.

Some may want to migrate because of discriminations, job satisfaction, friends, family, security, future for their kids, environment like air quality, food quality, etc.
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extremepower,

+1

prophetjul,

Based on what I said, you probably get an EQUIVALENT lifestyle between Australia and Malaysia since you will earn multiple times the AVERAGE people income in both countries. So, the reason to leave or stay has to be something else.

In my case (no I do not want to live in Australia), I consider staying in Malaysia as UNACCEPTABLE. I BELIEVE that Malaysia is heading towards Total Economy Collapse in a few years if not sooner and it may NEVER recover. Hence, for the future of my family, we must get out of Malaysia.

Many people in my community shared the same belief. Hence, even for those with good business and job in Malaysia, they sent their children oversea and has a backup plan to get out of Malaysia if needed.

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QUOTE(maxmillion @ Nov 24 2013, 08:51 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/13/...N0H927C20130913

<< In October, gas importers in Japan and Korea will pay more than $15 per million British thermal units for shipments of liquefied natural gas (LNG), compared with under $10 for importers in Britain and less than $4 for importers in the United States, according to the U.S. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.>>

<< Costs would range from $6 to $10 per million British thermal units, depending on how much the gas could be bought for originally and the project's assumed rate of return, according to Attanasi and Freeman ("Commercial possibilities for stranded conventional gas from Alaska's North Slope" June 2013).>>

maxmillion,

Australia and Malaysia are the 2 largest Natural Gas Exporter to South Korea and Japan. In the near term, Natural Gas export from USA will impact both countries.

If you are interested in geopolitic stuff, I highly recommend that you check out www.stratfor.com .
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