Doctors are in demand???

Malaysia has 32 medical schools and we are producing 4000 graduates since 2010.( correct me if I am wrong for the figure)

Doctors are overloaded and the medical schools are yet keep producing, many students are sent overseas for medicine either sponsored or self-sponsored.

Do visit Dr. Pagalavan website.

Medicine is healing a patient not help you living for 100 years.

All we want is quality not quantity.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 21 2011, 11:42 PM

28,620,527Malaysian in malaysia from http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index.php?lang=en
and how many babies are born each year? Everyone gets sick from one time to another.Do you think 4000 doctors each years is enough?Healing patient is for them to live longer right?For them to have a longer lifespan.=.=" living for 100years is just exaggeration.

This post has been edited by Applehead: Aug 22 2011, 12:09 AM

For a medical degree graduate, they have to become houseman before they are allowed to practice medicine.

Now, houseman must undergo 2 years internship and locate in the General Hospitals.

However, our country does not have so much posts in the hospitals and the specialists there are not enough to teach young doctors.

+ all the medical schools are not powerful enough to produce young doctors and they are for business.

Now, doctors are flooded in hospitals, how do those consultants and senior registrar train them??

When comes a day, where doctors have no more posts in the hospitals, they will be jobless.

Poor trained doctor can kill a patient instantly.

Experiences are important for a doctor, it is not something that you can learn at home.

Which do you prefer now??? doctors with good skills or a lot of doctors without good skills?

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 22 2011, 12:14 AM

to achieve the objective of the moh, to have 1 doctor for every 600 people, by 2010, msia needs about 4000 new doctors a year.......once that ratio is reached, msia only need 3000 new doctors a year to replace retiring doctors, and keep up with population growth........

at the current rate of production of 5000-6000/year, this target can be achieved by 2015 or soon after.......

you cannot turn off the tap just like that, and production will continue, and there will be a surplus of doctors........

even if we accept that we need 6000 students to enter medicine a year, and that there are 10,000 straight a's students in spm, that is more than enough good students, no need to take in people with b's......let alone c's......

We are reaching our target earlier and earlier.

If the government does not control the intake of medical students especially in private colleges, there will be surplus of doctors.

As you said not enough specialist,you have to first become a doctor to become a specialist right?If there're more doctor then the no of specialist increase more good quality doctor are produced .You mention there's lack of post for medical degree grad to do thier houseman then what happen to them?and Yah I have to agree some medical school are for business like many school.There wont be a day where there's no more posts in the hospital like someone mention above he don't want a doctor with grade c to treat him.Someone that rich that can buy his way into degree can open a hospital for him to work ,won't be jobless lah;).Experiences are important for a doctor i agree.And what do you mean by poor trained doctor .. doctor are suppose to be well trained .. Oh gosh .. Do you want a poor trained doctor to treat you?

This post has been edited by Applehead: Aug 22 2011, 12:33 AM

You know how many years you need to become a specialist??

If they have no more posts in hospital for houseman, then they will be jobless. EASY QUESTION

Open a hospital ??? Yes, if you are Bill Gate's son.

Doctors are supposed to be well trained IF there are enough supervision and adequate training from the consultants and senior doctors, now we are lacking them and yet the students are increasing.

Minimum four years right?
An easy question and you didn't answer it correctly not jobless they can go do research and other stuff you think people that study for that long is going to be jobless?
I didn't say alone,together we are powerful rich people can come together and open a hospital.
I can't say anything about increasing student,cause it's true but there's no way around it but just to set the standard of the entry requirement higher right? like what the government are doing now.
It would be right if i can say more well trained doctor are in demand right?
Agree?
What you're saying from the previous forumer is diffrent what he said what he's just don't want a doctor that didn't do so well in academic to treat him.And now you're discussing malaysia overloaded with fresh med graduate without experience .

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Added on August 22, 2011, 1:21 amJust read previous post.Like i said i didn't say student that got c should be able to get into med school =.=" I ask is there anyone retaking to change grade then get into med school isn't that a completely diff case? And Okay I now i said doctor are in demand is wrong.After looking at limeuu's reply.But Skilled doctor are in demand is correct right?

This post has been edited by Applehead: Aug 22 2011, 01:21 AM

What's with the flare?
Skilled specialists are always in demand, as long as you're good, you're hired. However, what sotong1992 trying to convey is also not wrong. There are an inflation of general doctors, without venturing deep into a specialty for the sake of their youth.
The minimum period for entry-level medicine is 6 years, with 3 years pre-clinical studies and 3 years clinical studies to obtain the degree. That does not include the housemanship or internship period needed to grant you a license. And, advanced standings are usually not granted for medical field as the medical schools understand that they do not need a path around it.
I've try to comprehend your defense, but I don't see any post relating on personally attacking you..

Ops really? then i must have think too much about it.When they use you you you i though they directly means me...

Minimum four years, one can become a doctor but it is rare, specialist need at least 15 years.

Research ???Everyone wants to do research and who have the priority to be hired ?? Doctors or those science courses graduate?? This is yet an unknown question.Remember it is doctors who are unable to get jobs and trying to pursue the others. However, there are many options yet for them to choose.

Even rich people gather and open a hospital, houseman still cant do their housemanship there as it is private hospital unless you are Malaysia government.

Yes, we need competent doctors but not a lot of incompetent doctors.

Actually, what you have said is not wrong, doctors are always in demand but not in Malaysia already. Specialists are in demand, more precise.

Last time, we have problem with not enough doctors.

So, build more medical schools and reduce the requirements or even send students overseas.

Now, our government is doing the other way.
Stop recruiting new medical schools and raise the standards.

The biggest problem is Malaysia medical degree is not recognized anywhere unless you are from UM and UKM. Only Singapore recognize them.

If one wants to take medicine, think hundred times, it is not easy as there are so many doctors. Things are different.

PS: I never said that your are going to take medicine. Sorry if you feel so.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 22 2011, 08:51 AM

i have a lot of problem understanding postings here, due to very bad sentence structures, bad grammar, and wrong use of words......and this is symptomatic of the general poor command of english amongst msian students....

msian doctor training suffers from 2 major flaws....

first, too many med schools have opened, without regards for quality, both in the syllabus, teachers, and students......the fact that all the new med schools are private, for profit businesses compounds the matter further, with intake of very academically weak students with money.....

this problem is compounded further by there being too many foreign med schools recognised (some 300 odd).....giving rise to a very large cohort of msians studying overseas.......about 1000 in each of russia and egypt......and another 1000 odd from indonesia/india/bangladesh/etc......

the 2nd major flaw is, there is no control over who these med schools select for their courses......therefore, they will admit as many as possible (and like cucms, MORE than they are legally allowed to), as every student is money......foreign 3rd world med schools will admit as many as possible, as they are very good source of income, and they are not cocnerned about the quality of students/eventual doctors, as almost NONE will stay back to work in these countries....

and since many very good, straight a's students are poor, and cannot afford the fees, they cannot enter, and weak b or c grade students with money gets accepted.....the new mmc rule is an attempt to correct this flaw.....

even the ipta med schools are flawed, in compliance with the nep, to take in more matrik students, many of whom are weak students with inflated marks.....

like i said, if you want to know how properly to select and train doctors, look at how spore/uk/oz select......and the calibre of students they have......no b grade student will even think about applying, let alone c grade......and a thread like this will not exist in their education forums.......

do u think u can make a difference by repeating the same thing over and over again? after so many years, you're doing the same. new and young ones will keep coming to this forum, and you'll repeat the same things to them.

isn't that the whole point....educate the young?

what would a teacher say then, every year repeating the same thing to new students......?

you don't have to come and read, since you have read it before....unless you have ideas to contribute.....

coz the routine for the past few years can be summarised like this:
1. student asks about an MBBS/MD course.
2. limeuu bashes: poor spm/stpm results, 3rd world country.
3. repeat and rinse.

although you're actually correct in most matters, it's not that "your students" are going to listen to it. if he's going to study in a 3rd world country university, he will go ahead no matter what.

or maybe you can write everything and ask the mods to stick it up.

paying for a medical degree is now a trend. like how every tom, d*** and harry can pay for an expensive dslr, iphone etc...

look at Applehead in this thread, and he/she will be a doctor. and even another hundred more of that standard. it's so convenient to be one.

So glad i posted this up ,having no doubt in not choosing this course now.Thanks for showing me why going 3rd world to study medicine is bad.

This post has been edited by Applehead: Aug 22 2011, 05:49 PM

The thing is... smart students with good results and have already done their proper research would not have to ask all these things. He/she will know all the pros and cons when dumping a lump sum of money to further his/her education..

Most people who come here and ask questions show quite obviously that they have done little or almost zero research at all pertaining to the course that they are interested to study.

nobody reads the top threads or the front pages.......

how many times have you seen people ask exactly what's already answered in front?.....

in any case, it's their life......if they want to dig their own graves, so be it.....but i have done my part in educating.....and at least this thread starter cannot claim ignorance now......

Woa..
But the truth is very simple.
Outstanding students with no passion do not belong to medicine.
Passionate students without outstanding intellect do not deserve to be in medicine.
Passionate and outstanding students are those we seek.
I'm very sure everyone agrees with the third. However, years after years, the second kept outplacing the thirds, and this imbalance is what we despise. Beyond the computer screen, Applehead might be an expert in the field he's passionate in, or might not be just good in testings. But we all must agree that these critical courses are to be ventured upon with caution of contamination.

Passionate + outstanding + right attitude are those we seek.

This post has been edited by sotong1992: Aug 22 2011, 11:54 PM