Where can I find ladder
Good quality ones
Any from UK? America? Or other countries
Want good ones or branded/ famous ones.
Expect to be rm200 above
Where in Malaysia can find?
Ladder, Not from china
Ladder, Not from china
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Aug 19 2011, 11:36 AM, updated 15y ago
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Where can I find ladder
Good quality ones Any from UK? America? Or other countries Want good ones or branded/ famous ones. Expect to be rm200 above Where in Malaysia can find? |
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Aug 19 2011, 01:03 PM
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want branded one
go places like ace hardware... |
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Aug 19 2011, 05:38 PM
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got mine from acehardware.. 5 step ladder..
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Aug 19 2011, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(airline @ Aug 19 2011, 11:36 AM) Where can I find ladder Last time brought 1 from handimart for rm600. Made in taiwan. From portable compact 2feet can extend to 18feet. Good quality.Good quality ones Any from UK? America? Or other countries Want good ones or branded/ famous ones. Expect to be rm200 above Where in Malaysia can find? |
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Aug 19 2011, 10:12 PM
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Ace Hardware and Houz Depot has quite a few ranges of ladders.
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Aug 19 2011, 10:34 PM
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Aug 19 2011, 11:58 PM
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my house one bought from ace hardware. i remember cheaper than outside shops sell and so far so good!
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Aug 20 2011, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 19 2011, 11:51 PM) Very strong. Use this ladder to paint my whole house double storey. Can put behind normal car boot when fold up.![]() When the ladder is extend from A fold. Guess can imagine how long when extend. Lazy to open it. ![]() |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 20 2011, 01:20 PM) Very strong. Use this ladder to paint my whole house double storey. Can put behind normal car boot when fold up. wow, this looks really good, save space and tough enough, will hunt for this type of ladder![]() When the ladder is extend from A fold. Guess can imagine how long when extend. Lazy to open it. ![]() |
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Aug 20 2011, 11:26 PM
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Now this type cannot get 600.
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Although I felt RM600 sound quite expensive for a ladder, but I think it is very convenient to keep and saves space. Sometimes I donno where should I put my 'bulky' ladder
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Aug 21 2011, 12:50 AM
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Look for a local made ladder ( I mean malaysia made) brand EVERLAS.. Good enuf
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You can try EVERLAS multipurpose ladder which 4parts foldable.. Similar as the above one but the locking part for EVERLAS is better and stronger..
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 20 2011, 11:26 PM) That is 13yrs old price. Added on August 21, 2011, 9:45 am QUOTE(leeyung @ Aug 20 2011, 11:33 PM) Although I felt RM600 sound quite expensive for a ladder, but I think it is very convenient to keep and saves space. Sometimes I donno where should I put my 'bulky' ladder When it can last for 13yrs till now, rm600 is worth. Compact ladder very hard to find and don't have much choice. This is the only ladder that can fit into my car boot. And I have to bring it between my new home and old home everytime I do something. Otherwise I got to drive a van. This post has been edited by ozak: Aug 21 2011, 09:45 AM |
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Yeah, handy mart also close for so many years.
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QUOTE(Kt0223 @ Aug 21 2011, 01:10 AM) You can try EVERLAS multipurpose ladder which 4parts foldable.. Similar as the above one but the locking part for EVERLAS is better and stronger.. anybody using the everlas "Multipurpose Ladder " ???http://www.everlas.com/1multipurpose.php how good it seem... feel like buying it cause of the "trestle" function.. sometimes some spaces are so "oddly sized", a normal ladder can't seem to do the job |
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strongman ladder..strong enuff for me
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 20 2011, 01:20 PM) Very strong. Use this ladder to paint my whole house double storey. Can put behind normal car boot when fold up. yeah this is the ladder my wireman used to install my ceiling fan which is about 15 feet high... excellent! At first I was thinking how on earth did he manage to install that fan..till he showed me that ladder!![]() When the ladder is extend from A fold. Guess can imagine how long when extend. Lazy to open it. ![]() |
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Sep 12 2011, 11:08 PM) anybody using the everlas "Multipurpose Ladder " ??? I got this, the 12ft when extend. RM 350.00 Think is old price @ Ara Damansara Hardware shop. DB @ SS2 selling around 400++.http://www.everlas.com/1multipurpose.php how good it seem... feel like buying it cause of the "trestle" function.. sometimes some spaces are so "oddly sized", a normal ladder can't seem to do the job |
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Can the Everlas Multipurpose Ladder able to fit a normal car boot?
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my 16ft Multipurpose ladder can fit into the boot when folded. cost about RM400++
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QUOTE(eastern @ Nov 2 2011, 04:00 PM) Not a problem. 12Ft fit ok even with one child seat behind. 14ft should be ok without child seat. 16ft not too sure,Added on November 4, 2011, 12:28 am QUOTE(birain @ Nov 2 2011, 04:17 PM) my 16ft Multipurpose ladder can fit into the boot when folded. cost about RM400++ Cheap, you got it this year? Last year i check the 12ft, is below 300.This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 4 2011, 12:28 AM |
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 4 2011, 12:27 AM) Not a problem. 12Ft fit ok even with one child seat behind. 14ft should be ok without child seat. 16ft not too sure, yup,2 days before CNY 2011 this year... Added on November 4, 2011, 12:28 am Cheap, you got it this year? Last year i check the 12ft, is below 300. very handy for painting or DIY like changing burn-out light This post has been edited by birain: Nov 4 2011, 11:50 AM |
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where you buy it?
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Hi,
All of you can try in my website. I'm supplying quality ladder and also brand strongman ladder as well. Please visit www.mtis.com.my Provide delivery as well. Regards, Mtis office:03-3326 2905 019-237 6118 |
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 19 2011, 01:03 PM) ace not really branded and quality hardware la bro.. last week brought 1 shower head with metal connector, after installed i tune the shower and the headcracked. cost me RM69 for the head only. Expensive thing for the cheap quality. Not even bother to complain to them. Wasting time. I choose to shop at houz depot. |
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QUOTE(ruffyfluffy @ Jan 16 2012, 11:35 PM) ace not really branded and quality hardware la bro.. last week brought 1 shower head with metal connector, after installed i tune the shower and the head well i was referring to brand names that is from the states and local... cracked. cost me RM69 for the head only. Expensive thing for the cheap quality. Not even bother to complain to them. Wasting time. I choose to shop at houz depot. what "brand" is the so called "shower head" you bought ? |
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 13 2011, 09:52 AM) yeah this is the ladder my wireman used to install my ceiling fan which is about 15 feet high... excellent! At first I was thinking how on earth did he manage to install that fan..till he showed me that ladder! Any idea how much is this now?Added on April 12, 2012, 10:52 am QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 20 2011, 01:20 PM) Very strong. Use this ladder to paint my whole house double storey. Can put behind normal car boot when fold up. Any idea how much is this now?![]() When the ladder is extend from A fold. Guess can imagine how long when extend. Lazy to open it. ![]() This post has been edited by qiyi: Apr 12 2012, 10:52 AM |
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someone pls enlight me.
so Everlas was the best locking brand in multipurpose ladder? im looking for 16 step/16ft so far i saw 2 type locking system. 1 is Everlas Push locking another one is like Press locking. Everlas 16 step pricing 4xx while the other brand was rm3xx. |
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Beside Everlast, there's still other reliable brands in the market just that most shops didn't carry.
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I intend to get a ladder for painting purposes. The problem is my staircase wall is around 18 feet high. Which type of ladder and its height is suitable? I prefer the 16 feet multipurpose ladder from Everlast but I worry its height can't reach the max height of the wall. Any idea? Btw, where can I get Everlast ladder. Most shops don't carry it.
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QUOTE(KaiCai @ May 23 2012, 09:01 AM) I intend to get a ladder for painting purposes. The problem is my staircase wall is around 18 feet high. Which type of ladder and its height is suitable? I prefer the 16 feet multipurpose ladder from Everlast but I worry its height can't reach the max height of the wall. Any idea? Btw, where can I get Everlast ladder. Most shops don't carry it. You don't need to get that high of a ladder. Get an aluminium pole which can extend. Either screw a roller on it or strap the brush on it. |
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tesco now promotion,
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QUOTE(KaiCai @ May 23 2012, 09:01 AM) I intend to get a ladder for painting purposes. The problem is my staircase wall is around 18 feet high. Which type of ladder and its height is suitable? I prefer the 16 feet multipurpose ladder from Everlast but I worry its height can't reach the max height of the wall. Any idea? Btw, where can I get Everlast ladder. Most shops don't carry it. you can pm or sent me an email @ ekltmc@gmail.com to me for the price for Everlas ladders. basically all kind of hardware n DIY shop items. thanks. |
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besides everlast any other reliable brands?
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 23 2012, 09:21 AM) You don't need to get that high of a ladder. Get an aluminium pole which can extend. Either screw a roller on it or strap the brush on it. How easy is it to use a pole + brush/roller to paint (especially the top edges of the wall that meet the ceiling)?. The height of my wall is 4.7 meters.Still contemplating should i buy a Double Extension Aluminum 12' Ladder (~RM360) or just use an long pole. |
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QUOTE(creativ @ Aug 17 2013, 08:15 PM) How easy is it to use a pole + brush/roller to paint (especially the top edges of the wall that meet the ceiling)?. The height of my wall is 4.7 meters. You need a steady hand. Still contemplating should i buy a Double Extension Aluminum 12' Ladder (~RM360) or just use an long pole. I did try before using pole and tie the brush at the end. With steady hand and sharp eye, can paint the edge that meet the ceiling. |
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I'm looking for a 30' ladder.
I've seen repairman with - i guess - 3 x 10' section which they extend. Not sure what brand. Any recommendation on brand. Pricing ? Thanks. |
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jan 2 2014, 09:37 AM) I'm looking for a 30' ladder. u can ask kamco.... they manufacture all sorts of ladder n alu products...I've seen repairman with - i guess - 3 x 10' section which they extend. Not sure what brand. Any recommendation on brand. Pricing ? Thanks. can buy straight from them at chan sow lin. This post has been edited by H2D: Jan 2 2014, 10:31 AM |
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Usually the big hardware shop sell, some don't keep stock and got catalog only.
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does anyone deliver?
i have a normal car, and quite sure a 30' ladder (even though divided into 3 pieces) does not fit the car.... thanks.... |
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Ok.
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i am looking for 10ft folderable ladder
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ozak,
the one you have is what brand? |
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maybe you guys can consider My Ladder
http://ladder.my/ Add RM10 for deliver charges http://www.lelong.com.my/winner-7-step-alu...6-03-Sale-P.htm |
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between winner and everlast ladder. which 1 will u all choose?
winner more exp than everlast |
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QUOTE(noien @ Nov 3 2015, 08:56 AM) If you looking for a compact folding A ladder, go to CT hardware at BP. They have sale for RM635. Fully extend 15'.The price consider cheap as last time found it cost around RM700+. The 1 that I brought 18yrs ago already cost RM600. |
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Between everlast and strongman ladder, which 1 is better for single sided ladder? Only looking those around rm80-130.
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QUOTE(kenloh7 @ Mar 5 2021, 12:10 PM) Between everlast and strongman ladder, which 1 is better for single sided ladder? Only looking those around rm80-130. single sided A-frame ladder (not single pole "telekom" ladder) ya?first select the range (whether home use only or commercial duty) dependng on your/crew weight and what you gonna do. for lightweight people (like me) I never bent the step on any ladder before. however for heavier people and if you are aircon ODU installation work (+40kg for >2hp) please get a commercial duty (130-150kg rated) one. otherwise the step from -- flat shape will become like u shape. I still have an everlas single sided A frame about 8ft in good condition, its quite old since the 90s. Steps didn't deform but again, I'm lightweight. Only complain the rubber feet on the non usable side tend to jam when closing (since day 1). Double sided A frame doesn't have such issue. I also bought a no name 11ft ladder for ceiling painting for ~130 or 140 in 2008. Last year I picked up a 16 step commercial dury everlas W frame (foldable 4 part telekom ladder or can be A frame 8 step), was thrown into dustbin, but I knew these were not cheap, since ppl throw away I brought it home. I got spare part from Everlas HQ and fixed it. W ladder resurrected This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 5 2021, 02:15 PM Attached thumbnail(s) gobiomani liked this post
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QUOTE(Builder_My @ Mar 5 2021, 02:00 PM) Double-sided Everlast sold by Mr. DIY is less than RM100 and muc solid than any single-sided sold by Strongman or Everlast. thanks, then i'll go for double sided ladder since it's heavier and safer. The 8 step single vs double is rm90 vs rm130 respectively.https://shopee.com.my/ORIGINAL-Everlas-Heav...7654.5056095223 is this 1 good? QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 5 2021, 02:02 PM) single sided A-frame ladder (not single pole "telekom" ladder) ya? Yup sis, A-frame 8 step (2meter) ladder.first select the range (whether home use only or commercial duty) dependng on your/crew weight and what you gonna do. for lightweight people (like me) I never bent the step on any ladder before. however for heavier people and if you are aircon ODU installation work (+40kg for >2hp) please get a commercial duty (130-150kg rated) one. otherwise the step from -- flat shape will become like u shape. I still have an everlas single sided A frame about 8ft in good condition, its quite old since the 90s. Steps didn't deform but again, I'm lightweight. Only complain the rubber feet on the non usable side tend to jam when closing (since day 1). Double sided A frame doesn't have such issue. I also bought a no name 11ft ladder for ceiling painting for ~130 or 140 in 2008. Last year I picked up a 16 step commercial dury everlas W frame (foldable 4 part telekom ladder or can be A frame 8 step), was thrown into dustbin, but I knew these were not cheap, since ppl throw away I brought it home. I got spare part from Everlas HQ and fixed it. W ladder resurrected Generally use for condo home usage like painting and changing lights. Ceiling height is 10ft and i am 6ft tall, so is 8 step ladder high enough? Haha you're indeed lucky picking it from a bin, would have costs RM300 onwards. But your place can store so many ladders? This post has been edited by kenloh7: Mar 5 2021, 02:22 PM ceo684 liked this post
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If it's for light or home usage, 7 steps is more than enough and easy for safekeeping. Your head doesn't need to touch the ceiling.
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QUOTE(kenloh7 @ Mar 5 2021, 02:20 PM) thanks, then i'll go for double sided ladder since it's heavier and safer. The 8 step single vs double is rm90 vs rm130 respectively. https://shopee.com.my/ORIGINAL-Everlas-Heav...7654.5056095223 is this 1 good? Yup sis, A-frame 8 step (2meter) ladder. Generally use for condo home usage like painting and changing lights. Ceiling height is 10ft and i am 6ft tall, so is 8 step ladder high enough? Haha you're indeed lucky picking it from a bin, would have costs RM300 onwards. But your place can store so many ladders? 8ft ladder minus the top two steps means n-2 is highest safe step. So 6ft ladder plus you're tall enough, I recommend 8 steps over a 7 step coz it will be comfortably tall enough for your 10ft ceiling for anyone else to use for high level work (painting, bulb change, DB box, downlight change) where the free hand still has something to hold on to (the ladder) Haha i have issue to store the super tall 11.5ft one almost scraping ceiling, so repurposed at my parents' place as a plant pot holder now So the W resurrected is used at my parents place for regular work. For me..at my own place I just keep one ladder, a 7step single sided A frame for my own place (10ft ceiling); 8step better for me coz i was using n-1 (bit dangerous) to tape off ceiling for painting with my 7step This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 5 2021, 08:56 PM kenloh7 liked this post
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 5 2021, 08:46 PM) 8ft ladder minus the top two steps means n-2 is highest safe step. So 6ft ladder plus you're tall enough, I recommend 8 steps over a 7 step coz it will be comfortably tall enough for your 10ft ceiling for anyone else to use for high level work (painting, bulb change, DB box, downlight change) where the free hand still has something to hold on to (the ladder) Haha i have issue to store the super tall 11.5ft one almost scraping ceiling, so repurposed at my parents' place as a plant pot holder now So the W resurrected is used at my parents place for regular work. For me..at my own place I just keep one ladder, a 7step single sided A frame for my own place (10ft ceiling); 8step better for me coz i was using n-1 (bit dangerous) to tape off ceiling for painting with my 7step you're blessed with a stewardess height ceo684 liked this post
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Careful with some ladders. Just yesterday my neighbor fell down from ladder when trying to change the led light because it didn't latch properly. He broke his one leg, now hospitalized.
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Mar 9 2021, 06:20 PM
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11,667 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Klang/Subang |
QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 9 2021, 04:50 PM) Careful with some ladders. Just yesterday my neighbor fell down from ladder when trying to change the led light because it didn't latch properly. He broke his one leg, now hospitalized. Oh noes!Usually, A frame ladder anyhow use also safer than the single I frame telekom ladder since A frame has 4 legs. The usual warning about do not overreach and do not stand on anything higher than n-2 steps apply. Also 3 point contact at any one time when climbing. So this is why (as per above) a ladder should be tall enough so that the n-2 step (highest safe step) has enough height for the intended work. https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/ladders/step.html has all the comprehensive safety rules when using ladders. This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 9 2021, 06:25 PM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Mar 10 2021, 11:53 AM
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i have been using ladder for so many years, never bother to read the labels...hahaha
I believe 90% of the house owners don't read the labels too...eheheheheheh |
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Mar 11 2021, 09:01 PM
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6th sense, you will know you went too high when you feel dangerous mahh
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Mar 12 2021, 01:20 PM
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11,667 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Klang/Subang |
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Jul 9 2024, 02:08 PM
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hi, what brand is having better quality everlast vs winner?
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