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Hello All

I have a few questions regarding Australia which hopefully someone of you can help me with.

1) There is apparently quite a huge demand for engineering consultants in Australia, is that what you are seeing there?

2) In terms of salary, Google tells me an engineering consultant with 6 years of experience takes home about $100,000AUD a year, is this a reasonable figure?

3) For tax, I got a figure of about 30% off your gross salary, again is this about right?

4) What is the living expenses like in Sydney, assumming a normal lifestyle? For example a single bedroom/studio apartment in a decent area not too far to city, no binge drinking/smoking/partying, maybe a small car, dining out a few times a week in a normal restaurant.



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annielee, divine061 and hihihehe, thanks for the repllies.


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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Dec 28 2012, 10:28 AM)
The office is in Newington. Should be suburb I suppose? I will be given a company vehicle which can be used privately.

I've never lived overseas before so it's very difficult to foresee my expenses.
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I live on my own in Sydney. To give you an idea on my expenses per month:

A one bed flat in Balmain - $1900
BUPA health insurance - $230
Home insurance - $30
Internet and mobile phone - $130
Public transport - $100 (I cycle to work)
Utilities - $100
Food - $800 (I eat out quite frequently)

If you're on 457, for tax purposes you are considered as a resident, i.e. you pay the same tax as everybody else.

Also very crudely, your net salary is about 73% of your gross salary (excludes super and other deductions).

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Jul 4 2013, 09:37 AM)
Again, don't take this as a given..... Australia are one supposedly one of the western country with the longest working hour...

I do receive emails during weekend and in the middle of the night and many ppl work till 8-9 every day too... Not as common as Malaysia, but it is not as rare as you think.
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Depends on your profession, you sometimes work crazy hours.

I've done 80 hours week, and sometimes I have to work until 8 or 9.

The upside is most large companies would allow you to take a taxi home, and if you're found to work long hours, you can take some time in lieu off.

Nonetheless, it's not all rosy 9-5pm. The hours are comparatively longer than UK.


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QUOTE(natsu_dragneel @ Jul 20 2013, 03:00 PM)
i will pursue my study in aust or uk..but im intend to work abroad for a year or two to cover my study loan..i already calculate the amount to study in aust in way expensive than in uk..different around rm100k..but i can work easily after graduating..ist true??because i dont want to waste my money if i cant work in aust after graduating..

and i heard its very hard to get a job in uk for foreigner..if i study in a top uni in uk will it be easy for me to get a job in aust??
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In UK, there will still be fierce competition even if you graduate from a top university. The government explicitly made in very difficult for non-EU grads to get a visa / job. If you want to go to UK for the sake of studying and not looking for a job, then do go ahead. If you're going to UK with the hope of getting a job later, it will be a very very risky gamble.

I'm surprised by the difference though between Oz and UK as in UK a good engineering MSc would cost £23-£25k a year.

In Oz, it also depends on the length of your studies. If it's going to take four years for example, a lot can change in this time, similar to what the UK government did a couple years back.
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QUOTE(Soony @ Jul 22 2013, 03:19 AM)
All the best man and remember to understand the format. It's the most important thing rather than your usual english grammar stuffs.
Good advices up there but I would love to add some stuffs on. For engineering marks are not everything, you need to have a great balance (shown in the resume). For example, vacation work, part time work, volunteering work and even extra cocu. I still think we should all give the big dogs a shot as they will hire international more often than the smaller companies. I managed to land a graduate work a few months ago (whilst still studying in university) with some big OnG company as an international student.

If anyone here requires some proof reading on the resume you're free to have some feedbacks from me.
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Funny you should say that. Half of my company consists of foreigners, mainly pommies. All the engineers on my team are foreigners and we even recruited graduates from across the ocean. Almost all our hires come in via network / word of mouth. You should try and speak to your university supervisor / professor to see if they can hook you up with any contacts they have.

Also, remember to set up a LinkedIn profile. It's quite widely used in most places around the world, and I know our recruiters certainly look you up on LinkedIn prior to interview.

With your CV, remember to tailor it to the specific position you're applying for, and remember to make sure it's explicit that your CV is tailored and not a generic one that you spam to every company. A trick I used was to name your CV, Geminist_CV_2013_Company. Back your CV up with examples, and not generic words. For example, don't just say you're a team player, give an example why you're a team player etc.

Good luck.

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 2 2013, 12:00 AM)
Yeah, i think shouldn't be picky now. Getting a job ain't easy here. I think construction now is slow here.
When booming time, my friend told me they won't even ask u too much question as they need people they'll give u. When industry in deep shit, they'll give u watever shit reason.
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Perth is unfortunately a bad place to be when it comes to the construction industry. Even in places such as Sydney where things more or less stabilised, companies are still adopting a no-hire strategy and are just in the process of consolidating the various disciplines. As it stands now, the no-hire strategy is expected to extend into 2014.

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QUOTE(annielee @ Sep 9 2013, 11:33 PM)
are you referring to the Graduate Visa ?
If yes, this is the list of recognized institution..
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It is interesting to discover that Cambridge, Oxford & Edinburgh are missing from the list for UK.

QUOTE(Soony @ Sep 10 2013, 02:27 AM)
Yeaps I understand but the living cost in Malaysia is so much lower and the most important thing is the food =( Not sure how I'm going to stay in Australia for the next 10 years =(
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One of the best things about living in a different country is experiencing the culture, food, lifestyle and everything there. One would question what is the purpose of relocating if once relocated, we try to retain our existing lifestyle instead of experiencing something different?
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QUOTE(Value-Price @ May 3 2014, 12:54 PM)
I graduated from G8 unis in Civil & Structural back in 2012. I managed to get multiple offers and choose to join a large consulting companies even before I graduated. My advise is to work hard and be the best student in your course. Job market is tight but the best student will definitely manage to get multiple offers.

P.S: I have decided to resign and leave Sydney by the end of this year and return to Malaysia. Australia is not as good as you think. Limited opportunities. When I just graduated, I am attracted by the big salary Australia has to offer. But, the biggest motivator in life is to be given the opportunity to learn, to contribute, to grown in responsibilities and to be recognized. I have seen a lot of people wasted their time in Australia just to chase the elusive Australian dream. Is just not worth it. If you have the substance, you can succeed in Malaysia as well.
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Not to talk down your achievement, but it's worth noting 2012 is a good year to be looking for a job in Australia smile.gif

I'm not sure what you meant by limited opportunities. Certainly compared to Malaysia, Australia offers much better chances.
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QUOTE(LightningFist @ May 3 2014, 03:31 PM)
well done

best student in the course is a bit of a stretch for most people... im in a different field and really struggling even with solid grades and corporate experience

how do u think it will be in Malaysia?
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Even as a best student, you'll still need to differentiate yourself from the rest of the pack. There are lots of best students graduating from top universities every year.

What sets you apart is how you present yourself. I've seen mediocre CVs from top students, and above average students with a shinning CV. Companies are normally looking for adaptable, and fast learning graduates. What have you done outside your time?

I keep in mind 'going the extra mile' when hunting for job and it seems to have worked out well for me over the years. Sell yourself on something different smile.gif

Good luck!

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QUOTE(Value-Price @ May 4 2014, 12:22 AM)
I graduated in 2012 and start working in 2013. Anyone in the engineering industry will tell you that is tough to get a job in 2012. If you google "engineering redundancy", there is a lot of big consulting companies making redundancy in 2012 and 2013 (post-mining boom). Number wise, out of 220 graduates, only 30+ managed to secured a job. Only 5 of them are international students.

In regards to economic prospect, Malaysia is certainly better than Australia (in Civil & Structural Engineering at least). The problem with Australia is people are being paid too much and their productivity & talent does not justified their paycheck. That is precisely why all the car manufacturer shut down their plant in Australia. There is no real economic output from Australia. The only thing that keep Australia afloat now is education and migrants bringing in money to Australia.

Due to high cost, many of the large consulting companies outsourced their work to their overseas office. My charge-out rate per hour is AUD 220. My colleague in Malaysia (graduated from G8 unis as well) have a charge out rate of RM 100 ringgit. This means that he is "6 times more cheaper than me". Hence, engineers in Australia nowadays seldom do the design work. They only do the client facing role and package the work to be sent overseas. Working in Australia hampers my technical development. You only do project management and simple technical calculations for small projects. All the big and interesting stuff was designed overseas. 20 years from now, Australia won't have a strong engineering workforce (*discount migrants from overseas).

As if why Malaysia or Asia collectively is better, I will reserve that for my next post. Running out of time, need to head out for dim sums with friends. TA.
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It sounds to me you might have joined the wrong consultancy. I've spent 8 years working in UK and Australia, and done work in Middle East & Europe as well in the construction industry, so I have a fair exposure of what's going on.

1) I got poached from UK back in 2012 to Australia, and there was hiring all around. The real cut started to come in on 2013. But if you have the right skill, there is still position to be found even today. What I did notice was we hired mostly foreign graduates as they all came with recommendation from contacts we have in universities.

2) You are definitely not speaking for all the engineers. A lot of the design work are still being done from Australia, and Australia is even doing more design work for overseas project these days.

The whole issue with outsourcing sounds great to the bean counters, RM 100 vs 220 AUD, but if you look at the quality of the work, and the amount of re-work that needs to be done, you'll see it's mostly a stupid idea unless the task is repetitive.

We've had a whole load of issue with this when work came back all wrong, and more time have to be spent to check things.

3) A 220 AUD charge out rate is overly high for a graduate. It's no surprise if project managers are reluctant to give it to you. 220 AUD is normally the rate for an experienced senior.

4) I've done new technical work since I've moved to Australia, so there are new things to learn.

5) I really do think you're putting yourself at a disadvantaged by going back to Malaysia, but that's your choice smile.gif

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ May 4 2014, 11:46 AM)
The higher ups especially in banks do not give 2 hoots about that. They usually hire another team of people to check and re-work it if necessaary and it will still be cheaper than paying an aussie to do it.

Further, these managers are judged solely by how much they have saved for their company.
Think about it. You go to a shareholders meeting and say "look we have boosted our Net Profit by 20% by shaving off 50% of staff cost" would sound a hell lot better than "Net profit was flat becuase cost were higher led by staff salaries and wages despite the better quality of work.". You think the shareholders gives 2 hoot about the quality of work as opposed to the bottom line?
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I have not worked in a bank so I don't know in all honesty. As far as engineering goes, rework and mistakes can be clearly seen when built, so it means delays and lawsuits.

In the construction industry, the engineers generate the revenue and the bean counters don't. A good management will take action when enough noise (and pending lawsuits & penalties) have been made. Otherwise, people will just move on. Good engineers are surprisingly mobile and are constantly in demand.

It is no surprise that repetitive task gets outsourced, so I made sure to keep picking up skills & experience that aren't easily outsourced, or automated to an algorithm.
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QUOTE(Value-Price @ May 4 2014, 10:17 AM)
Sounds very interesting to me. I got a different experience of engineering industry in Australia from you.

Point 2:
On outsourcing, I think that our Indian or Asia office (except Bangkok and Manila ~ I have to rework their design for them) have done a very good jobs. We manage to win and deliver a few projects by partnering with our overseas office. With outsourcing, I think there are mixed of good and bad apples. I still remember my first RC frame design job. The drafter were based in Manila. I mark-up the drawings and wrote "delete general notes". One day later, the drawing came back and there is an additional note below the general note that say "delete general notes". At that moment, I feel like slapping the drafter.

But again, coming back to the cost issue. A drafter in Manila might charge only AUD 20 per hour (I can't remember the exact figure) but a Australian drafter charge-out rate is about AUD 100 or above. Theoretically, if timeline is not an issue, he can rework for 5 times and still cheaper than it being done in Australia. If big consulting firm start to seriously invest in training our overseas counterpart. I think it is only a matter of time that more jobs are sent overseas.

Point 3:
Yes. AUD 220 is quite expensive for young graduate. I start out with AUD 180. After the year end performance review, my manager decided to give me pay rise and increase my charge-out rate to AUD 220. Jump 2 category in that process. Honestly, I don't think I deserved it although I have made significant technical progress in my first year of work. With this new charge out rate, my utilization fall to an all time low. I wasn't selected to be part of the project team for few of the new project. Any idea what I can do in this circumstances?

Point 4:
Seems interesting. Are you in the structural space? Mind to share exactly what new technical works that your are doing?

Point 5:
I have speak a number of senior engineers both in Malaysia and Australia. There are currently more projects and learning opportunities in Malaysia. A few of our practice leader were relocated from UK and AUS to Malaysia & Indonesia.

Apart from learning opportunities, I don't see myself doing well in Australia 10 years from now. As a young engineer, I might have the technical abilities to do the current job I am allocated to. But 10 years down the road, as I progressed slowly from graduate to senior engineer, there is pressure or expectations for you to win project for your organisation. To win projects, you need to have a strong relationship with client. I believe this will be the real problem for most of the migrants (or me at least). To develop strong relationship, you need to have a common topics. Given that I am not born in Australia and not interested in for example Australian football, is hard for you to build good friendship with your client. If I can't build a strong relationship, I can't win project and ultimately I will reach the stagnant phase of my career.  

P.S: I have tried to build relationship with my client. I watch AFL every weekend and tried to read more on Australian culture to ensure there is a common topics. My efforts paid off and last week, I manage to win a small 50K project for my office smile.gif . But this is too time consuming. If I am in Malaysia, things will be a bit different. We have more common topics and easier to build that solid relationship. I have seen how my uncle and my father done it. To quote from Peter Ducker, "One should waste as little effort as possible on improving areas of low competence. It takes far more energy and work to improve from incompetence to mediocrity than it takes to improve from first-rate performance to excellence".

I am very interested in hearing more from you. It very exciting to see people having a different perspective. I would like to know more about the technical work that you do and at your level, how you manage to win work and bring in project for your organisation.
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2) The issue I find with outsourcing is it takes up my time as well. I want to work with people I can trust, i.e. I don't have to pay close attention to the work you generated. Unfortunately, none of the outsourced work I've seen convinced me otherwise.

People get paid a lot of money for their thinking, not for adding up a few numbers. So outsourcing works when it's repetitive task that doesn't require critical thinking, but nothing more than that. I've had to clean up mess of others who decided to opt for the cheapest solution. I'm pretty sure they learnt their lesson.

3) Normally, a higher rate is sustainable as that's applied to experienced engineers, who get called in to do all the heavy thinking, and leave the ironing of the details out to the younger engineers.

I don't know your exact situation, so I don't want to send you down the wrong path. For a start, I would talk to my manager about this, and you have to do more in less as well (that's how a senior justifies their rate, as I can do the same thing in 30 minutes compared to someone in 1 hour).

4) I'm in a specialist discipline, not structure. I've seen the structural engineers in our office pioneered a new construction method, and others using CLT for a mega building.

5) That's exactly the issue. It's much easier for UK / Aus -> Malaysia / Singapore than the other way round. There are competent engineers in Malaysia, but they are a minority and they suffer from branding issue.

If I'm in your shoes, I'll keep an eye out on oversea posting. There are loads of opportunities in Middle East, and also emerging in EMEA. In the future, the new breed of engineers will need to be internationally marketable and oversea posting/secondments will be very valuable experience.

6) People in construction industry values people who can get things done on time, on budget and of an above average quality. Once you've demonstrated this to your client, they'll just keep coming back to you (if you price your fee appropriately of course). You'll see that the lion share of fees are generated by a small number of key clients.

I suck at making small talk, I don't drink, I don't like sports or keep up with trendy stuff. I get by positioning myself as a go-to person when things get too complicated and they just need it sorted. You'd be surprised at how fast people can remember you when they need to get things done.

All in all, think of yourself as a product, and how you want people to remember you.

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In Sydney, $300 for a studio will net you a really dingy place. If not, it's probably a scam that ask you to pay huge amount upfront.

For a decent place, you're looking at $350 minimum, and if you want somewhere near to CBD, it's going to to be $450 minimum. $450 is a good budget to get a decent place. You could consider places like Balmain, Summer Hill, Camperdown, Glebe, Rozelle etc. Just find somewhere close to train station and you'll be alright.

Don't forget staying on your own means internet, contents insurance and utilities, which can cost you around $200 per month.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 3 2014, 01:47 PM)
If you want to finish work on the dot, there's no place like oil and gas. Working the field for more than your allowed time is grounds for dismissal due to safety laugh.gif

In my old workplace I used to do 8 to 3 lol. Days off were whenever you bloody wanted em. Most times the boss would say fark it, we won't take it out of your annual.

But of course your home you go home to is a small room in camp though tongue.gif
100k is pretty good if you're single in Sydney. Generally you're looking at 75k take home and with that you can get a 500k house on loan, of course you'd be shooting about 3 grand a month but hey it's an investment.

You're working for an engineering consulting firm right? Thiess? Monadelphous? Aecom? How's the work like? Do they pay more if you have CPEng?
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I particularly enjoy the culture where I can go out for a coffee in the morning and afternoon, and nip to the gym in the afternoon, and have some flexibility with my work hours.

That said, overall I work longer hours as I'm still responding to emails etc when I'm outside the office. It's not an issue though as I have controls over my time so it's not stressful,even if I have to do that.

It's one aspect of Australia that I really enjoy compared to UK.

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QUOTE(underGr0und_8 @ Apr 8 2015, 10:45 PM)
Gents, i have a situation and would like to seek for advice. I am going to relocate back to Malaysia and will be working from home. But my salary still issued from my Australia office.

I am currently using CurrencyFair to transfer money back to my Singapore account/Malaysia account. So it is not a problem for me to get the money.

The problem is with the tax, so to which country i should pay my tax ? Australia or Malaysia ? and if paying to ATO, what is the usual rate ?

and ya, i am holding Visa 457.
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You'll need to speak to your company or a tax agent. Note that I'm not an accountant, but has been in similar situation before.

There is the question of whether you are an employee or a contractor. Assuming you're a full time employee, if your salary is issued from Australia, you will be expected to pay Australian taxes.

Where it gets complicated is what are you doing in Malaysia. If you are purely working on Australian projects, i.e. your presence in Malaysia does not contribute to your income, then the matter should be more straightforward. However, if your income in Australia is derived from you working in Malaysia (and you are working for extended period in Malaysia), then you will have to pay Malaysian taxes as well.

Countries tend to have tax arrangement between each other, so you'll have to work it out to ensure you don't end up paying too much taxes.

The last time I had this situation, my company had to get an accountant to file my taxes for me.




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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Jul 30 2015, 11:13 AM)
Any CPEng here? Got some enquiries for Aussie system.
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CPEng here smile.gif
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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Jul 31 2015, 03:41 AM)
Engineers Australia is the board managing CPEng? There is MRA between Engineers Australia with IEM. IEM member can become Engineers Australia member = MIAust = CPEng and vice versa MIAust also can be considered as PEng Malaysia through MIEM?
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Yes but some conditions apply.

http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites...m_june_2015.pdf


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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Jul 31 2015, 04:18 AM)
Thanks for the info. There is some MRA that give member status, and some give CPEng status. For those who get member status, still need to go through another process to apply CPEng (mean interview and exams)?
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Does this agreement cover Chartered Membership?
Yes, the agreement with IEM does cover Chartered Membership. Chartered Membership can be
obtained using the attached application form. Applicants must have qualifications recognised
under the Washington Accord or recognised qualification with 7 years practical experience and
at least 2 years in responsible charge of significant engineering work and also provide evidence
of continuing professional development (CPD).
Applicants should approach IEM for confirmation of their current membership. This
confirmation should be submitted with the completed application form


It's slightly confusing as the MRA with some institution covers membership only, and not the PE status.

If you are chartered in Malaysia under IEM, then yes the Chartered Membership can be transferred but subject to the conditions above including having a recognised qualification and with 7 years of experience with 2 years in charge of significant engineering work.


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QUOTE(Angelpoli @ Sep 14 2015, 06:48 AM)
anyone can shed a light on this? thanks.
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457 is a skilled visa. It's intended for companies who are willing to sponsor and are not able to recruit the required skills locally.

The key is finding a company willing to sponsor you, and you're not filling an unskilled position, e.g. office admin.

We got a graduate in using 457 a couple years back.

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