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post Sep 26 2011, 03:16 PM

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Panamy darn expensive to masuk sad.gif

I'm considering ARReit, since it fall the 0.85, which I think is a very good entry price, lets see if it falls further in the coming few days/week.

if sampai 0.80, i'll masuk kao kao..
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post Sep 30 2011, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Sep 30 2011, 10:56 AM)
I disagree. People should put a higher proportion in higher risk investments when they are young and then progressively move into lower risk ones as they get near to retirement.
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People have different risk appetites therefore different investment philosophies which pays off in different periods. Having a high risk investment mindset just couple of months back would have set someone back currently, while having a low risk mindset now would see one perhaps not gaining as much in the coming few months as stocks is looking to cautiously rise again.
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post Oct 13 2011, 05:00 PM

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I still targeting Tower Reit, I think it's quite underrated..
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post Oct 22 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 22 2011, 03:09 PM)
Is the Pavillion REIT IPO price 80sen or 88sen if we subscribe ?
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88sen bro smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2011, 03:00 AM

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For now, I'm skeptical about the Pav REITs, considering there are plenty other nice ones going around. But I will wait and check out the prospectus before anything else.

They are talking about a 7% yield, which is decent and certainly better than sunreit.
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post Oct 23 2011, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 23 2011, 04:56 PM)
hi all sifus,

new to this REIT, in fact, new to all investment related stuff...

looking forward to learn from u all..
even though i might be short of cash to start investment rightaway at this moment, still its better for me to start learning now...

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Firstly, plan your portfolio bro smile.gif
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post Oct 24 2011, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Oct 23 2011, 11:24 PM)
Prepare 20-30k to hamtam Pavillion Reit then.. smile.gif
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Wah, trying to keep others away from your nice goreng stocks are bro? tongue.gif


Added on October 24, 2011, 8:43 am
QUOTE(holybo @ Oct 21 2011, 07:08 PM)
So you recommended TWRREIT? 1.23 is a good entry?
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At that price, I do not think it provides 8% for your entry anymore, but it is still a solid one to own. I missed out on it few weeks back when it went into 1.19 sad.gif

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post Oct 24 2011, 01:47 PM

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Quite not worth it lo sad.gif
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post Oct 24 2011, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 24 2011, 03:18 PM)
thanks for the welcome, bro....

i dun think i have 20-30k at one go to hentam any REIT...
the initial plan is to get like batches of 5k to invest everytime....

and i have nothing in my portfolio right now...
that's why thinking to lay REIT as foundation 1st..since it's lower risk...
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What is your goal and how long are you looking at in terms of investment? REIT is slightly lower risk, but there are still risks nonetheless smile.gif .. Do think of diversifying it smile.gif
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post Oct 24 2011, 05:15 PM

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I think it is inflated as well, especially in that area where they are competing with the likes of Starhill, Lot 10 and couple of other malls around.

Majority of their tenants seem to depend on consumers with high disposable incomes and I frankly haven't been impressed the few times I've been there.

The only advantage I see for the IPO now is that at 88sen, it can still rise to 90-95 sen which you can sell for a quick profit. For dividend yield wise, I feel that other REITs have far more potential or already have proven to be able to provide better yields.
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post Oct 24 2011, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 24 2011, 06:13 PM)
hi...in terms of goal, i really have no idea....(please dun bash me  blush.gif , but even if u do, i will take it as an advice from senior)

since this will be my 1st time playing this, i guess aiming for REIT is much better than going for those more fluctuating shares... in terms of diversify, yes...i will do that...just that instead of waiting till i have big chink of money and start and play diff share and diversify....i tot of building the foundation with limited money, hence not being able to diversify...so REIT should be the 1st i foray on  smile.gif
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We are all learning here so no bash bash all smile.gif

Having a goal is important, but not a need when it comes in planning your financial. This allows you to focus on what you want to do and how long do you have to do it. Take for example, if my aim is to own my own house, my portfolio would have to be more aggressive than another whose aim is to ensure a good retirement fund.

He would go for things like long term bonds, high dividend yields stocks, REITs and mutual funds to generate the returns needed to get his goal. Menwhile, I will disregard funds, opt for aggressive growth stocks, junk bond or short term bonds, risker funds and look into day trading.

Our portfolio would also be different, I would have a smaller high dividend yield stocks as I will be concentrating on day trade and aggressive growth stocks to generate immediate income the moment they naik harga, but the other dude would ignore all those and just count the dividends he get every year.

So it is ok if you don't have a specific goal, but as you can see, if helps in determining the risk you are willing to take, the risk you need to take and the portfolio you should aim for smile.gif

For REITs, there are a few nice ones floating around. Star reit, Tower reit and AR reit are some of the good performers in my own opinion. But those come at their own price and thus, their return now is mixed. The different REITs also focuses on different things, some concentrates in offices, some on retail and some on industrial. You might want to shortlist a few and look at what their property offers before jumping in.

For example, the PavReits looked nice until I read about their prospectus, and having been around that area and the property they included, I'm not convince it will be a top performer.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Oct 24 2011, 07:45 PM)
When SunReit came out.. No one expect it to go beyond RM1 i suppose?
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This is probably the immediate value I see in PavReit, is that it will rise beyond the 88sen, thus negating any perceived 'loss' in the 6% yield.
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post Nov 9 2011, 04:40 PM

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What price did you entire TWR? Seems quite hard to get in sad.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 9 2011, 04:41 PM)
RM 1.20

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Wah~!

Let me go que also then hmm.gif
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post Nov 9 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 9 2011, 04:46 PM)
You dream on lar, I bought in Sep-2011, when the whole world is still having no balls to touch equities.

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Actually I saw it back when it was at 1.19, but my fund was tied elsewhere sad.gif
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post Nov 11 2011, 02:03 PM

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Yeap, it lost CIMB as tenant, but as its nearing is year low at 0.845, I'm hoping to grab some at 0.855 or less.


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I bought 10 lot of TWR at 1.23 without me realising, lol..
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post Nov 12 2011, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Nov 12 2011, 03:42 AM)
I think 52 weeks low thing is not suitable to be applied on Reits.
I think Reits more concern on (future) yield. So for the Arreit case, we need to first find out how much rental it could be deducted from CIMB's bye bye.  hmm.gif
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It's only to see the DY la, if entry is lower, possibility of DY higher ma.. And I do believe they can recover new tenants quite fast, but perhaps the next quarter might be impacted la..
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QUOTE(tohca @ Nov 14 2011, 06:46 AM)
That's an interesting thought. Yes it surely is great if we can all chip in our thoughts on this idea. Few things that come to mind is:

1. What is your cost of borrowing? What if the cost of borrowing go up (unless you are on a fixed interest loan)?

2. Repayment of your loan would usually be monthly, while dividends are at most every 3 months, some every 6 months. So how do you plan to service the loan?

3. While the reits so far have been quite consistent on their performance (yield), risk would be if your reit don't perform to  expectation.

4. Perhaps if you spread your reits to 4 or 5 perhaps it may lessen the risk. Or perhaps to buy some Singapore reits too to balance up, but then it may not work out if you need to withdraw your dividends to service your loan due to currency exchange losses which may be quite significant.

I am also thinking about this, but not sure if this venture will pan out. So guys, please share your thoughts.
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1. You are right. It is probably the cost of borrowing. And since we are borrowing for investment, that means it is most likely a personal loan and I honestly do not think you will get a low low interest ones.

2. This. Monthly payment have to be taken into account thus one have to be able to service the loan, which means the amount that you can loan is also limited.

3. It is one thing for REITs not performing to expectations, one have to take into account what if they do not even give back enough to cover your loan + interest for profit. If you take away those and you only make say 1% profit, is it worth that risk to loan say, RM30K for make RM300?


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I thinking of going in for the IPO to sell upon listing, I do not see much upside to PAv, to be honest..

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