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post Feb 12 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 12 2013, 05:53 AM)
I was working with a consultants which originate from UK. As malaysia policy is that you have to establish with local company to protect the locals to have their job seize. The directors has to be local, implement 30% bumi somemore. So the whole company with a foreign company name with chinamen management. They squeeze us till dry. Even if you're earning RM10k in malaysia, how many hours have you spend with your love ones.
BAsed on research, we cut out sleeping and working time, we shall spend at least 5 hours with our family each day. I don't know have we met this standard. I know i can't if i'm still in malaysia.
To be honest, even i didn't get PR, i will still take all opportunities to venture overseas. If this coming election still BN wins, i definitely leaving the country for good. I don't wanna waste another 5 years to this corrupted government.
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Let me give the counterpoint then. I started working in MNCs in Malaysia more than 6 years ago. You can't run away from having evening/night calls in an MNC but my colleagues have always been very supportive of my personal time so work life balance is excellent. I know enough people in these MNCs who are paid RM10k and above and can be home by 630pm to spend time with their families, I'm one of them.

There are choices on both sides. I'm not overly negative about Malaysia but I'm not overly positive about Australia either, I guess for many of us we have choices which is more than what can be said for many other people around the world.

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post Feb 14 2013, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(pcychen72 @ Feb 14 2013, 07:03 PM)
clearly the system is so wrong in malaysia. managers paid like celebrities but brain work like a...i'm speechless.
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You've obviously not worked anywhere else biggrin.gif It's the same in many other places in the world.

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post Feb 21 2013, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 21 2013, 01:41 PM)
I did research on what is the reason Oz employer not employing based on following reason:-
1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??
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Not hiring is too far ahead, most people aren't even called or shortlisted for interviews. If you're called for an interview then you've done better than 98% of applicants already biggrin.gif

Not having an australian phone number may be one possibility.


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post Feb 21 2013, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Feb 21 2013, 08:11 PM)
Finding a job in Oz is not as easy as in Malaysia. Each cover letter needs to be tailored for each application. You would need to put in effort in your resume (precise and brief). In fact, your cover letter needs to strike a deep impression in order for you to just get shortlisted by recruiter or employer. After that, you would need to communicate fluently in English and able to express your opinion accurately.

My spouse went through the entire job seeking process. She has to modify her resume several times and write cover letter for every single application before having someone replying to her application.  rclxub.gif
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If you did that in Malaysia or anywhere else in the world then you'd get much better jobs, not the typical run of the mill jobs everyone else gets. Don't follow the crowd, lead it.


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post Feb 21 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Feb 21 2013, 06:43 PM)
I think you don't need to be australia grad to get a job there.. just read up more on their culture and be aware of what's happening over there.. for example if you meet recruiters/interviewers, make some small talk after the "formal" session is over.  That would make ppl remember you, haf a good impression, and also show that you are comfortable communicating and talking to ppl.

Cover letters are so so so important.  It is said that western countries look at your cover letter first, then your CV (which typically should be 2 pages, and brief).  I heard of a story before as well someone sent in their resume in a SHOE!! just to make their CV noticeable, out of the stack of hundreds of CVs lying on the employers' tables.

Please also proof read your cover letter and CV.  One typo or mistake and you are out!  So ask ppl to help read thru as well.  English is very important!

These are job application skills that many of us malaysians don't have.. bcoz our system is so different....
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It's not the Malaysian system that's different, it's the mentality. I find that the typical Malaysian manager hires the typical worker that looks/acts at a bit lower level than them because they're afraid that the new worker will be better than them and the manager gets fired.

The atypical manager hires someone better than them so that the new worker can take over the manager's old role and the manager can go to bigger and better roles.

If you apply to the good jobs in Malaysia all of the cover letter and CV rules apply as well. These are jobs in management consulting or PE/VC or investment banking etc.

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post Apr 16 2013, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Apr 16 2013, 09:40 AM)
Now no longer able to apply for PR directly right ? Have to apply using skill select and will only be notified / invited. Am I right ?
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Yes, you need to be invited to apply once you go through Skillselect.

Go talk to an agent, the first consultancy is free and he/she can explain the whole process for you before you decide to do it yourself or through an agent. Alternatively there are plenty of resources on the web explaining the process as well.

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post May 2 2013, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 1 2013, 05:33 PM)
I'm sure many here have relatives and friends that have migrated here to great land of Boganistan. Question is, does anyone know anyone who migrated back?

I just need to know how hard it is to get back to work in a Malaysian working environment. I've spent my working life here and am somehow apprehensive about going back, but I'm looking at making the move back to KL or to Singapore.
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I personally know people who came back (yes more than one!). I've personally done it myself although after more than a decade in the US.

It's not hard. Maybe I've been lucky but the work environment I've been in has been reasonably respectful and stress free. Yes I worked for an oil major, and am working for another not so major energy company now.

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post Jun 3 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Jun 3 2013, 03:47 PM)
I believe you worked in the US for like 10 years before you came back. Then, you also applied for PR to go to Oz. What's your take/reason from migrating to Oz then ? Thanks.
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Good question, the trigger was sometime in 2008/9 I think me and my wife decided that we were bored of working/living in Malaysia so we decided to apply for something else and the Aussie PR was reasonably easy to get. Compared to the UK, Canada and the US, Australia was then booming in the industries I was interested in (energy) with decent weather and access to Malaysia.

But I haven't migrated (yet?) because the Aussie economy is now tanking, plus I will have to put a lot more effort into getting a higher paying job in Australia since I'm already making decent money here. I'm also a bit turned off by the kampung attitude by some Aussies but that doesn't seem to be a major issue in the major cities.

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post Jun 10 2013, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 9 2013, 02:50 PM)
I have been using English daily in these 4-5 years including 2 years in my workplace but is just the writing part i hate the most. Email(replyat least 50 emails per day) is the tool that we use in the workplace but I still can't do well in IELTS. Probably not creative enough to write the given topic? Or probably I am more confident typing using keyboard instead of holding pen
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Writing vs typing does make a huge difference, particularly in terms of flow when you have limited time. You do need to use English daily not just in your workplace however in my opinion, looking at what you wrote above is already an indication that you're not up there yet grammar-wise. Hope you did ok over the weekend.

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post Jun 10 2013, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(sendomike @ Jun 10 2013, 05:58 PM)
I was hoping to work for around a year or so before starting to look for jobs in Australia.  Do you think one year experience is sufficient? I am currently a project coordinator in IT Infrastructure.  Was thinking of getting a CCNA cert after my probation period is over smile.gif
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Google up the points system to see how much your experience is worth, but to summarize 1 year experience outside Australia is worth nothing and in general more is better.

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post Jun 14 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 14 2013, 06:47 PM)
There's a big huge challenge like securing a job and totally starting all over. If not for the sake of children, migration is not an option.
I don't want end up working on odd jobs forever even though their pay is good.  hmm.gif
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When you say for the sake of the children, what do you mean? Education? Lifestyle? Weather? Money? Thanks.

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post Jun 24 2013, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 24 2013, 10:13 AM)
During my speaking test, i dont see any single local examiner. All of them are angmoh girl who do the test.
As a tips given, keep on talking to the examiner until they ask you to stop. They don't test how much know, they're testing how good is your expression and language skills.
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I took the test in KL, had a local examiner I think, nice Indian lady, and she basically told me to continue talking even though I thought I was done.

The writing is definitely the most difficult for me, first because most of us, myself included aren't used to writing on pen and paper so you need to plan your way well. Second is that I tend to write a lot biggrin.gif

Practice and practice, speak english until you can think and dream in english biggrin.gif The accent to me matters less, vocabulary, articulation and sentence structure matters more.


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post Aug 17 2013, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Aug 15 2013, 11:36 AM)
I did a pre-assessment walk-in with a registered agent in Subang, and they quoted a little over 9k RM in their fees (payable mostly in advance/the early stages of the migration process)  blink.gif
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RM9k is the more or less standard amount. When I first looked at it 2008/9 it was already around there.

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post Mar 19 2014, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Mar 15 2014, 09:45 PM)
Working in malaysia is working like a cow or donkey and pay peanuts. They expect you to work free. I got this ex-boss who keep on calling me during weekend and i never picked up. Even on overseas also keep on calling me. A$$hole.

2) you won't earn much money here. the more u earn, the more they tax. Let say u work 2 jobs, ur job profession paid 50k & part time job is 20k, u'll kena tax over the threshold. end up u'll miserable when major of ur 2nd job doesn't really earn much. Unless they pay cash
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Some people get exploited in Malaysia, very true. However there are plenty of high paying jobs out there. Go look at the salary bragging threads biggrin.gif

For #2 it's tiered as already mentioned so you pay extra taxes only on the extra $20k not all of your $70k.

The question is how much extra does one have to make to maintain a similar living standard. If you make RM60k in Malaysia and then earn A$60k that's already a huge jump. If you make RM300k in Malaysia will you have to earn A$150k or even more to have similar standards?

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Mar 19 2014, 02:07 PM)
to make RM300k from RM60k is a huge jump but to make from $60k to $150k is not

you can live very comfortable with either RM300k in Malaysia or $150k in Australia.

just a manager/senior manager position in australia already can make $100k+ easily
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That's not answering my question. My question is more towards cost of living ie. how much do I need to maintain the same level in Australia vs. Malaysia. Some of the calculators on the internet show that cost of living in Sydney/Melbourne/Perth is double that of in an expensive part of KL. I've been to Sydney, Melbourne, Perth but only as a tourist over several weeks and those places are expensive.

I don't make RM300k but if we truly need double the salary to maintain the same standards then it does look pretty daunting...

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 14 2015, 07:59 AM)
So very true. Many middle managers in M'sia come here, expecting the same position, perks etc. Well, only in very specific situations (secondment, relocation etc). Otherwise u probably have a better chance of getting a job stacking shelves at Woolies or other low end entry level jobs.

Most ppl make the mistake anyway of migrating once they have est. their career in M'sia. Start young n build career here instead...otherwise prepared to blow away years of experience.
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I guess this is the biggest issue with migrating to Australia. I've worked in the Netherlands and the US where they actually do take into account previous experience and transferable skills even from Malaysia. Australia is pretty backward in this aspect.

The other option is to of course go for the unadvertised jobs, but this does take more time.


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QUOTE(segamatboy @ May 15 2015, 01:42 PM)
Before calling Australia backward. Does Malaysia accept  foreign experience??? Last year, someone in this forum  told me don't even bother to "come back" cause Malaysian employers don't accept foreign experience. The person also whined and complained that OZ not accepting Malaysian experience.
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If the primary goal for me is to migrate why would I compare Australia with Malaysia? I compare Australia with the other places I have options to migrate to eg. the US and in this particular aspect of "accepting experience from Malaysia/Singapore" I find Australia more backwards.

Work experience is work experience, there are transferable skills that employers can take advantage of and smart ones should recognize that. Admittedly I've not gone all out to apply for jobs in Australia but I've had my fair share of rejections already.

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Aug 19 2015, 03:09 PM)
I am confident enough to tell you 8 is no problem. I could even have got myself 9, if I wasnt in such a shit mood that day, and half asleep. I got 8.5 for the Listening part.

Can one la. YOu guys shouldn't doubt yourself so much. A bit of reading, practicing (conversational & writing), practice tests and you should be okay.
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Have to agree here, I think confidence plays a huge role, aside from practice of course. I got 8/8.5/9 too, 8.5 overall on the first try but I spoke english from way back then.

There's quite a number of practice sites out there where you can practice on skype with someone else taking IELTS. Problem is some of those people may be worse than you biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(normaron @ Aug 25 2015, 10:17 AM)
1. Career break 1
- Apply Master by research in Australia University (RMIT)

Please bombard me with your comments & advice  smile.gif
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Are you set in going to Australia only? If you're willing to do an advanced degree (Masters/PhD) and your field is STEM then the US has a lot of opportunities with potential for PR as well.

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post Sep 2 2015, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Sep 1 2015, 08:09 PM)
Yea, it depends. It's all about the 'who-you-know'. In Malaysia. Seriously. I got my current job not via a job advert, but because I know someone who works in the company and she happened to pass my CV to the person who looking for a candidate with my qualifications. Got lucky lah.
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Having worked in the US, Europe and Malaysia, all I can say is it's the same everywhere. I did my MBA at INSEAD and they teach about going for the hidden job market. I worked in NYC and it's still who you know particularly for the top jobs. Don't be naive to think that you can get away from this.


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