QUOTE(Value-Price @ May 4 2014, 10:17 AM)
Sounds very interesting to me. I got a different experience of engineering industry in Australia from you.
Point 2:
On outsourcing, I think that our Indian or Asia office (except Bangkok and Manila ~ I have to rework their design for them) have done a very good jobs. We manage to win and deliver a few projects by partnering with our overseas office. With outsourcing, I think there are mixed of good and bad apples. I still remember my first RC frame design job. The drafter were based in Manila. I mark-up the drawings and wrote "delete general notes". One day later, the drawing came back and there is an additional note below the general note that say "delete general notes". At that moment, I feel like slapping the drafter.
But again, coming back to the cost issue. A drafter in Manila might charge only AUD 20 per hour (I can't remember the exact figure) but a Australian drafter charge-out rate is about AUD 100 or above. Theoretically, if timeline is not an issue, he can rework for 5 times and still cheaper than it being done in Australia. If big consulting firm start to seriously invest in training our overseas counterpart. I think it is only a matter of time that more jobs are sent overseas.
Point 3:
Yes. AUD 220 is quite expensive for young graduate. I start out with AUD 180. After the year end performance review, my manager decided to give me pay rise and increase my charge-out rate to AUD 220. Jump 2 category in that process. Honestly, I don't think I deserved it although I have made significant technical progress in my first year of work. With this new charge out rate, my utilization fall to an all time low. I wasn't selected to be part of the project team for few of the new project. Any idea what I can do in this circumstances?
Point 4:
Seems interesting. Are you in the structural space? Mind to share exactly what new technical works that your are doing?
Point 5:
I have speak a number of senior engineers both in Malaysia and Australia. There are currently more projects and learning opportunities in Malaysia. A few of our practice leader were relocated from UK and AUS to Malaysia & Indonesia.
Apart from learning opportunities, I don't see myself doing well in Australia 10 years from now. As a young engineer, I might have the technical abilities to do the current job I am allocated to. But 10 years down the road, as I progressed slowly from graduate to senior engineer, there is pressure or expectations for you to win project for your organisation. To win projects, you need to have a strong relationship with client. I believe this will be the real problem for most of the migrants (or me at least). To develop strong relationship, you need to have a common topics. Given that I am not born in Australia and not interested in for example Australian football, is hard for you to build good friendship with your client. If I can't build a strong relationship, I can't win project and ultimately I will reach the stagnant phase of my career.
P.S: I have tried to build relationship with my client. I watch AFL every weekend and tried to read more on Australian culture to ensure there is a common topics. My efforts paid off and last week, I manage to win a small 50K project for my office

. But this is too time consuming. If I am in Malaysia, things will be a bit different. We have more common topics and easier to build that solid relationship. I have seen how my uncle and my father done it. To quote from Peter Ducker, "One should waste as little effort as possible on improving areas of low competence. It takes far more energy and work to improve from incompetence to mediocrity than it takes to improve from first-rate performance to excellence".
I am very interested in hearing more from you. It very exciting to see people having a different perspective. I would like to know more about the technical work that you do and at your level, how you manage to win work and bring in project for your organisation.
2) The issue I find with outsourcing is it takes up my time as well. I want to work with people I can trust, i.e. I don't have to pay close attention to the work you generated. Unfortunately, none of the outsourced work I've seen convinced me otherwise.
People get paid a lot of money for their thinking, not for adding up a few numbers. So outsourcing works when it's repetitive task that doesn't require critical thinking, but nothing more than that. I've had to clean up mess of others who decided to opt for the cheapest solution. I'm pretty sure they learnt their lesson.
3) Normally, a higher rate is sustainable as that's applied to experienced engineers, who get called in to do all the heavy thinking, and leave the ironing of the details out to the younger engineers.
I don't know your exact situation, so I don't want to send you down the wrong path. For a start, I would talk to my manager about this, and you have to do more in less as well (that's how a senior justifies their rate, as I can do the same thing in 30 minutes compared to someone in 1 hour).
4) I'm in a specialist discipline, not structure. I've seen the structural engineers in our office pioneered a new construction method, and others using CLT for a mega building.
5) That's exactly the issue. It's much easier for UK / Aus -> Malaysia / Singapore than the other way round. There are competent engineers in Malaysia, but they are a minority and they suffer from branding issue.
If I'm in your shoes, I'll keep an eye out on oversea posting. There are loads of opportunities in Middle East, and also emerging in EMEA. In the future, the new breed of engineers will need to be internationally marketable and oversea posting/secondments will be very valuable experience.
6) People in construction industry values people who can get things done on time, on budget and of an above average quality. Once you've demonstrated this to your client, they'll just keep coming back to you (if you price your fee appropriately of course). You'll see that the lion share of fees are generated by a small number of key clients.
I suck at making small talk, I don't drink, I don't like sports or keep up with trendy stuff. I get by positioning myself as a go-to person when things get too complicated and they just need it sorted. You'd be surprised at how fast people can remember you when they need to get things done.
All in all, think of yourself as a product, and how you want people to remember you.
This post has been edited by Geminist: May 4 2014, 09:31 PM